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RE: The Facebook Effect. - 5/17/2010 5:39:01 PM   
slaveluci


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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

I adore Facebook. My family is able to keep in touch with one another far better than we ever did before. We can share photos, stories, and laughs.

Exactly and there in lies the value to me. It's easy for me to see how wonderful it is to stay in touch with family and friends via such a site. When I get a new pet or a new bicycle or we take a trip, I post the pix and my friends and family feel like they're sharing these experiences with me even though we're many states and miles apart. Who can't find the value in that? If you're scared about privacy, don't put things up there you wish to remain private. Pretty simple to me............luci

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RE: The Facebook Effect. - 5/17/2010 5:43:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		Remember in years ago when there were Party Lines ? and often people used them to gossip and keep in touch and entertainment ( when they listened in ) Everyone knew everyones business...Now there is Facbook.... We've come a long way baby!

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RE: The Facebook Effect. - 5/17/2010 5:48:08 PM   
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ORIGINAL: OrpheusAgonistes

Your response was articulate and thoughtful, but we seem to be at sixes and sevens.  My interest is in a particular statement Zuckerman made.  Verbatim, The days of you having a different image for your work friends or co-workers and for the other people you know are probably coming to an end pretty quickly.


When I first got my Facebook account back in 2007, I was only going to invite my friends. I signed on with a personal email and made my profile hidden so clients could not find me. But through other people and friend suggestions, a few did.

Today, I don't put anything on Facebook that I wouldn't want a client to see. I guess I have a good public/private life balance. I let myself be a little goofy at times, but I keep things pretty simple. Also, I depend on social media to run one of my side projects so having a Facebook account, a Twitter account and a blog as well as a few other tools has become essential for this.

At the moment, I have 2 groups of friends on FB, the tightly knit group and everyone else and I have different filter contents mainly because I don't think everyone else cares about the music I listen to or the films I see or my kitty's catbook.

- LA


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RE: The Facebook Effect. - 5/17/2010 6:05:39 PM   
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Today, I don't put anything on Facebook that I wouldn't want a client to see. I guess I have a good public/private life balance. I let myself be a little goofy at times, but I keep things pretty simple. Also, I depend on social media to run one of my side projects so having a Facebook account, a Twitter account and a blog as well as a few other tools has become essential for this.

At the moment, I have 2 groups of friends on FB, the tightly knit group and everyone else and I have different filter contents mainly because I don't think everyone else cares about the music I listen to or the films I see or my kitty's catbook.


Yeah, your response (along with a couple of responses from other smart posters) makes me wonder if my initial visceral distaste at Zuckerman's comments was a bit histrionic.  Although I still find the sentiment he expresses unappealing, the consensus seems to be (from people who are already involved in social networking and who are savvy about it) that as a practical matter it's always going to be possible to control one's professional image.

At this point I guess I'm inclined to reserve judgment on the issue  (at least until I get a chance to actually read the book in which Zuckerman is being quoted rather than just some thoughtful secondhand critiques), although I am more disinclined than ever to set up an account myself.  Doubtless there will be great weeping and gnashing of teeth at Facebook HQ about this news.


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RE: The Facebook Effect. - 5/17/2010 6:28:38 PM   
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ORIGINAL: OrpheusAgonistes

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Today, I don't put anything on Facebook that I wouldn't want a client to see. I guess I have a good public/private life balance. I let myself be a little goofy at times, but I keep things pretty simple. Also, I depend on social media to run one of my side projects so having a Facebook account, a Twitter account and a blog as well as a few other tools has become essential for this.

At the moment, I have 2 groups of friends on FB, the tightly knit group and everyone else and I have different filter contents mainly because I don't think everyone else cares about the music I listen to or the films I see or my kitty's catbook.


Yeah, your response (along with a couple of responses from other smart posters) makes me wonder if my initial visceral distaste at Zuckerman's comments was a bit histrionic.  Although I still find the sentiment he expresses unappealing, the consensus seems to be (from people who are already involved in social networking and who are savvy about it) that as a practical matter it's always going to be possible to control one's professional image. I left my relationship status, what I'm seeking, my political and religious beliefs sections blank.


