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DarlingSavage -> Shameless Self Promotion! (4/26/2010 3:32:00 PM)

Recycling isn't available for most people that live in multi-family residences. The residential recycle rate is 31.6% which is pretty good for down here. However, it could be improved. Apartment complexes have the option to have the city install dumpsters for recycling, however, many of them choose not to. Mainly because they take up space and the dumpsters are expensive. Only the largest complexes offer recycling, but these are also complexes that rent out furnished bedrooms in furnished apartements to students from $595/mo rather than apartments.

Anyway, the city could double the recycle rate by adding 25 more recycling drop off points that are within 1/4 mile of complexes. These 25 new facilities would be able to reach the needs for 71 demand points, which is pretty good. This would increase tonnage recycled from 13,061 tons to 38,089.4 tons recycled annually. Which would reduce tonnage sent to landfills by another 30%.

However, the cost of recycle dumpsters is inhibitive. Ranging from about $900 to $2,000 for a 3 cubic yard container. A 3 cubic yard container would probably hold about 6,000 lbs which is approximately 3x what is actually needed on a weekly basis. However, smaller containers are difficult to find and price. Actually, they're all pretty hard to price. The only ones that show prices are 20 cubic yard containers and up that are for rent for construction projects and other such endeavors.

This study was done allocating new drop off points for multi-family residences with 50 units and up which comprised a total of 67 complexes.

Hope the picture's not too big, there's no way for me to tell. I compressed it. But this is what I do and I worked hard on it and wanted to show it off. Nothing wrong with a little shameless self promotion!


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hlen5 -> RE: Shameless Self Promotion! (4/26/2010 4:06:37 PM)

Way to go, Darling Savage!!! Each person doing their part helps the bigger picture. I am doing my part at work to get people there to recycle, too. I don't know how many trees we kill a day, but it's huge!!




DarlingSavage -> RE: Shameless Self Promotion! (4/26/2010 4:18:32 PM)

I'm surprised, I thought Illinois was above the norm here. I'm not really familiar with their recycling programs, but I do know that they have an excellent public transportation system, or at least, that's what I've been told.

More than just recycling, people should strive to reduce and reuse. Use both sides of paper, buy paper with high recycled content, but I'm sure you already know that. Keep u[ the good work and good luck!




SohCahToa -> RE: Shameless Self Promotion! (4/26/2010 4:35:25 PM)


Don't the local council pick up the recycling with the normal rubbish?

We have a bin for cardboard, paper, plastics, glass, steel cans.

A separate bin for organic waste and a bin for any other waste. The rubbish collectors come on different days for different types.

I watched them on TV sorting through it, they do it on conveyor belts (not the most exciting job). They've now started building houses out of thermo poly rock, quite exciting stuff. We used to just stick all this stuff in the ground and nobody questioned that, just shows how things are changing.




DarlingSavage -> RE: Shameless Self Promotion! (4/26/2010 5:41:02 PM)

No, they pick it up at single family residences but not at apartments. They do at some, but only a few. The problem is that while apartment complexes can request to be put on the route, they don't want to do it cause they don't want to pay for the dumpsters and the service. I guess there's a charge for each container that's picked up. They also don't want to forfeit space. There are already 5 recycling drop off centers around town, but they're not easily accessible to everyone. They only cover a very small percentage of the demand. So, my suggestion is that the city allocate 25 new drop off centers around town so that recycling is readily available to everyone. The dumpsters would only be 3 cubic yard sized, maybe even smaller, they only need to be able to hold 2,000 lbs for weekly pickups.




Termyn8or -> RE: Shameless Self Promotion! (4/26/2010 6:55:12 PM)

Y'know now that I think of it, things are not right. There are places in Ohio that will come into your backyard if not fenced, take your cans to the truck and bring them back to where you had them, but empty. These are single family dwellings for the most part. That same city that came to my mind undertook to use eminent domain to domolish some very nice lakefront homes for apartment complexes with the strategy that the complexes would have a higher taxable population per square foot.

So why is it that single family dwellings have all this advantge but not the "projects" ? With all the income and property taxes these things generate you would think they would get city services to the max. What's more any recycling efforts would be enhanced by the fact that the recyclables are already concentrated when they pick them up.

How does this make sense ?

I don't want to step on your idea, I think it's great. But the problem was created by the policies of the local government. While solving it is a worthy endeavor, it shouldn't exist.

T




subfever -> RE: Shameless Self Promotion! (4/26/2010 7:11:13 PM)

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We have a bin for cardboard, paper, plastics, glass, steel cans.


My community uses a similar system for single family homes and townhouses. These property owners are provided with large (approx 40 gallon) bins on wheels, which are emptied at the street curb every 14 days.

