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LadyNTrainer -> The Naked Breakfast: Consensual kink versus abuse (6/19/2010 10:48:01 AM)

As an aside to the current debacle that is the pro dom vs lifestyle thread, I thought I'd post a relevant article.


I beat and raped my date, once. She shuddered silently with each vicious blow, like a frightened child, and the tiny drops of blood running in the heavy weals on her back were the tears that I could not make her shed. Finally I took her in my arms and gave her back the safety of being held again. She called me "Daddy", as the pent-up sobs finally began to heave out of her. I called her a whore, and shoved my hard cock down her throat when she cried.   Do I scare you? Am I an abuser? Would your perception change if you knew that I was a professional dominatrix, and the "girl" an adult transvestite client and long time friend who had scripted the session with me in careful detail?

Edgeplay is scary, and it's not for everyone. Playing with heavy, risky SM activities or intense emotional states does have the potential for causing long term damage if you're not very very careful, either physical or psychological or both. It's definitely not recommended for beginners, or people who aren't very secure in themselves and their self esteem. But like other risky sports, it has its attractions. And its dedicated players.

We value personal freedom in our society. Although you aren't allowed to take your car up to 100 miles per hour and speed recklessly along on public highways where you could hurt other people, if you seriously want to pursue a career as a stuntperson and drive through flaming hoops across the Grand Canyon, you can choose to take those risks for yourself if you want. After all, we live in the Land Of The Free, right? Maybe not. Consensual SM is still technically illegal, as there is no such thing as legally acknowledged consent to battery. Even if it happens to be your kink to be tied up and spanked by your lover, both of you could still do jail time for exercising your sexual rights in your own bedroom. Yes, the spankee, too - you can in fact be charged with aiding and abetting your own illegal battery, if some ambitious prosecutor should decide to push the matter. Usually, though, only the dominant will suffer if the case is brought to judicial attention. Tops, be warned - a vindictive, bitchy bottom can not only badmouth you to friends the morning after, but to the police. And the consequences can be very, very hairy indeed. For we leatherfolk, AIDS is not the only reason not to go into the bedroom or dungeon with someone you don't genuinely like, respect and trust.
I think most people can understand the thrill of racing motorcycles, or playing rugby, or diving with sharks. Those are risky activities, but we know that they're rewarding enough to the people who practice them to compensate for the very real dangers involved. Not everyone understands BDSM, and to some people, the idea that someone could actually enjoy an experience that they think of as horrifying and traumatic is beyond them. It's easy to project your likes and limitations onto other people, and to assume that they're true for everyone - even when this is distinctly not the case. I happen to have moderately exotic culinary preferences.

If I made somebody else eat what I consider a proper breakfast, that might be abuse. But I happen to really enjoy fermented black seaweed slime with crunchy baby octopus tentacles and raw sea snails with their little eyestalks quivering, served over hot rice with a few quail eggs and clumps of newly laid fish roe plopped over the concoction. Some raw sea urchin or lightly steamed sea slug wouldn't hurt either if the budget allows. Damn, now I'm all hungry.
My point is that there are many folks who would stare in deepest horror at my breakfast and think it belongs in a cage at Marineland, firmly believing that no one could possibly voluntarily put something like this in their mouths. It would be *abuse* if anybody had to eat it! Yuck! Gross! Sick! Gut level reaction of sheer revulsion! It's unnatural and wrong for anybody to *want* to choke down that horrible gunk, so it's got to be abuse, or self-abuse, or the maybe just unhealthy belief that you don't deserve anything better than this awful stuff that makes you think you want it. Got news for all you cuisine-impaired gaijin in the audience. Sushi is the breakfast of champions. The recipe I just mentioned has been served to Emperors of Japan, and quite successfully, since long before America was a disgruntled gleam in some Puritan's eyeball.

It's a very normal human reaction to look at something alien to your cultural upbringing and decide that since you don't want any of it, nobody else could possibly want any of it either, and anybody that does want something you think is disgusting must be wrong or sick. But which one of you is the cultural barbarian, really?

Anyhow, I don't mind if other people don't like my breakfast; that just leaves more for me. I'll even eat my breakfast in decent privacy, so nobody has to watch me enjoying it if they don't want to. I do mind if people follow me into my house and tell me I shouldn't eat my breakfast, or tell me that whoever bought me breakfast is committing abuse, or that I must be a pathetic abuse victim stuck in a cycle of degradation because I want to eat my breakfast.

I would prefer to enjoy my breakfast in peace, and share my table with people whose idea of a good breakfast is similar to mine. I would hope that the more conventional folks who prefer bacon and eggs have the decency to do the same thing, but some people apparently can't be happy keeping their eyes on their own plate.

