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RE: Origins of some of the terms used in BDSM - 5/29/2010 4:37:25 PM

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I hear there or some real lifers out there who say the word Domme, should not be a word at all, after all we don't have sub and subbley or subbor

but it funny you should ask some how I all ways thought and I most likely wrong that Domme = Mommy just a radome thing I came up with

I've heard Domme pronounced as Dough-may and not your suggested Dom-me. Adds to that French idea, doesn't it?

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RE: Origins of some of the terms used in BDSM - 5/29/2010 9:03:07 PM

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If you enjoy this sort of stuff you should find copies of taschen press reprints of Bizarre and there was another magazine they did a reprint of. They were fetish magazines from the 1940s and '50s. Lots of cool imagery and you might find an early reference in them.

Très cool! Do you know (or anyone else) where I might acquire these?

I have a few books on vintage erotica already. I personally find the classic style so much more seductive than today's latex dolls.

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Yeah, I found a boxed set of each, Exotique is the other one, in a bookstore in Burbank today, I will send you the info offline.

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RE: Origins of some of the terms used in BDSM - 5/30/2010 9:16:40 AM

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I've heard Domme pronounced as Dough-may and not your suggested Dom-me. Adds to that French idea, doesn't it?

Oh good gosh. Like nails on a chalkboard when I hear Dough-may. Wrong! Wrong! Wrong! There is no acute accent on the E, therefore no reason to use an AY sound. Domme is pronounced the exact same way as Dom. In all French words with an E for the feminine version, the E is silent and pronounced just like the masculine version.

Taking my earlier examples, ingénieur and ingénieure are pronounced the same way, as are professeur and professeure.

The only exception is when the last consonant is silent in the masculine version, then the final consonant is pronounced. So avocat would be pronounced ah-voh-ka (silent T) and avocate would be pronounced ah-voh-kat (pronouncing the T but not the E).

And Lance, if you were a submissive man, I'd have a lot of fun giving you a French lesson ;-)

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RE: Origins of some of the terms used in BDSM - 5/30/2010 9:17:52 AM

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Yeah, I found a boxed set of each, Exotique is the other one, in a bookstore in Burbank today, I will send you the info offline.

I really do appreciate that Michael :-)

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RE: Origins of some of the terms used in BDSM - 5/31/2010 10:20:50 AM

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Yeah, I found a boxed set of each, Exotique is the other one, in a bookstore in Burbank today, I will send you the info offline.

I really do appreciate that Michael :-)

- LA

My go to source for books tends to be www.abe.com and there are cheaper copies there, just search for those two titles and add in Taschen in the advanced search section under publisher.

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RE: Origins of some of the terms used in BDSM - 5/31/2010 3:14:29 PM

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LadyAngelika

If you enjoy this sort of stuff you should find copies of taschen press reprints of Bizarre and there was another magazine they did a reprint of. They were fetish magazines from the 1940s and '50s. Lots of cool imagery and you might find an early reference in them.

Très cool! Do you know (or anyone else) where I might acquire these?

I have a few books on vintage erotica already. I personally find the classic style so much more seductive than today's latex dolls.- LA

My Master got His copy Volume 1-26 through Barnes & Nobel website.

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RE: Origins of some of the terms used in BDSM - 5/31/2010 4:00:10 PM

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Thank you very much to both of you. I'll look into it!

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RE: Origins of some of the terms used in BDSM - 5/31/2010 8:39:44 PM

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The creation of "new words" was common back then, as was the beginning use of the smiley. Saying "Domme" came on board another way to me seems silly, since it spread quickly as soon as the AOL people came on board. I don't think anyone can prove anything, but those of us posting on Usenet often remember just a few signature moments: the AOL thing, the WebTv thing, and the evolution of the word Domme.

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I hate to disappoint you but Domme was not created by the interenet nor the Usenet groups. If you were in the scene in the 80's you should have heard the term, at least on the Mid-west and East Coast of the USA.

Now for the proof. Go to Amazon and do a search for the word "Domme". And you will find references back to the 60's. But here is one easy one to look up. Noverber issue of Penthouse 1983.

Penthouse Variations November 1983 (EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW WITH DOMME MONIQUE VON CLEEF- BIZARRE EROTIC COSTUMES- KIDNAPPED! A FANTASY) (Paperback)
~ PENTHOUSE MAGAZINE (Author)

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RE: Origins of some of the terms used in BDSM - 5/31/2010 8:42:55 PM

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Here is the cover with the word "Domme" right there from 1983:

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RE: Origins of some of the terms used in BDSM - 6/1/2010 3:05:54 PM

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Here is the cover with the word "Domme" right there from 1983:

Very cool mummyman321 - thank you for contributing so much to this thread! :-)

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RE: Origins of some of the terms used in BDSM - 6/5/2010 7:35:31 PM

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I've heard Domme pronounced as Dough-may and not your suggested Dom-me. Adds to that French idea, doesn't it?

Oh good gosh. Like nails on a chalkboard when I hear Dough-may. Wrong! Wrong! Wrong! There is no acute accent on the E, therefore no reason to use an AY sound. Domme is pronounced the exact same way as Dom. In all French words with an E for the feminine version, the E is silent and pronounced just like the masculine version.

I was taught to lightly pronounce the E at the end of such a word; for example, DOM-euh. Very, very lightly, though.

Mind, French is only my second language. My early childhood was as an Anglo boy in part of what is now Gatineau, then some time in the Arctic (where I picked up an outrageous Gaspe accent from my high school French teacher), then some university French at U.Saskatchewan (from a teacher for whom French was his second language; his first language was Breton!). So what I was taught may be a particular variation that isn't universal.

And for an example, I would've used "chat"=cat. To refer to a female cat specifically, the word becomes "chatte", which I at least would pronounce SHA-teuh in French. It shows the doubling of the consonant, much as how "Dom" became "Domme". (But in English conversation, I would NEVER pronounce the final E the way I might in French.)

(And besides, "chatte" also has the same second sexual meaning as "pussy" does in English, which I find so amusing.)

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And Lance, if you were a submissive man, I'd have a lot of fun giving you a French lesson ;-)

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Oooh, that sounds awfully tempting! Shame it's been so long since I've been to Montreal! And my education in French words and idioms related to sex, BDSM, etc. is sorely, sorely lacking.

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