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The Shallows--the Internet and the Brain - 6/2/2010 1:57:49 PM   
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'The Shallows': This Is Your Brain Online
from NPR's All Things Considered

Try reading a book while doing a crossword puzzle, and that, says author Nicholas Carr, is what you're doing every time you use the Internet.

Carr is the author of the Atlantic article Is Google Making Us Stupid? which he has expanded into a book: The Shallows: What the Internet Is Doing to Our Brains.

Carr believes that the Internet is a medium based on interruption — and it's changing the way people read and process information. We've come to associate the acquisition of wisdom with deep reading and solitary concentration, and he says there's not much of that to be found online.

Chronic Distraction

Carr started researching for The Shallows after he noticed a change in his own ability to concentrate.

"I'd sit down with a book, or a long article," he tells NPR's Robert Siegel, "and after a couple of pages my brain wanted to do what it does when I'm online: check e-mail, click on links, do some Googling, hop from page to page."

This chronic state of distraction "follows us" Carr argues, long after we shut down our computers.

"Neuroscientists and psychologists have discovered that, even as adults, our brains are very plastic," Carr explains. "They're very malleable, they adapt at the cellular level to whatever we happen to be doing. And so the more time we spend surfing, and skimming, and scanning ... the more adept we become at that mode of thinking."

Would You Process This Information Better On Paper?

The book cites many studies that indicate that online reading yields lower comprehension than reading from a printed page. Then again, reading online is a relatively recent phenomenon, and a generation of readers who grow up consuming everything on the screen may simply be more adept at online reading than people who were forced to switch from print.

Still, Carr argues that even if people get better at hopping from page to page, they will still be losing their abilities to employ a "slower, more contemplative mode of thought." He says research shows that as people get better at multi-tasking, they "become less creative in their thinking."

The idea that the brain is a kind of zero sum game — that the ability to read incoming text messages is somehow diminishing our ability to read Moby Dick — is not altogether self-evident. Why can't the mind simply become better at a whole variety of intellectual tasks?

Carr says it really has to do with practice. The reality — especially for young people — is that online time is "crowding out" the time that might otherwise be spent in prolonged, focused concentration.

"We're seeing this medium, the medium of the web, in effect replace the time that we used to spend in different modes of thinking," Carr says.

Nicholas Carr is also the author of The Big Switch: Rewiring the World, from Edison to Google and Does IT Matter? He blogs at Rough Type.

The Natural State Of Things?

Carr admits he's something of a fatalist when it comes to technology. He views the advent of the Internet as "not just technological progress but a form of human regress."

Human ancestors had to stay alert and shift their attention all the time; cavemen who got too wrapped up in their cave paintings just didn't survive. Carr acknowledges that prolonged, solitary thought is not the natural human state, but rather "an aberration in the great sweep of intellectual history that really just emerged with [the] technology of the printed page."

The Internet, Carr laments, simply returns us to our "natural state of distractedness."
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RE: The Shallows--the Internet and the Brain - 6/2/2010 2:19:25 PM   
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I totally agree with the author of this article and I really think that Internet is too much of a distraction and can really make us stupid.
However, I also think that it is very good because it is the most democratic medium for sharing information and knowledge, it can destroy many barriers between different groups of people, and this can endanger totalitarian governments, which is a good thing.
People have the right to know, and the Internet allows people to know, however, sometimes the information on the Internet is inaccurate, superficial or just totally false.
So, the Internet is a very good thing, but use it with caution and in moderation.
(advice that I sometimes find hard to follow myself)


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RE: The Shallows--the Internet and the Brain - 6/2/2010 2:34:55 PM   
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I cant read anything more than three pages deep online, drives my eyes and my head ratty rapidly, so I have to read books or print hard copies out. I loves my books.
Interesting subject tho, I spend an hour a day surfing and getting hyper distracted, if I find something I need to do further "investigation" on, I write it down and click it off my list of things to do
distraction yes definitely if my google is on, or skype, but the surfing and distraction is getting better.
Working online is fraught with distractions :)
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on the other hand, I have built up my book supply to double what it was three years ago


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RE: The Shallows--the Internet and the Brain - 6/2/2010 2:42:57 PM   
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I agree. I read at least 50 books a year. I can't read 6 paragraphs online. I need to print it.

