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RE: Behavior Placement - 4/18/2010 9:11:40 AM   
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RE: Behavior Placement - 4/18/2010 9:14:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		Not for nothing sport...but it is a thread started by you.....so asking you specifically what the issue was/is does seem entirely appropriate.


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RE: Behavior Placement - 4/18/2010 9:26:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		Sanity-  these folks here- are living proof of behavior placement.

They Obey and worship TV.   They were raised by TV.   TV has more value then humans.

Welcome to brave new world.

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RE: Behavior Placement - 4/18/2010 9:27:55 AM   
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RE: Behavior Placement - 4/18/2010 9:30:06 AM   
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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

Sanity-  these folks here- are living proof of behavior placement.

They Obey and worship TV.   They were raised by TV.   TV has more value then humans.

Welcome to brave new world.


As I keep reminding you, old boy, there's people on the forum who aren't Americans.

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RE: Behavior Placement - 4/18/2010 9:30:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		The premise here goes beyond GE's objective of selling more goods. Certainly, keeping a product (or use of that product) in the public eye helps sales, as people are more likely to buy and use something that easily comes to mind--not because they are brainwashed, but because as the need arises, they will readily think of the product.

To suggest that viewers will vote how they're told based on TV programs goes a lot further than this. To at the same time disassociate it from the obvious influence FOX has is cherry picking. The implication that GE is now a liberal propaganda machine is absurd.

The messages in shows are the writers'/producers'. There's nothing wrong with themes either--without them, all shows would be meaningless drivel. Those messages are going to reflect political positions--hell, how could they not, and still address any important part of life?

I saw Avatar, and I agree--the green was laid on very thick. But I don't think it's guilty of anything other than superficial writing on rehashed ideas, and it's influence is limited to demonstrating that the future of 3D might be cool.

To feel otherwise is to claim "I'm immune to the secret plot, but the other weak-minded Americans are going to fall for this scheme." It's a new marketing technique, period. Probably annoying at times, just as product placement. But its purpose is to pay for the shows. QED.





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RE: Behavior Placement - 4/18/2010 9:34:49 AM   
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RE: Behavior Placement - 4/18/2010 9:40:08 AM   
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*Warning* - the following link is to a web page thats a spoiler for Avatar!

There are a lot more messages packaged with the Avatar movie than just go green:

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2519593/the_messages_behind_avatar.html?cat=9

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RE: Behavior Placement - 4/18/2010 9:43:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		Saw the movie Sanity....and walked out the same person as walked in....no damage at all.
But yeah Tim was right 3D is heading towards some awsome shit....but a word of advice don't walk with your soda and your popcorn while wearing the silly glasses.....you come off looking like a drunk

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RE: Behavior Placement - 4/18/2010 9:52:00 AM   
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RE: Behavior Placement - 4/18/2010 9:52:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		Mike, your icon is behavior placement. 

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RE: Behavior Placement - 4/18/2010 9:53:23 AM   
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There are a lot more messages packaged with the Avatar movie than just go green


I would hope so....it's a three hour movie.

Start a thread if you want to analyze it. I'll pass though--other than the 3D, it's just not a film worthy of the time to analyze it. It's a rehash of already overdone ideas.

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RE: Behavior Placement - 4/18/2010 9:54:14 AM   
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RE: Behavior Placement - 4/18/2010 9:57:14 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Moonhead


quote:

ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

Sanity-  these folks here- are living proof of behavior placement.

They Obey and worship TV.   They were raised by TV.   TV has more value then humans.

Welcome to brave new world.


As I keep reminding you, old boy, there's people on the forum who aren't Americans.


Yes, but we are the shining city on the hill.

We also export all the gunk- the globe over.

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RE: Behavior Placement - 4/18/2010 9:58:01 AM   
Sanity


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So your position on subliminal messaging is that anything goes? Am I reading you wrong here?

Generally, a question to everyone, if there is a line that should not be crossed, where does it lie?



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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

The premise here goes beyond GE's objective of selling more goods. Certainly, keeping a product (or use of that product) in the public eye helps sales, as people are more likely to buy and use something that easily comes to mind--not because they are brainwashed, but because as the need arises, they will readily think of the product.

To suggest that viewers will vote how they're told based on TV programs goes a lot further than this. To at the same time disassociate it from the obvious influence FOX has is cherry picking. The implication that GE is now a liberal propaganda machine is absurd.

The messages in shows are the writers'/producers'. There's nothing wrong with themes either--without them, all shows would be meaningless drivel. Those messages are going to reflect political positions--hell, how could they not, and still address any important part of life?

I saw Avatar, and I agree--the green was laid on very thick. But I don't think it's guilty of anything other than superficial writing on rehashed ideas, and it's influence is limited to demonstrating that the future of 3D might be cool.

To feel otherwise is to claim "I'm immune to the secret plot, but the other weak-minded Americans are going to fall for this scheme." It's a new marketing technique, period. Probably annoying at times, just as product placement. But its purpose is to pay for the shows. QED.






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RE: Behavior Placement - 4/18/2010 9:59:34 AM   
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They Obey and worship TV.


This from the viewer who kneels in supplication before Alex takes the tube.


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RE: Behavior Placement - 4/18/2010 10:00:57 AM   
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So your position on subliminal messaging is that anything goes? Am I reading you wrong here?


Thomas,

It's that I don't see this at all as subliminal. It's rather apparent.

The second part, about writers and messages---are you going to propose we restrict what creative content can discuss?

There, yes, no limits. Otherwise, what's the point of literature/film? Who decides the party line?




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RE: Behavior Placement - 4/18/2010 10:01:51 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

quote:

They Obey and worship TV.


This from the viewer who kneels in supplication before Alex takes the tube.




Alex is one of the elders.

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RE: Behavior Placement - 4/18/2010 10:22:21 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Sanity



*Warning* - the following link is to a web page thats a spoiler for Avatar!

There are a lot more messages packaged with the Avatar movie than just go green:

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2519593/the_messages_behind_avatar.html?cat=9


Yes, it is an article of that person's opinion of what the movie means. 

The people on the far right actually spend a lot of time trying to pass opinions off as fact.

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RE: Behavior Placement - 4/18/2010 10:34:47 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

The premise here goes beyond GE's objective of selling more goods. Certainly, keeping a product (or use of that product) in the public eye helps sales, as people are more likely to buy and use something that easily comes to mind--not because they are brainwashed, but because as the need arises, they will readily think of the product.

To suggest that viewers will vote how they're told based on TV programs goes a lot further than this. To at the same time disassociate it from the obvious influence FOX has is cherry picking. The implication that GE is now a liberal propaganda machine is absurd.

The messages in shows are the writers'/producers'. There's nothing wrong with themes either--without them, all shows would be meaningless drivel. Those messages are going to reflect political positions--hell, how could they not, and still address any important part of life?



I would suggest your view of advertising is too limited, MM. More often I think advertising strives to create a need for a product where none previously existed. Companies may do this by branding the product with personal status or social good will. High end automobiles come to mind in the first instance and Coca Cola's "we are the world" in the instance of social good will. Desire by consumers to identify with the theme may create a "need" for the product. It is not beyond belief that GE advertising executives came together (see Mad Men) and developed a campaign to associate their products with the green theme and so directed their writers/producers to comply. The purpose would be to identify the product with a perceived social good. It may be a rather subtle form of product placement. The primary purpose is selling the Brand while a political agenda may be secondary or even totally irrelevent but only selected by focus group interviews and polling ... to be completely cynical.

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