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Marini -> RE: Global Economy = Global Recession/Depression? (5/23/2010 7:45:57 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Not much of a global depression. The U.S. isn't even involved--steady growth for the last three quarters.

What IS going on is poor economic policy vs. artificial supports for three EU countries.

Not a global depression. Not even close.


In my OP, I stated if anyone thought there was a "global recession/depression" COMING.
In my OP, I stated........months/years.


Coming and future means down the road, not today, not tomorrow, it means FUTURE.
We will put you down as one that does not feel that will happen!
Only time and the future, will tell.






servantforuse -> RE: Global Economy = Global Recession/Depression? (5/23/2010 7:47:21 PM)

Of course there are millions of buyers. Thats what makes the dow go up. The problem right now is there are more sellers than buyers. That is why the market is going down. Brokers will always say it's a buyers market. I'm not buying now. This market is going no where until companies start to hire again. That isn't happening.




Musicmystery -> RE: Global Economy = Global Recession/Depression? (5/23/2010 7:51:35 PM)

Meanwhile, GDP is strong, so companies are certainly producing.

So you sit out. The rest of us will buy.




Musicmystery -> RE: Global Economy = Global Recession/Depression? (5/23/2010 7:55:16 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Marini
quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Not much of a global depression. The U.S. isn't even involved--steady growth for the last three quarters.

What IS going on is poor economic policy vs. artificial supports for three EU countries.

Not a global depression. Not even close.


In my OP, I stated if anyone thought there was a "global recession/depression" COMING.
In my OP, I stated........months/years.


Coming and future means down the road, not today, not tomorrow, it means FUTURE.
We will put you down as one that does not feel that will happen!
Only time and the future, will tell.




Mia,

An economy is the allocation of resources. Globally, those resources don't simply vanish.

People will always have needs and wants. Other people will supply them. That's an economy. It may change, but it will always exist in some form.




servantforuse -> RE: Global Economy = Global Recession/Depression? (5/23/2010 7:55:48 PM)

If you bought last week, you just lost 10% of that. I'm not selling a thing. I'm just not buying.




Musicmystery -> RE: Global Economy = Global Recession/Depression? (5/23/2010 8:00:18 PM)

Only if you're trading, buying and selling every day/week. You have to sell to lose.

I always buy. There's an opportunity cost to sitting on the cash. And I buy long term investments based on strong fundamentals.

Hell, if you owned a share of the corner market, a good business, and the real estate values dropped one week or sales slowed, would you sell?

Point is, while some are wringing their hands and deciding whom to blame, plenty of businesses and investors are prospering.




Marini -> RE: Global Economy = Global Recession/Depression? (5/23/2010 9:48:32 PM)

Front page, Washington Post, Monday morning edition.

One false move in Europe could set off global chain reaction

Hang on to your hats, it looks like it is going to be a bumpy ride, folks.
global economy=global depression, it's really not far fetched at all.




Musicmystery -> RE: Global Economy = Global Recession/Depression? (5/24/2010 6:52:39 AM)

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Hang on to your hats, it looks like it is going to be a bumpy ride, folks.
global economy=global depression, it's really not far fetched at all.


Yes, it is far fetched. Nor will it be such a bumpy ride. Read the article.

First, it's talking about psychology, not economic fundamentals, and about an overreaction to a few small events due to the credit crunch from which we're emerging. And its feared consequence is a stock sell-off, which also has nothing to do with economic fundamentals. Even that is speculative.

"The risk of a worst-case scenario is still considered remote. European countries have pledged hundreds of billions of dollars to aid indebted neighbors that run into trouble, and they say they are committed to fixing the continent's larger economic problems. The euro and U.S. markets were both higher Friday after the German Parliament approved a key piece of that support program. A renewed effort by the U.S. Federal Reserve to ensure that European banks have adequate access to dollars has generated little demand -- a sign that a feared shortage of cash is not in the offing.

"U.S. banks are not heavily exposed to the weaker European countries, Fed governor Daniel K. Tarullo said in testimony on Capitol Hill last week. Banks are in better shape overall, after fresh infusions of capital. Meanwhile, the U.S. economic recovery has been strengthening through the year, with jobs added in five of the last six months, and recent consumer spending and industrial output stronger than most forecasts."


It's people like you, scared over imagined scenarios, not anything economic. So others take advantage of your panic.

"There are some positive impacts in all this for the United States.

"For one, uncertainty about European government debt has driven global investors toward U.S. government bonds, which in turn is pushing down long-term interest rates. The 10-year Treasury bond had a rate of 3.2 percent Friday compared with nearly 4 percent last month. Those lower rates should flow through to private borrowing, helping Americans getting mortgages or businesses looking to grow.

"The European panic is also lowering the price of oil and other commodities on global markets, potentially making it cheaper for Americans to fuel their cars and heat their homes. A barrel of oil went for about $70 on Friday, down from almost $87 on April 6.

"A final positive for the U.S. economy is that the stronger dollar will help keep inflation in check by reducing the cost of imports. That, combined with renewed worry about the strength of the recovery, is likely to give the Fed some leeway to delay raising interest rates above their current extremely low levels longer than it would have otherwise.