I've given workshops on how to market one professional image via the Web without worrying about personal identity theft. To be honest, professionally, it would be very hard to impersonate me because I am so public. But I chose what people want me to see. It has gotten to a point that I won't let people take pictures of me at private parties if I'm not sure that they won't be putting them on Facebook. That said, I do have a few goofy pics but those who know me well professionally know that I'm a big goof and that's part of the reason they like dealing with me. That said, nothing about my intimacy is stated there.

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At this point I guess I'm inclined to reserve judgment on the issue  (at least until I get a chance to actually read the book in which Zuckerman is being quoted rather than just some thoughtful secondhand critiques), although I am more disinclined than ever to set up an account myself.  Doubtless there will be great weeping and gnashing of teeth at Facebook HQ about this news.


See the thing is Facebook is trying to adapt. It gained popularity like no one's business, but then had to strive not to go the way of MySpace. Twitter has given it a run for it's money in terms of social media apps, even though they have very different uses and every day, a new social media app is launched which threatens to rival it. Even LinkedIn, the business networking social network is making major changes to it's configuration to be more like Facebook in look, feel and functionality.

So they might want you to join more than you think ;-)

- LA


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RE: The Facebook Effect. - 5/17/2010 7:00:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		I use Facebook as a general social networking site (together with Skype) as it's one place for all my contacts - family, friends, actors, contacts, and also use it for my work and my social networking.

At the moment I'm working to impose more restrictions on my actual account which when my film comes out will become more heavily restricted and I will add a new 'public' page for purely public information. However private or personal information is just that - private and personal, and I restrict that to messages and e-mails. Facebook is a more socially acceptable alternative to my other sites such as here or CCP dot com.

I know from my own personal experience that I cannot control what information is shared about me among people out on the Internet and certainly the more public the information the less concerned I am about it. I leave it to those who know me to work it out for themselves how accurate or reliable that information is. My only concern is when such information is used to hurt or attack other people and I do have a couple of 'characters' who have made such attacks over the years - which is why I'm not on MSN, Windows Live, MySpace or other networking sites.

I don't play the games or many of the applications on Facebook such as Farmville, Yoville, Mafia Wars, Pet Aquarium, Happy Aquarium for the same reasons I don't spend time on other sites such as Fetlife, IC - I just don't have the time. It's the same with the Recommended Pages, I don't have much time for them, and would much rather you sent me some trivial information from your life, such as what you had for dinner, shared a photo you took, a Youtube clip of music you're listening to, etc. Sending me some lonely little bullock that's been sent around thousands of others strikes me as silly, you sharing with me a part of your life, no matter how trivial, is never silly.

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RE: The Facebook Effect. - 5/17/2010 7:38:31 PM   
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ORIGINAL: slaveluci


quote:

ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

I adore Facebook. My family is able to keep in touch with one another far better than we ever did before. We can share photos, stories, and laughs.

Exactly and there in lies the value to me. It's easy for me to see how wonderful it is to stay in touch with family and friends via such a site. When I get a new pet or a new bicycle or we take a trip, I post the pix and my friends and family feel like they're sharing these experiences with me even though we're many states and miles apart. Who can't find the value in that? If you're scared about privacy, don't put things up there you wish to remain private. Pretty simple to me............luci


Count me in as well.  I love it.  I've been in touch with family I wouldn't otherwise be in touch with, and with friends I lost touch with during the dark years of my marriage.  We share pictures, general fun quips of what's going on, and links to cool music and restaurants.  We keep it fun and light, and it's nice to know where I can reach these folks.  This summer I'm going to Colorado to visit a friend I haven't seen in 25 years, thanks to a FB connection, and next week I'm having dinner with friends I haven't seen in over 10.

I don't share critical information and I check my settings regularly.  I'm totally comfortable with what's out there.


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RE: The Facebook Effect. - 5/17/2010 11:53:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		Agreed that Facebook is literally a total waste of time. Endless friends people don't actually know, the shallow narcissism of people naive enough to think for one second that any of that is a substitute for a real social life.
But honestly, and I am being level with you about this, especially regarding privacy, it can hardly be regarded as a privacy issue when the bulk of what people put on there could best be described as misinformation and at worst as self aggrandising bullshit. I know a hint of paranoia can be a good thing, but it's not best taken neat.
Anything written on Facebook should be taken with a pinch of salt.
Mind you, that applies to everything on the Internet.

