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LadyEllen -> UK election debates - Lib Dems coming out ahead (4/16/2010 3:02:26 AM)

Along with 6 million others apparently, (a viewing figure way down on the estimates), I watched the very first leaders' debate in a UK election last night.

Though something that other electorates have enjoyed for some time, and something much called for in previous UK elections, this was the first time that we had the agreement of those who would be Prime Minister to face one another, live in front of the cameras - though we did also have a few weeks back a similar event for those who would be Chancellor.

The would be Chancellors' debate was won convincingly by that national treasure otherwise known as Vince Cable for the Lib Dems; this was not necessarily a surprise since he was the only one, for years prior, warning about, and getting shouted down for his troubles, the looming financial crisis in which we now find ourselves, is universally respected and (as his opponents might comment) took the centre podium which is regarded as advantageous.

Last night's debate I found less easy to call - no one sparkled particularly but no one bombed either - taking a neutral stance as regards what they had to say. Taking a more partisan view though, Nick Clegg for the Lib Dems put more good punches in on the other two than either of the other two managed against him or one another.

The instant polls taken immediately afterwards showed Nick Clegg scoring around double the other two in viewers' estimations. If I had to score it, I'd say Nick Clegg 6, Gordon Brown (Labour) 3, David Cameron (Conservatives) 0. Such an outcome must be somewhat related to what they each said and my view of each of their parties of course - I accept I will be biased.

Gordon Brown I felt made a good show of it - considering he is the incumbent, not a telegenic man and regarded as to blame for our ills, he did well. The big loser of the night was Cameron for the Conservatives - widely tipped to be PM and carrying perhaps too high an expectation, which he did not fulfil. My daughter (who has no knowledge or interest in politics) said he came across as (paraphrasing) deceitful and untrustworthy - singling him out for that description on the basis of her first impressions.

The big winner of the night was Nick Clegg and the Lib Dems - too often ignored as the third party in UK politics but here given equal billing alongside Labour and Conservative. Its certain that the electorate's widespread unfamiliarity with him and the party message was remedied last night and shall be further remedied in the next two debates - with perhaps (I hope) some good traction gained in terms of votes, seats and influence in the next Parliament.

Its also certain of course that Nick Clegg will not be PM unless a miracle occurs - and some may argue that this factor plays a large part in his (and Vince Cable's) coming out ahead in the debates so far in that he is released from the possibility of that outcome and so may speak more freely than the other two. Personally I think this is to clutch at straws by opponents running scared who at the same time, paradoxically and cynically, are each attempting to co-opt the Lib Dems to their cause in case of a hung Parliament. Nick Clegg will not be PM (this time anyway) but he may well hold the balance of power.

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pahunkboy -> RE: UK election debates - Lib Dems coming out ahead (4/16/2010 3:10:14 AM)

Oh come on E.    stomp


A 2 year cycle like the US- would be much more festive- with rallies and pep talk and hope and change.  (gags)

;-/




Politesub53 -> RE: UK election debates - Lib Dems coming out ahead (4/16/2010 3:33:55 AM)

I also thought Clegg came out ahead, as did the poll for ITV directly after the show. 4000 viewers were polled and Clegg had most votes on overall performance, more than the others put together.

Cameron could, and should, have done better. Brown trotted out some of the same policies Labour had back in `97. It is not a coincidence that Labour have jumped on the proportional voting system. Its Browns way of hoping Clegg will side with him, in the event of a hung Parliament.




Aneirin -> RE: UK election debates - Lib Dems coming out ahead (4/16/2010 5:27:31 AM)

On first impressions, I felt Gordon Brown so wants to be an elected PM, his whole stance was one of desperation and his facts and figures made him come across as nothing more than a bumbling bureaucrat.

David Cameron I felt was arrogant, almost as if the whole spectacle was an inconvenience to him, I got the impression either he wasn't man enough to be a true leader, or was hiding something, sleazy might be a word to describe.

Nick Clegg I felt he  knows he hasn't got a hope of becoming PM, was just being himself and seemed easy going and thoughtful but almost mocking of the other two. Interesting his comment about the more the other two argue, the more they become the same, which is something I have also noticed some weeks ago.

But, it was a pity the debate was only for those three, for I feel to be fair, the other parties that are running in the election also needed to be there to put their thoughts across, it is as if who decided this affair would take place only wanted the safe bets present, the traditional parties of old, which is wrong really, because the population need to consider all possibilities and cast their vote accordingly. The debate was unfair to all the others and by that unfair to the voting public.




Aneirin -> RE: UK election debates - Lib Dems coming out ahead (4/16/2010 6:08:59 AM)

An interesting analysis from body language experts ;

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/elections/news/article/body-language-experts-verdict/B2820811271365346A0






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