Anyhow, if anybody wants to horribly, terribly abuse me by making me eat raw fish and seaweed, I'm definitely up for that scene. Beat me, flog me, make me eat sushi for breakfast. I never safeword for uni.




DesFIP -> RE: The Naked Breakfast: Consensual kink versus abuse (6/19/2010 11:04:43 AM)

No arguments. Just an aside, some of us bacon and eggs lovers are tired of reaping abusive comments from vegans.

And I'll leave the sea urchins for you but please pass the roe.




LadyHibiscus -> RE: The Naked Breakfast: Consensual kink versus abuse (6/19/2010 11:33:24 AM)

Sea urchin roe MORE FOR YOU DO NOT WANT!

Yay on the rest!!




leadership527 -> RE: The Naked Breakfast: Consensual kink versus abuse (6/19/2010 12:24:32 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyNTrainer
I would prefer to enjoy my breakfast in peace, and share my table with people whose idea of a good breakfast is similar to mine. I would hope that the more conventional folks who prefer bacon and eggs have the decency to do the same thing, but some people apparently can't be happy keeping their eyes on their own plate.
I've always found this argument terribly myopic and disingenuous. Honestly, out of you, I'd expect better. The basic facts are that as a society, we MUST determine what's allowed and what's not. Anything else is anarchy and has been shown decisively at various points in history, us humans don't like anarchy. So given that the lines must be drawn, then that means that people's various viewpoints about what is and is not detrimental to the fabric of society all need to get their air time. So yes... those folks who think that gay marriage is deleterious to the very fabric of marriage and our society and possibly even the space-time continuum have a right to their opinions and their opinions matter just as much as mine. And yes, those people who think beating your lover is heinous have a right to that opinion also. Just because you don't share someone's viewpoints doesn't make them stupid or selfish or any other thing.




LadyHibiscus -> RE: The Naked Breakfast: Consensual kink versus abuse (6/19/2010 12:31:33 PM)

I really don't think that LNT was implying that anarchy is the way, Jeff. At least I didn't get that out of it!!

And honestly? There ARE stupid, misinformed, uneducated opinions out there. There really truly are. I would never say that a person did not have the RIGHT to be as bigoted, hateful, and stupid as they wish, but I don't have to accept their views, or tolerate them in my presence.




leadership527 -> RE: The Naked Breakfast: Consensual kink versus abuse (6/19/2010 12:52:46 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus
I really don't think that LNT was implying that anarchy is the way, Jeff. At least I didn't get that out of it!!

No. What she was implying was that HER way was the way. The bottom line is that as much as I personally disagree with the moral majority, I understand that to them, the things they worry about are real and pressing. They are not going to all the trouble they do simply because they've got nothing better to than butt into my bedroom.

To think that of them... which is what I get an awful lot of here on collarme... is JUST as bigoted and hateful and stupid as they are accused of being.

For myself, I respectfully disagree with them.




crazyml -> RE: The Naked Breakfast: Consensual kink versus abuse (6/19/2010 1:13:08 PM)

Of course, you're absolutely entitled to your breakfast.

Unless you'd ordered kitten.

Then you'd have crossed my myopic cultural line.

[edit to add..]

Or baby human




dreamerdreaming -> RE: The Naked Breakfast: Consensual kink versus abuse (6/19/2010 1:18:35 PM)

What about lamb, or veal?

[8|]




crazyml -> RE: The Naked Breakfast: Consensual kink versus abuse (6/19/2010 1:25:19 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: dreamerdreaming

What about lamb, or veal?

[8|]


Oh yeah... bring that hippy-hoppy-skippy-gambolling lamb over here - Pink in the middle mind you.

Just don't tell my Mum... she'd kill me.





leadership527 -> RE: The Naked Breakfast: Consensual kink versus abuse (6/19/2010 1:30:56 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: crazyml
Of course, you're absolutely entitled to your breakfast. Unless you'd ordered kitten. Then you'd have crossed my myopic cultural line.

ROFL.. well put crazy.




Whenready -> RE: The Naked Breakfast: Consensual kink versus abuse (6/19/2010 1:51:31 PM)

I could be missing something here. I often do. The OP struck me as a red herring. If its scripted and prearranged its not rape. It may be rapePLAY but that's a whole new ballgame.




VaguelyCurious -> RE: The Naked Breakfast: Consensual kink versus abuse (6/19/2010 2:14:32 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Whenready

I could be missing something here.
Yup. You are.

quote:

I often do.
I've noticed.

quote:

The OP struck me as a red herring. If its scripted and prearranged its not rape. It may be rapePLAY but that's a whole new ballgame.
That's the point-people on the outside supposedly can't see the difference between rape and rape-play; the article implies they condemn the two as being the same. Way to miss the point...




