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RE: So much for the Tea Party revolution - 5/6/2010 4:48:35 PM   
cuckoldmepls


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Status: offline 		I don't know what people are thinking, but in reality, nothing has really changed other than more government spending, and disastrous backdoor taxes planned on the horizon. Hell, it may even get so bad that they may openly raise income taxes. If Bush Sr. did it, I have no doubt that Obama may resort to it. They just can't stand the idea that government must live within it's means like people should.

What happens when people run up their debt??? Well they can live an illusionary life for a while, but eventually reality hits and the creditors start demanding their money. Well that's the same thing the government is doing. They have created this illusionary economy, but in reality half of us would have to sell our houses just to pay for the people who don't even own homes, in order to pay off the national debt. Technically, half the population should be living in tepees.

Greece, Portugal, and Spain are showing signs of economic collapse as well which could precipitate a European collapse. We also have 700 trillion dollars tied up in deriviatives, and to be honest, no one really knows what derivitives are other than what they tell us. It's too late to outlaw derivitives which is what should have happened in the beginning.

Ultimately the true test of a political agenda is how far would a president go without any opposition what so ever?  If Bush scared you on that question, Obama should scare the hell out of you.

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RE: So much for the Tea Party revolution - 5/7/2010 3:45:11 AM   
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Hell, it may even get so bad that they may openly raise income taxes. If Bush Sr. did it, I have no doubt that Obama may resort to it. They just can't stand the idea that government must live within it's means like people should.

If we just put them back where they were before the tax cutting mania that only diverted resources to the wealthy and pushed more financial burdens to the now strapped states, we'd be in far better shape. Of course, you'd call that "raising" taxes.

From a logical standpoint, raising taxes, though, would satisfy your last quoted sentence above--with more revenue, the government would better live within its means.

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RE: So much for the Tea Party revolution - 5/7/2010 3:54:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		It seems that the voters in the UK had their own tea party yesterday. Gordon Brown and the socialist party he represents have been shown the door after 13 years. Mr. Obama, pay attention. You are next.

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RE: So much for the Tea Party revolution - 5/7/2010 4:02:40 AM   
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It seems that the voters in the UK had their own tea party yesterday.


Well they didn't---they had an ACTUAL third political party. The Tea Party is not--it's a group of mostly conservative Republicans who are going to vote conservative Republican. No change their in national politics or voting.

If they have an impact, it will be within the Republican party, favoring conservatives over moderates. If they succeed, they will further move that party to the right, disaffecting more moderate Republicans and Independents--a strategy that may well backfire long term.

They also have slogans rather than solutions. Governing is much more complicating than complaining. And Republicans have just as poor an economic record as anyone else, specifically by continually slashing revenue, funneling more resources to the wealthy while exacerbating economic problems elsewhere. Undoing past solutions with no plan for solving the problems those solutions did and do in fact ease is short sighted and foolish.

People in the U.S. have been campaigning on the "stop socialism" slogan since the 1890s. It's hardly a new tact or a new movement. It's big money vs. labor, again. But you can't campaign on "more power to the wealthy and the corporations," so you have to invent other things to stir up people's resentment, even when fabricated.

In November, Dems will lose seats in the House and Senate. No surprise. A change in party control? Possible, but not likely--a lot of voters are happy with health care reform in particular, and while have the country is shouting, the other half still disagrees. This will come down to jobs. While the economy is doing well again, employment as we approach the election will likely fuel voter choice.



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RE: So much for the Tea Party revolution - 5/7/2010 4:10:31 AM   
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RE: So much for the Tea Party revolution - 5/7/2010 4:12:27 AM   
Musicmystery


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But we speak of a two party system, because we have two major parties.

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RE: So much for the Tea Party revolution - 5/7/2010 4:19:36 AM   
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ORIGINAL: cuckoldmepls

It's too late to outlaw derivitives which is what should have happened in the beginning



Do you really not see the contradictions in the nonsense you ramble on about?

In post #17 you warned us of the dangers of socialism and big government.

Now you are complaining that the government didn't do enough to regulate the financial industry.

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RE: So much for the Tea Party revolution - 5/7/2010 4:19:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yes, but there smaller than 3 actually pick up seats while ours aren't able to.....hence the difference

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RE: So much for the Tea Party revolution - 5/7/2010 4:29:54 AM   
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Yes, but there smaller than 3 actually pick up seats while ours aren't able to.....hence the difference

And that difference is why your comment is irrelevant to the points I made in my post.




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RE: So much for the Tea Party revolution - 5/7/2010 4:34:15 AM   
servantforuse


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Status: offline 		The voters there still made a choice to throw out the socialist party that has been running the UK for the last 13 years. Gordon Brown will be out and a conservative will be in.

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RE: So much for the Tea Party revolution - 5/7/2010 4:34:57 AM   
DomYngBlk


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Status: offline 		I didn't say it was relevant. I was pointing out simply that they have more than 3 political parties in the UK.

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RE: So much for the Tea Party revolution - 5/7/2010 4:36:12 AM   
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The voters there still made a choice to throw out the socialist party that has been running the UK for the last 13 years. Gordon Brown will be out and a conservative will be in.


The Liberal Party in the UK are not Socialists

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RE: So much for the Tea Party revolution - 5/7/2010 4:36:14 AM   
Musicmystery


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And we have a lot more than just two.

But we speak of a two party system, because we have two major parties.


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RE: So much for the Tea Party revolution - 5/7/2010 4:38:16 AM   
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The voters there still made a choice to throw out the socialist party that has been running the UK for the last 13 years. Gordon Brown will be out and a conservative will be in.

The voters there had a choice of different party candidates.

The voters in the U.S. have conservatives attempting to take over the Republican Party, vs. a viable third party.

Republicans voting for Republicans. A primary issue, not a general election one.

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RE: So much for the Tea Party revolution - 5/7/2010 4:48:11 AM   
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The voters there still made a choice to throw out the socialist party that has been running the UK for the last 13 years. Gordon Brown will be out and a conservative will be in.


I hardly think you can call the Labour party, 'Socialist'....Social-democratic (maybes)

Typical collarme/collarchat talk *Yawn*

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RE: So much for the Tea Party revolution - 5/7/2010 5:47:49 AM   
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It seems that the voters in the UK had their own tea party yesterday. Gordon Brown and the socialist party he represents have been shown the door after 13 years. Mr. Obama, pay attention. You are next.


The tories may have won most seats but not enough to rule by majority,  definitely not a tea party, more a tea dance, they are going to have to work with labou and or lib dems... As usual your take on things has little to do with the reality of it



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RE: So much for the Tea Party revolution - 5/7/2010 5:51:34 AM   
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RE: So much for the Tea Party revolution - 5/7/2010 6:06:23 AM   
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It is exactly what will happen here after the Fall elections. Obama will be forced to work with a new republican majority.


You do realize that if this doesn't happen I'm going to throw it back in your face on every post you make.

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RE: So much for the Tea Party revolution - 5/7/2010 6:20:19 AM   
rulemylife


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Status: offline 		Speaking of which, let's review some of your past predictions:


ORIGINAL: servantforuse

Sarah Palin is a big problem for the democrats. Why all of the attention and family matters being brought up..One reason..They are plenty worried about McCains pick. She is what the Republicans needed to fire up this party..



ORIGINAL: servantforuse

The Democrats are having a big problem with the Irac war. The surge has worked and now they are back pedaling. They can no longer use this as an issue in the November election. They will also be on the wrong side of the fence when McCain debates them on the security of this Country. McCain will be our next President..


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RE: So much for the Tea Party revolution - 5/7/2010 6:40:09 AM   
servantforuse


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