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RE: The Facebook Effect. - 5/18/2010 2:45:09 AM   
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Greetings to you and yours! 

I think I get what you're saying, dark, and I agree that there might be a question of integrity should someone portray themselves to different groups as something they are not.  However, I don't think selective portrayal is always deceptive.  Not everyone I'm acquainted with is entitled to know everything about me.

The issue with Facebook is that it doesn't allow compartmentalization of those individuals who are in your "Friends" list, and there can be problems with people who find you and don't understand why you'd deny adding them as a friend.

A lot of people use Facebook to keep in touch with their friends... sort of like "Twitter" with just quick blurbs about what they are doing or feeling.  Some people enjoy keeping in touch with family, and some just business acquaintances.  A lot have a mixture, including people who are just friends of friends.

Understand that while I do have an account, I don't post comments like that.  But if I did, to be honest, it wouldn't be any business of the people I used to attend High School with to know that dear old Uncle Orville had a bad time with his colonoscopy yesterday.  Yet that same information might be important to family who, outside of Facebook, I might not have much contact with.

In the same vein, hypothetically speaking, it wouldn't be any business of my business acquaintances to know that I met a really cute guy last night whose deep voice made my legs turn to jelly, and I decided to go home with him.  If one of the girls I worked with was a good friend, I'd probably tell her... but my bible-thumping boss or that good client I'm hoping will recommend me to others might take that information as evidence of poor judgment and character on my part.

Note again, please... that's a hypothetical situation just to illustrate my point.  Firm still holds exclusive license to all my jelly leg reactions. 

As DesFIP said, the real solution is to not post anything personal you wouldn't want everyone to see.  Of course, that would sort of make the whole Facebook thing kinda boring and maybe even moot.

But I agree with Orpheus that it is a little disturbing for there to appear to be a push of any kind to tear down those walls of privacy.



Hi Treasure...!
Regards to your Master!

You have facebook?  Why haven't you added me? (couldn't resist!)
Maybe it's because I am picky on facebook.  I have old friends I went to school with, but not just anyone from school.  Just friends.  I have had the invites from the people who I knew at school but I wouldn't class as friends and I just dont add.  And if people do not like that I do not add, well, that is their issues, not mine.  I don't have hundreds of people, I have a small amount of people I can count on.

My best friend lives 20mins away, and I see her all the time and we still mess around on facebook.  I really do think some people take it far too seriously and maybe that is the biggest problem here - not facebook or Zukerberg - but people themselves.

I can pick and choose who sees which photographs I post.  I can limit my profile information.  My friends little boy in hospital?  Then we can think about him - my religious peeps pray.  Another friends mother passing away a couple of months ago from breat cancer?  We support her.  Naked Gardening Day -  we posted photos!   Another friend has a regular 'quiz' night - it's all funny and cool.

But I am very blunt.  If you don't participate in any way with me on facebook in any way then ya gone.  I don't add people just to have them there and make up big numbers.  Relationships come and go and life is too short not to share the love for people who are supposed to be a friend and yet who never send a message or take notice of what I might post at least once in a while.  I make the time to read someones blog or wish someone happy birthday or look at their photos and I do expect the same effort.  Friendships - any relationships - are two way and I don't get hurt or upset if someones not participating, but I don't hang around waiting either.

I don't see it as a push to tear down privacy, but an attempt to destroy pretence.  I don't personally desire pretend friends and I don't want to be popular unless it's genuine and because I am naturally great.

the.dark.



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RE: The Facebook Effect. - 5/18/2010 5:42:12 AM   
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I love facebook, I have my personal profile with over 520 friends, many from here, that I often use to stir up political debates or local issues, it is not uncommon for my threads to go well over 100 comments, which in f/b land is not common. I update and change photos constantly, I keep in touch with friends from college and family abroad, it's just fantastic to me.

I also own a business, and even though I have a great professionally done web site, my facebook business page has over 500 fans, and we have made it super interactive,  changing my updates all the time, adding contests, posting relevant information regarding the building industry, and I have received two high end jobs from contact's made from my facebook business page.  One of them we are currently doing now and it is a well known restaurant and has gotten us tons of comments and nothing but positive results. I think people are under the erroneous impression that it is like MySpace, which it is nothing at all like.