LadyPact -> RE: The Naked Breakfast: Consensual kink versus abuse (6/19/2010 2:17:39 PM)

LNT, I was right there with you through part of the first paragraph.  You lost Me before it was even over.  Damn shame, too, as I happen to like edgier scenes.

Metaphorically, I really do think there's a difference between having your breakfast and taking up the crusade that your breakfast needs to be for everyone.  Demanding that it be on every menu of every restaurant across the land.  Even in those cases where not a soul will ever purchase the meal, unless you happen to show up to order it.  To take it a step farther, every customer coming in those restaurants should have to have a mandatory taste of your breakfast, just because you want to wave the flag of just how good it is, even though your breakfast on their palate makes them sick.  Be damned that they might have tastes of their own!

It's no better than going the opposite direction of your kink is not My kink.  I'm fine with your kink is not My kink, but your kink is ok.  When you start with My kink is not your kink, but you have to swallow everything I feed you is when your breakfast doesn't look good on My plate anymore.




Whiplashsmile4 -> RE: The Naked Breakfast: Consensual kink versus abuse (6/19/2010 2:18:43 PM)

may you eat breakfast in plentiful peace. :-)




IronBear -> RE: The Naked Breakfast: Consensual kink versus abuse (6/19/2010 4:04:15 PM)

Those around me are welcome to eat what they desire as long bas they allow me to eat my choice of food in peace too. I have been known to have culinary wars with friends including one who owns a Michelin Star over the cooking v under-cooking of meat, and I have been known to skewer a large piece of steak still bloody when served to me with a combat knife to stop the jolly thing from mooing. I'll happily cook you your choice of meats to your liking and then cook mine till there is no redness. (Mine just takes a lot longer cooking at a low temp to get it well cooked and tender).  Just as if I take you fishing and we latch onto a couple of tuna (blue fin or yellow fin) I will claim the first half of the fillet on the boat fine sliced, raw. If you need to feed the fishes you do it out of my sight and preferable hearing. After the Bear has fed, I'll clean, fillet and cook you a meal fit for a king using local produce.

Has this anything to do with the thread? I'm buggered if I know but the discussion of food caught my attention ....




Ozzfan1317 -> RE: The Naked Breakfast: Consensual kink versus abuse (6/19/2010 4:16:28 PM)

I respect everyones taste buds but I prefer medium well steak over Seaweed and my girl likes abusive play but i honestly care about her and we know the limits of what turns us on. I can understand someone not understanding our preferences however my grandfathers treatment of my grandmother was real abuse when its not scripted and for your mates satisfaction as well I understand the disgust just don't get why some can't respect a persons right to want to be sexually adventerous.




domiguy -> RE: The Naked Breakfast: Consensual kink versus abuse (6/19/2010 4:18:42 PM)

Thought it was incredibly long winded with little pay off.

Why are people horrified of sushi? Who would consider it abuse?

You make absurd leaps with your analogies.

Are you attempting to suggest because people don't like sushi due to hyper sensitive taste buds that it some how equates to an unfair revulsion towards sex workers?


Do anyone of you go outside and have live conversations with real people? You know, good friends that will call you on your bullshit?


Honest to Pete, (ya gotta love a little biblical homage) Very few of you would make it in my group. You are called on the carpet when you bring shit to the table.

Very few of you would survive.




dreamerdreaming -> RE: The Naked Breakfast: Consensual kink versus abuse (6/19/2010 4:30:24 PM)

LadyNTrainer: could you clarify your point, please?




LadyNTrainer -> RE: The Naked Breakfast: Consensual kink versus abuse (6/19/2010 5:01:51 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: dreamerdreaming

LadyNTrainer: could you clarify your point, please?


Sometimes consenting adults like to enjoy things that are fun for them and don't hurt anybody, but that other people freak out over and decide are sick or morally wrong, because they think those things are disgusting.

I generally think it's smarter to accept that different people like different things, and that we have a pretty diverse BDSM community. Your personal preferences do not a universal moral compass make.




sweetsub1957 -> RE: The Naked Breakfast: Consensual kink versus abuse (6/19/2010 5:08:19 PM)

~FR~
i may be wrong, but i think what She was saying was what She does in private w/ a consenting partner is no one else's business and it's bogus that She (and maybe Her partner) should have to pay legally for it just because it's not someone else's cup of tea. i agree w/ that sentiment if that's where She was going w/ it, even though i don't necessarilly like S&M or such exotic food.

~sweetsub~




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