"The most precise comparison is to the East Asian financial crisis that enveloped Thailand, Indonesia, South Korea and other nations in 1997 and 1998. There were widespread fears that the crisis would damage the U.S. economy, including through a financial contagion effect. The Fed even cut interest rates in the fall of 1998 to try to forestall a weakening in U.S. growth.

"But there was little obvious impact on the U.S. economy, which grew 4.5 percent in 1997, 4.4 percent in 1998, and 4.8 percent in 1999."


Can there be global recessions? Sure--happens to economies regularly. But again, resources, needs, wants, and opportunities don't vanish. Good times and bad, there are always markets.

If you need a lesson from this, remember to save during better times, and then down times will be simple.

Now, if we DIDN'T have a global economy, we'd already be in a national depression, as a significant chunk of GDP is exports, and higher prices without imports would constrain demand domestically--as well as jobs.





Marini -> RE: Global Economy = Global Recession/Depression? (5/24/2010 3:09:55 PM)

I still think that a recession/Depression here and across the pond is still very possible,
in this "global economy".

I am not getting emotional because everyone has "theories", people had all types of "theories" during the 30's.


I am certainly not seeing things the way you are, I don't care if you type out 20 pages of theories.
At the end of the day, all I have to say is time will tell, matey.

I still say, hang on to your hats, the ride is going to be bumpy as hell.




Musicmystery -> RE: Global Economy = Global Recession/Depression? (5/24/2010 3:19:30 PM)

Well, if facts are irrelevant, and only your feelings count, then anything at all is possible.

Maybe the fairies will come and sprinkle magic dust.




pahunkboy -> RE: Global Economy = Global Recession/Depression? (5/24/2010 3:21:32 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Well, if facts are irrelevant, and only your feelings count, then anything at all is possible.

Maybe the fairies will come and sprinkle magic dust.



Yeah Mia.

It isnt real until it is on CBS.




Musicmystery -> RE: Global Economy = Global Recession/Depression? (5/24/2010 3:25:39 PM)

Hey pahb,

You're the one panting over voices on TV.

I don't even own one.




Marini -> RE: Global Economy = Global Recession/Depression? (5/24/2010 3:28:21 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Well, if facts are irrelevant, and only your feelings count, then anything at all is possible.

Maybe the fairies will come and sprinkle magic dust.


Anyone can always find "facts" to back up whatever they want to say.
Please man, take off your rainbow shades, you are the one in fantasy land.
Most Americans and many Europeans {read LadyE's posts} can see and damn well realize that we are not doing well at all.

But in musicmysteryland everything is groovy. 
No problems, no worries, don't worry be happy, every little thing, gonna be all right, musicmystery the great and powerful online soothsayer, said so.




Musicmystery -> RE: Global Economy = Global Recession/Depression? (5/24/2010 3:31:26 PM)

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Anyone can always find "facts" to back up whatever they want to say.

Those facts came from your link. You tell me...if you didn't like them, why did you post the link as evidence of your point?


quote:

But in musicmysteryland everything is groovy.
No problems, no worries, don't worry be happy, every little thing, gonna be all right, musicmystery the great and powerful online soothsayer, said so.


Bullshit. We're talking established economics and observable points vs. your feelings.

Color that anyway you wish, but the imagined parts are yours.






Marini -> RE: Global Economy = Global Recession/Depression? (5/24/2010 3:41:01 PM)

Oh, I read the article.
I could paste this if I wanted to:
 
One false move in Europe could set off global chain reaction

From the above Washington Post newspaper article: 
But the knife-edge psychology currently governing global markets has put the future of the U.S. economic recovery in the hands of politicians in an assortment of European capitals. If one or more fail to make the expected progress on cutting budgets, restructuring economies or boosting growth, it could drain confidence in a broad and unsettling way. Credit markets worldwide could lock up and throw the global economy back into recession.
 
from the article also.

I will continue to maintain my point of view, and you oh great and power all knowing the financial future of the global economy soothsayer, will surely maintain your opinion.

I will continue to watch what is really happening in the U.S.A., in Europe and the rest of the world.

Happy trails!




pahunkboy -> RE: Global Economy = Global Recession/Depression? (5/24/2010 3:47:49 PM)

MM- everyone is crazy but YOU?


How IS THAT even possible?

Should we bow in your presence?




Musicmystery -> RE: Global Economy = Global Recession/Depression? (5/24/2010 3:52:20 PM)

You both are making stuff up.

I'm posting verifiable facts. If you don't like reality, take it up with reality.




pahunkboy -> RE: Global Economy = Global Recession/Depression? (5/24/2010 3:55:36 PM)

Facts?


Oh that is a HOOT!   LOL




Musicmystery -> RE: Global Economy = Global Recession/Depression? (5/24/2010 3:59:45 PM)

So then refute them instead of ridicule.

Of course, first you'll need evidence instead of attitude.

The world doesn't revolve around you.




pahunkboy -> RE: Global Economy = Global Recession/Depression? (5/24/2010 4:06:28 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

So then refute them instead of ridicule.

Of course, first you'll need evidence instead of attitude.

The world doesn't revolve around you.


gold/silver.

There.   I said it.

Everyone knows I stack.

If you don't fine.  But don't wreck others lives just become Keyens is your hero.




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