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I've been thinking about kitty/puppy/insert animal here... - 5/13/2010 6:13:04 AM   
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Over the last couple of days, I have been thinking more and more about animmal play (puppies, kittens and all manner of variety of things people do within the umbrella of BDSM) and it has got me thinking.  Do certain D/s personality types translate into the animal you identify with either actively, or self contained?

What follows is a conversation on MSN from this morning debating the topic as a whole.  Apologies for length but MSN formatting is a swine to fix on here..

In it you will no doubt see a lot of ignorance on my part. but then I admit that and seek to learn more and change that, but I found it a fascinating subject and simply wanted to share it and see the views of others on it aswel.


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Phoenix73Sir says:
TBH I have been thinking about Animal play and wether various anaimals represent various BDSM identities. i.e. Dog = sub, Pony = slave,  Cat = Switch etc.

ManicImp says:
i think more likely represents the persons personality

Phoenix73Sir says:
yes. obviously, but when you think of the ANIMALKS traites.. it matches the generalised traites of BDSM people

ManicImp says:
i can get where you are coming from to a point
but pony - slave im lost im struggling

Phoenix73Sir says:
yeah that one doesn't always fit... but dog often does... blinfd obedience and loyalty and trust in that its owner will care for it.

ManicImp says:
isnt that then slave also?

Phoenix73Sir says:
was just something that struck me alst night and I have been mulling it over since.

ManicImp says:
yeah and now you got me at it

Phoenix73Sir says:
yeah slave can also be dog.

ManicImp says:
i think you can fit all the animals to each of the 3
depends how you look at it and at what age you put the animal
full grown cat yes can relate to a switch
but a kitten is far from a switch... and is definately more of a sub

Phoenix73Sir says:
it's an interesting concept... one i intend to have a good think about and post to the boards at some point.

ManicImp says:
perhaps worth asking what animal each person would relate to themselves
including the dominants

Phoenix73Sir says:
indeed.. most Doms I have read about who own animals seem to be tigers or wolfs... the occasional fox for good measure.

ManicImp says:
dragons
thats another one

Phoenix73Sir says:
Hmmm havent heard of one of htem TBH.
but it does makes sense.

ManicImp says:
alot of dominants relate to dragons... or atleast the ones i tend to know!

Phoenix73Sir says:
sure I like them a lot! but don't particularly relate to them... Syrox isnt a particularly good example... it's more of a name than a persona

ManicImp says:
oh i dont know
id be inclined to say he was a persona
he is definately your alter-ego type thingy! lol i know what i mean

Phoenix73Sir says:
more to cover my inexperience.
but how often have you seen Syrox outside of CM chat?

ManicImp says:
he is there most of the time just in the back ground

Phoenix73Sir says:
thats him generaly though.. never obvious, but always there.

ManicImp says:
and id imagine if/when you get more forceful it is him that is there

Phoenix73Sir says:
not always.
usualy that is mne... all he does is temper that force a bit.

ManicImp says:
thats what i meant
not him being the "bastard" ... he is there to keep everything in check and controlled

Phoenix73Sir says:
exactly.. although when war is declared he goes into full force.

ManicImp says:
only if one of his own (close friends) is threatened....

Phoenix73Sir says:
mostly

ManicImp says:
otherwise he shrugs it off

Phoenix73Sir says:
although sometimes he does simply get pissed off... not often but it can happen

ManicImp says:
Syrox is pretty easy to fathom out
ya typical dragon!

Phoenix73Sir says:
TBH he doesnt DO a whole lot... except influence.
probalm though with dragons is they are more difficult to define than dogs or cats etc... Dragons are mythical and it seems their traits vary according to who you talk to.  same as Vampires or Spirits.

ManicImp says:
true......
so then Syrox could be a family dog
that throws it all out of whack!

Phoenix73Sir says:
huh?

ManicImp says:
the traits Syrox has could also be found in a family dog

Phoenix73Sir says:
not really...

ManicImp says:
and if thats the case, the whole animal/slave thing gets thrown out of whack

Phoenix73Sir says:
it's difficult to explain the syrox experience properly TBH but he's more hands on than a dog would be, just never obviously.

ManicImp says:
understood but..
a woofer would be laid back, friendly, playful at times, loving,
but would defend his property...defend his pack... and would kill or be killed for his loved ones

Phoenix73Sir says:
Syrox though isn't laid back... he's ever alert, just very good at calming.
a warrior.

ManicImp says:
perhaps laid back in the wrong term
but not in your face
not got a confrontational manner
not aggressive in his every day life

Phoenix73Sir says:
generally no, but he can be right in your face when needed to be.

ManicImp says:
oh dont doubt that lol
im not picking on you specifically! but now i have the Dom = Dog idea
and it works lol

Phoenix73Sir says:
to me a dog is unconditionally loving.. loyal, eager to please, and caring and aa prop-up when needed..  Thats a Sub to me.
You know... we really should do these deep meaningfull BDSM related convos on the boards... it could get really interesting.