Great article from my girlfriend Shannon's business, Capture Media Associate's, re: Why all business owners should have a facebook page.

http://capturemediaassociates.com/2010/03/10-reasons-your-business-needs-a-facebook-page/


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RE: The Facebook Effect. - 5/18/2010 9:13:21 AM   
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I don't add people just to have them there and make up big numbers.  Relationships come and go and life is too short not to share the love for people who are supposed to be a friend and yet who never send a message or take notice of what I might post at least once in a while. 



This in itself speaks volumes.

I have a separate page for the film production of 'Switch' and one for my charity work. The page for the film 'Switch' fluctuates somewhere between 250 and 280 fans at the moment, though this might increase or change as I start coming out with the new trailer and selected clips and start marketing the film next month after filming is completed.

I've watched the progress of a few other separate pages for films and observed how the numbers of fans have developed.

I plan to have all film projects with separate pages on Facebook, but not one with the company as a whole - we already have a website. People have said to me how the changes in the cast have damaged the fan base, which is something I personally don't agree with. The film is not a major release, in fact it's a non-budget film, and personally I don't give a fig whether we end up with 100 fans or 100,000 fans because all the page is doing is providing some off screen presence, raising some awareness and giving useful feedback as to who the potential audience of the film is going to be.

But even then I cannot draw any definite conclusions because the main marketing strategy of the film is via different film festivals and screenings, not Facebook. I don't have any sort of delusions here, and I certainly don't lie awake at night worrying and thinking 'Oh my God! We've only got 250 fans!' The number of fans we have, like the number of friends on my own personal page, isn't really that important and certainly not as important as each and every decision taken for that person to be there.

I would rather have 500 fans who enjoyed the film than 500,000 fans who saw the film and can't remember it a month later.

Developing an audience isn't about being popular or well-known, but about being where the sort of people who enjoy your work can find you and where they can enjoy your work. 


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RE: The Facebook Effect. - 5/18/2010 10:05:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have been a little addicted to facebook recently when previously I ignored it. I just think it is a good place to tell people what you are up to and spend hours thinking up witty statements. I also use it as a way to keep up with activist groups I am interested in and spread some of the causes if I can, I was stuck to it during the election.

I am pretty picky about who is on my facebook, if I get flushed with those annoying game things then the person gets deleted, I deleted my boss a few weeks ago, he wasn't much pleased but I didn't like something he was engaging in. As for my own sense of privacy, I dont really have anything to hide from anyone, I am unbelievably bad at keeping secrets from anyone, I have been at my current job for four months and every one of the seventy staff members knows all about the type of person I am. It doesn't bother me. So I am not afraid of privacy on facebook, I have never had much of an issue about data protection the only thing that really concerns me is getting bothered, as in phone calls, emails whatever.

I think that the positives of facebook well exceed the chance of the negative.

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RE: The Facebook Effect. - 5/18/2010 10:41:50 AM   
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I think that the positives of facebook well exceed the chance of the negative.


Like finding songs that are relevant!

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RE: The Facebook Effect. - 5/18/2010 12:03:05 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LillyoftheVally
I think that the positives of facebook well exceed the chance of the negative.


Like finding songs that are relevant!

the.dark.


Totally! That made my day


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RE: The Facebook Effect. - 5/18/2010 3:02:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		Facebook is only as personal as what you decide to post.

All of my friends online are people I know in person, and most of them I text/call/see regularly. Some are family out of state, and we wouldn't communicate nearly as often without Facebook. It's an invaluable resource to keep in touch.
I do use FB as a resource to improve my writing. If it's a sensitive topic, I alter the settings on that note to make it viewable only to the people I hope to help me edit.
I won't post anything I'd be uncomfortable with my boss or my parents seeing, and anything I share on the site is done in full mind of the fact that it is a public social networking site - it was never designed to be private in the first place, it's a means of sharing information rather than hiding it.

I'm sure there are people on Facebook with horror stories about lack of privacy...and they either need to learn the privacy settings or stop posting embarrassing photos and comments that EVERYONE they add to their page can see. If someone is a gossip in person, FB is the best enabler you will find. If someone is discreet about what they don't want known, deep dark secrets are unlikely to pop up on a wall post.

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