America produces far too much waste, and any effort to reduce landfill dumping is a worthy cause.





DarlingSavage -> RE: Shameless Self Promotion! (4/26/2010 8:10:32 PM)

Yes, we do produce too much waste and a lot of it starts at the top of the pyramid with how products are manufactured and packaged. Just think about the poor Pacific Gyre.



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subfever -> RE: Shameless Self Promotion! (4/26/2010 9:52:58 PM)

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Just think about the poor Pacific Gyre.


It is morally criminal how we crap upon our ecosystem to maintain cyclical consumption for profit.




DarlingSavage -> RE: Shameless Self Promotion! (4/26/2010 10:13:01 PM)

I have to agree.




Termyn8or -> RE: Shameless Self Promotion! (4/27/2010 1:04:35 AM)

FR

There is more to our waste problem than "paper or plastic". There are a number of things that are much harder to recycle, and figuring out what to do with those is not just a good thing overall, it can net you some $$$. Car tires come to mind. Right no my buddy who works for a boneyard is in the process of building a tire wall. A bunch of old tires they don't want to pay to dispose of are being specially cut, stacked up and filled with concrete. But this doesn't work for everyone. I hear tell in some countries old tires are shredded and used for filler in the roads. That's not a bad idea, but realize just how tough a tire is these days. Even a bald maypop, in fact even a didpop takes quite a bit of energy to shred. Melting them down really doesn't work so well, and even with the aid of a chemical process to "melt" them down costs, and results in another waste product - in the form of strong steel cords covered with a very tough "gook". Sure you can throw that into a melting pot but it is going to smoke like hell and will not be very "green" to say the least. Solve this one and I can almost guarantee you a profit. Actually my buddy had a dog that would chew tires up, but each would take him months and he didn't leave much in the way of anything useful.

And then there is the innocuous TV set. No matter what type of TV it is, CRT, LCD, DLP or plasma, all of them are very nasty to the environment. And they are very hard to recycle in any meaningful way, because with the modern manufacturing methods the different substances are very difficult to separate. What would you do with some "shit" that contained in unknown amount phosphorous, lead, tin, aluminum, phenolic, plastic, plus a quite hard thermoset resin plastic and steel, among who knows what else ?

Another emergent problem, and I say emergent even though it already exists is disposable diapers. Years ago there was a big fire, and it was discovered that what was burning was used disposable diapers. With all the kids born in the world and the convenience of disposables, it can be a problem. One might question just why someone would stack up a huge warehouse with used diapers, the only thing that comes to mind is that he intended to try to do something with them. Space like that costs money. The fact that the place burned down may be an indication that they just gave up and decided to torch the place. But what do you have there ? Plastic, some paper and that special absorbing stuff they fill them with. I think it a pretty tall order to figure out how to make any good use of that.

Cars are another thing, while they are recycled there is much waste. One company here in Cleveland has made some progress. They have an operation that is run off a computer database. It's called Pull A Part and people bring in their own tools and literally pull the parts they need. Hell, they have to put them in anyway right ? This system has allowed alot of backyard (though competent) mechanics to make some money. With their system, that company offers parts at 50-70% off of what other boneyards will charge. Each car is set up on old rims and tires, no need for a jack. The location on the lot is logged and the "slots" are numbered. You call in with the make and model and they can tell you how many they have. Prices are quoted right over the phone. And while they even pay higher for junk cars, $500 for just about anything that resembles a car, they make enough to support four locations and TV advertising. They call themselves the best strip joiint in town in those commercials.

Innovation in the field of recycling is not only a good thing overall, but can be profitable, but you are going to earn it. Many things have been tried and failed. We need more ideas, and they don't come easy. If you figure out how to, basically, make a silk purse out of a sow's ear, the world will literally beat a path to your door.

There are already think tanks going on about this subject, but don't let that discourage anyone. Alot of innovation comes from common people, because there are millions of angles from which to attack a problem which seems insurmountable. Three hundred million angles in this country to be a bit more precise.

To illustrate that a little kid came up with a great idea. He saw those old bars of soap discarded and saw, through the eyes of a child that this resulted in waste. He invented a doodad that would take all those little bars of soap and snoosh them into a nice big bar of soap. The simplicity is staggering. Each and every one of us has seen this waste, but one figures this out, and it's a youngster to boot ! So the point here is that you do not have to be a rocket scientist.

And as to the title "Shameless". BE SHAMELESS. If you can find something useful to do with dogshit, do it. Anything helps, although alot of people will just use dogshit for fertilizer, not everyone has a garden.

ANY idea that works is good, and if taken to a large scale of operations could make anyone $$$. You don't need a degree, and even a half a brain will suffice. You never know where the next good idea will come from, literally.