ManicImp says:
but then a dog can also be aggresive, protective, defensive,
thats a Dom
so perhaps then... subs and doms are dogs... but like us both being humans just different sorts of humans.... it  depends on the breed of dog
and also what its been trained for

Phoenix73Sir says:
but wouldnt a sub / slave also be so when it comes to defending her master? be it physically or verbaly? (thinking thew boards here and users like [Name Deleted]. (who by the way is lovely... was chatting with her a bit last night))

ManicImp says:
agreed... but for every trait a sub has a dom has a little of and vice versa

Phoenix73Sir says:
thats just people in general though

ManicImp says:
yup
so we are all *insert animal here* just different breeds of that animal
doms are perhaps rotties
subs more labrodors

ManicImp says:
subs are your average moggy

Phoenix73Sir says:
no
swithes are cats.
cats are never truly owned... they only let you think that as it suits their purposes.

ManicImp says:
but then slaves are never truely owned
its just an agreement between 2 adults
you think you own me, i let you think that
till it goes wrong then that changes

Phoenix73Sir says:
but slaves are there because they want to and then psychologically become that.
where as a switch or a cat are merely a slave who exerets their independance more. and in a different way.

ManicImp says:
subs/slaves are your average household moggy
switches are more pedigree cats.... show cats perhaps
less pet

Phoenix73Sir says:
you own a cat?

ManicImp says:
and Doms are those wretched cats that hate me and icant think of em
siamese!

Phoenix73Sir says:
samese are bloody psychos though.... and they go senile with age too.

ManicImp says:
have done yes but couldnt keep him cos [name deleted]'s asthma reacts to them

Phoenix73Sir says:
well let me tell ya... your averagge domestic moggy and your pedigree all act in the same manner... You own me coz it suits me.
coz i have no thumbs and can't use a tin opener.

ManicImp says:
then i must have had a daft cat cos fritz was a soppy ass... would sit with me constantly... always in my lap... slept with me... never went out
i got a demented cat!

Phoenix73Sir says:
typical siamese... they tend as a breed to break all of the rules and then break their own too

ManicImp says:
hate them things
and they hate me
only difference is i dont bite and scratch them!

Typically for any conversation it meandered off course, and changed tracks mid flow, but I hope it gives you an idea of where this debate was going.


and I left the typos in the MSN chat purposly. (for all you grammar nazis out there to enjoy picking over lol)

~Edited for typos.


< Message edited by Phoenix73Sir -- 5/13/2010 6:25:58 AM >


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RE: I've been thinking about kitty/puppy/inster animal ... - 5/13/2010 6:28:32 AM   
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~groans~

You could have at least corrected the spelling and generally poor typing on my part Sir!

I think this is where I am supposed to say I have no objections to You using the contents of our conversation but, that means being good and I don't do "good" very often!


Yeah yeah, ok.. I dont mind You using it!

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RE: I've been thinking about kitty/puppy/inster animal ... - 5/13/2010 8:03:23 AM   
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quote:

Do certain D/s personality types translate into the animal you identify with either actively, or self contained?


I don't know what a "Ds personality type" is but many people in Ds do affiliate with particular animalistic energies. 

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RE: I've been thinking about kitty/puppy/inster animal ... - 5/13/2010 8:29:53 AM   
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Welcome back LuckyAlbatross, i am very happy to see you around here again.

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RE: I've been thinking about kitty/puppy/inster animal ... - 5/13/2010 11:31:35 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

quote:

Do certain D/s personality types translate into the animal you identify with either actively, or self contained?


I don't know what a "Ds personality type" is but many people in Ds do affiliate with particular animalistic energies. 


Ds types simply referrs ot the general catagories. Dominant, swithc, submissive, slave and perhapse Sadists and Masochists too.


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RE: I've been thinking about kitty/puppy/inster animal ... - 5/13/2010 11:38:26 AM   
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Oh yes I can relate.... ppl have said Im hung like a horse And at times act like a Jack ass. Im noticing a trend here. To answer your question not so much.

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RE: I've been thinking about kitty/puppy/inster animal ... - 5/13/2010 1:21:20 PM   
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quote:

Ds types simply referrs ot the general catagories. Dominant, swithc, submissive, slave and perhapse Sadists and Masochists too.

But those have zero correllation to personality.

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RE: I've been thinking about kitty/puppy/inster animal ... - 5/13/2010 1:24:53 PM   
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Yeah but the op wants to believe they do. That all subs are stereotypical sweet and fluffy types who yearn to be June Cleaver. And so on. That kind of nonsense.

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RE: I've been thinking about kitty/puppy/inster animal ... - 5/13/2010 1:27:09 PM   
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No they do not... or i don't think they do.. merely the whole subject of "Do certain types tend ot identify with certain animals" was merely a theory which i am putting out there to either be proven or ripped to shreds.