I checked out a kindle?...... blow me, I want a BOOK.

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RE: The Shallows--the Internet and the Brain - 6/2/2010 2:57:51 PM   
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I tho love the nice ADHD pills that come with being distracted.

Welcome to 2010.

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RE: The Shallows--the Internet and the Brain - 6/2/2010 3:09:37 PM   
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quote:

I cant read anything more than three pages deep online, drives my eyes and my head ratty rapidly, so I have to read books or print hard copies out.


Me too. If it's anything I want to study seriously, I print it.

It's also more conducive to marking it up.

Books rule.

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RE: The Shallows--the Internet and the Brain - 6/2/2010 3:25:26 PM   
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I don't know.  If I had to guess, I'd say that if the theory is true, then it must really depend upon the person. 

I can easily get sucked into the internet if I have the time, but I work online and am very used to dealing with distractions.  I have, however, been distressed that it seems harder for me to sit and read a book.  I don't know if that is because of my online exposure or because life in general is just distracting to me.  It seems the only way I can read a book anymore is if I do so at bedtime.  Usually by then I'm lucky if I can manage one chapter before I can't keep my eyes open any longer.

Firm, on the other hand, spends just as much time online as I do, yet he is a voracious reader.

Seriously voracious. 

If I had to guess on the number of books we've purchased and that he has devoured in the past six months alone, conservatively I'd have to say at least 130.  I know we've spend well over $1500 on just books... we make a Borders or Books A Million run at least once a month and never leave without 20 new books.   Then there's Amazon.com; Firm hears about a book he wants and I'll order it, typically along with three or four others that are on our "to buy" list.  I ordered probably 30 books for Firm for his birthday in February.  It was the gift that kept on giving as it was a month before they were all delivered. 

And that isn't even counting what he's read on the E-reader that I got him for Christmas.  There's no way to tell for sure how much he's read on it as we've literally hundreds of thousands of books in our digital library so there's no need to purchase.

Thing is, he is just as apt to spend hours reading on the web.  It doesn't appear to have affected his ability to read a book and concentrate at all.

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RE: The Shallows--the Internet and the Brain - 6/2/2010 4:53:13 PM   
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The internet seems more like tv than like a book. And we're accustomed to moving about, doing other things when commercials come on.

But if when you get offline you can still concentrate, then I wouldn't worry. Anymore than I would worry if you tend to switch channels on tv but can read a book other times.


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RE: The Shallows--the Internet and the Brain - 6/2/2010 7:46:52 PM   
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I do all my serious reading in print.

My wife is now in law school, and I was amazed how for LEGAL RESEARCH she never had to go to the library. Recently when I was doing case research, looking at federal indexes, pulling books off the shelf and photocopying them -- I did notice I was the only one doing this -- and the only person with about eight (8) books on his desk.

Everyone else is doing this on the internet; cases for them are PDF files.

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RE: The Shallows--the Internet and the Brain - 6/2/2010 8:18:46 PM   
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 agree its hard to read too much online, when I was studying for my computer certifications I discovered pages and pages of information online...I printed it all out...reams of the stuff. Much easier to digest that way (I also could take it with me whever I went...sitting at the local kiddie pool studying some esoteric networking protocol or other...good times


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RE: The Shallows--the Internet and the Brain - 6/3/2010 5:43:29 AM   
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Ill take this abit further=  with carpal tunnel- it is hard for me to write.  So typing is easier.

When I read a book- I often write in it.

This riddle tho goes beyond the computer- radios- tv, cell, any electronics -  one day the human will come with a plug and we will plug into the wall. 

unless we are wireless via RFID.  




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RE: The Shallows--the Internet and the Brain - 6/3/2010 5:59:14 AM   
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This is Ironic because the other week, I was telling somebody that I thought the internet itself promotes or stimulates ADD. It's full of distractions.

Personally, I'm not able to read and comprehend e-Books very well. I've discovered that Videos seem to work well for me on the computer though.

If there is something online that I really want to read, I print it out and go to another part of the house and read it. Putting distance between me and the PC.

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