T




reynardfox -> RE: Shameless Self Promotion! (4/27/2010 2:11:59 AM)

I've done my bit. I buy larger bottles of champagne to save on glass and don't throw the glasses into the fireplace after every toast.
We must all do what we can. My whips are all locally sourced leather. 




subfever -> RE: Shameless Self Promotion! (4/27/2010 6:13:40 AM)

In a resource-based economy, the focus of technology would be to move beyond cyclical consumption for short-term gains.






DarlingSavage -> RE: Shameless Self Promotion! (4/27/2010 7:34:38 AM)

Termy,

This is a school project which I have to present today. I'm aware of these other problems, however, they are outside the scope of this particular study. This project just simply arose out of my own desire to have access to recycling. I don't have a car, my TVs are old, but they still get the job done. However, there is a huge problem in the Pacific Gyre with plastic and I feel terrible everytime I have to throw something away because I don't have access to recycling services.

Wish me luck in class today. I'm going first, so it should be a quick and painless death!




Termyn8or -> RE: Shameless Self Promotion! (4/27/2010 2:22:53 PM)

Good luck. Once dead come back and tell us how you did :-)

But what I said still stands, if you have any interest in the subject other than the desire to make a good grade, this is going to be the emergent tachnology, so if you attack it early enough in life you might do quite well. If you choose that path, modify your studies.  Get some chemistry and metalurgy under your belt. You'll have to know something of the manufacturing process' of the problem items.

If I were younger at this age I would pesue it avidly. (ummm you know what I mean) Even in the past I know people who made millions recycling, usually has something to do with cars, but also had to do with the ultimate destination of the carcasses. They sold parts off them as far as they could down to the frame. Then it gets cut up or crushed and goes for the steel. In electronics, which is my baby, we are going into the same type of thing. There are NO new parts for new TVs in this country. There are people doing quite well selling the used parts right now. It's a matter of organisation, which is the same as it is with cars. Just some examples of success.

In many cases where the operations run, the land is ruined. But weighed against what could be going into our landfills it is still better then not. And whatever you do, stay as far away from the government as you can, they screw everything up. Ask me for some details about the cash for clunkers program and you might be shocked at the details and the results.

You need a better plan. You need to sidestep those already successful, like Pull A Part did. Just a slightly different mode of operation has made them quite successful. But logically, you can take a ride down to McD's and see they are making money. But to get a franchise and open one across the street would be foolish. In business, a new business you have to find or create and unmet need. Other than that you must sell things that are totally useless to make money. And creating a need is not easy, it takes even more than alot of money. Case in point - cassettes and cassette recorders would be useless without each other. Same goes for CD burners and CDRs now. The point is they are making money. Believe me there is nothing better than doing something good and making a bunch of money from it. I would jump at the chance.

T




DarlingSavage -> RE: Shameless Self Promotion! (4/27/2010 2:54:41 PM)

It's a little too late for me to attack anything "early on in life". lol I have had chem 1 and 2 and some O. chem, which I HATE with a fervent passion! However, I've had TONS of courses in environmental science and geography. I would NEVER open a franchise and I wouldn't be caught dead at a McD.s! UGH! I'm looking to go to work for the government, that's what I want to do. I want to work for the EPA. Yes, I know there are problems there, all the more reason to get in and pitch in. I don't care about making tons of money, just enough to be able to have a nice life and do things that I enjoy, but I also want a job where I'm doing some good. That's very important to me.

ETA: Presentation went well as soon as I got over the initial "uh... uh... uh.... "




divi -> RE: Shameless Self Promotion! (4/27/2010 3:13:52 PM)

Awww DS!  You're doing a great job to help our earth




DarlingSavage -> RE: Shameless Self Promotion! (4/27/2010 3:29:40 PM)

Thanks, you're a sweetie! Everybody can help and should, though. This is just what I want to do more than anything else. My heart is here. Most of the time, anyway. lol




divi -> RE: Shameless Self Promotion! (4/27/2010 3:31:39 PM)

I recycle ... thing I still am doing is using aerosol stuff... I know I know




DarlingSavage -> RE: Shameless Self Promotion! (4/27/2010 3:33:43 PM)

They banned CFCs from aerosols, so you're aerosols shouldn't harm the atmosphere, as far as I know, that is. However, on the other hand, the can needs to be recycled.

Actually, I guess it depends on what kind of aerosol you're using. They do make environmentally sound paints, they're very expensive, but worth it. If people ONLY bought eco friendly paint, then that would be the only kind of paint they made. I did this whole thing on a policy for global warming for a class on environmental policy and I had manufacturing. Why didn't they just tell me to find out about everything on the planet cause it amounted to the same thing.




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