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RE: I've been thinking about kitty/puppy/inster animal ... - 5/13/2010 3:54:21 PM   
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I think inserting animals is icky - and against TOS! and it will get you in trouble.

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RE: I've been thinking about kitty/puppy/insert animal ... - 5/13/2010 4:54:52 PM   
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Yes, welcome back LuckyAlbatross! You have been missed! 

Edited to add: I agree with you that there's not (necessarily) a D/s correlation to what animal types we identify as.

I am a joyous wild horse, running strong. My boy is a wolf - dog, fiercely loyal and protective.

Great question, thanks OP! You are a welcome addition to the fray. 


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RE: I've been thinking about kitty/puppy/insert animal ... - 5/13/2010 7:55:31 PM   
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Personaly I find it to be a load of bolloks and it reminds me of 80's interview techniques "If you were an animal what would you be and why?", which had some merit as it was based on personality rather than trying to shoehorn people into stereotypical ideas of the position they hold within BDSM.

The 2 animals I relate to, depending on my mood is a dolphin or wolf, neither are submissive but still reflect me much more accuratly then a puppy or kitten do.

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RE: I've been thinking about kitty/puppy/insert animal ... - 5/13/2010 8:15:40 PM   
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Well, let me tell you something, I don't have a lot of cat like traits, but because of a certain thing that happened while I was with my dom last, I have been marked "kitten" to Him. We are still trying to decide/decifer my place in the BDSM community though I am most definately a submissive personality. Master thinks I would make a good switch, I have a fairly sadistic mind and usually only use it to generate ideas of things that could be done to or with me. *I play the "victim"* He is somewhat confident that I would be good with "Domming" but to me that doesn't feel really natural. Especially if it were to be with another man. More experimentation sure to come.

However if I were to pick animals I would say things like monkeys or squirrels. I am cute; cuddly, and I like to play around or be goofy.

Let's just be sure not to over generalize on anything! People do not fit in boxes. Neither for that matter do animals.

Make all the theories and rules, and boxes you want, just know someone some where is going to break them all up to crumbling peices.

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RE: I've been thinking about kitty/puppy/insert animal ... - 5/14/2010 3:52:29 AM   
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All of the male subs I've known who were into human animal play liked to be dogs. 

I don't become any animal, but when I've been too long without feeling a power exchange...I definitely feel a large, unidentified feline animal inside roaring to get out to hunt.  Maybe I have a spirit guide I don't know about, because it feels almost like a living entity.  It surprised me the first few times.

 And I wish people would stop bringing up beastiality when someone is talking about HUMAN "pretend animal" play.  No real animal is involved.  Human "pretend animal" play could not be against TOS, or there wouldn't be dozens of past threads on it that have not been deleted by the mods. 

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RE: I've been thinking about kitty/puppy/insert animal ... - 5/14/2010 7:27:31 AM   
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quote:

And I wish people would stop bringing up beastiality when someone is talking about HUMAN "pretend animal" play.  No real animal is involved.  Human "pretend animal" play could not be against TOS, or there wouldn't be dozens of past threads on it that have not been deleted by the mods. 


Oh it's the same thing when people bring up incest in age play.  One can't ignore that some people (like me) are into and do enjoy that kink, but people tend to go for the flashy easy target rather than really think through a topic completely.

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RE: I've been thinking about kitty/puppy/insert animal ... - 5/14/2010 6:33:14 PM   
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I don't think there's a correlation between BDSM or D/s orientations and animal roleplay, except that in general Dominants/Tops/etc. tend to be less likely to roleplay an animal than the s-types. I've done some very mild pony and kitty play (mostly behaviour/mannerisms rather than dressing up or using props). If my Master wanted me to roleplay a cow, pig, puppy, or whatever, I'd have no difficulty complying.

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RE: I've been thinking about kitty/puppy/insert animal ... - 5/14/2010 7:09:55 PM   
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My ex and myself shared Panther totems and we did dabble in Big Cat play in a  latex, stud and corset type of a way.
Any thing remotely "fluffy" was a passion killer.

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RE: I've been thinking about kitty/puppy/insert animal ... - 5/14/2010 7:19:36 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LittleBroken

My ex and myself shared Panther totems and we did dabble in Big Cat play in a  latex, stud and corset type of a way.
Any thing remotely "fluffy" was a passion killer.



NOW your talking MY language.. but am either being very dense or know it as something different.... what are Panther totems?


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RE: I've been thinking about kitty/puppy/insert animal ... - 5/14/2010 7:28:43 PM   
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Here you go...

http://www.whats-your-sign.com/panther-animal-totem.html

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RE: I've been thinking about kitty/puppy/insert animal ... - 5/14/2010 7:39:55 PM   
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Aaaah thank you very much. :)



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