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RE: Fucktard Parade - 3/30/2010 6:15:36 AM   
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Exactly Tazzy - there seems to be an assumption that bullying (like "anti-social behaviour") is in some special category all of its own, exempt from criminal liability. Its my view that the time is long since passed when we ought to see these things for what they would be if they were committed by adults - battery, assault causing actual/grievous bodily harm, theft, criminal damage, harassment et al.

The age of criminal responsibility however needs to be raised before we take that step; 10 is far too young here, probably 12 is more apt. Thereafter the criminal law should be applied, and schools authorised to take action (here at least it should be difficult for schools to do anything much) or face action as an accessory.

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RE: Fucktard Parade - 3/30/2010 6:37:56 AM   
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The Phoebe Prince story has been big here in Mass. since it happened. The South Hadley School has been under fire since it happened, but has failed to do anything about it.Phoebe's Mom had gone to the school on at least two occasions to complain about what was happening to her child,  many teachers and the principal were aware for months what was going on, some students ansd teachers intervened with the harrassment and reported it to the principal, to no avail. On the day of her death she was attacked in the school library, witnessed by a teacher who took no action, and again in the hallways, again wittnessed with no action taken. The Superintendent of schools for South Hadley gave a statement a month or so ago that the school was unaware of the bullying. Pure bullshit. These " suspects " were never as much as slapped on the wrists by the school department.

The DA has deemed the lack of action on the schools part was not criminal. In my opinion it was far more criminal than the bullying.

There was a party a day or so after she killed herself, the bullies mocked and celebrated her suicide,  and if I remember correctly some or one of the bullies opened a Facebook account after her death to celebrate and mock  her death.

I have thought about this case alot, since it happened. When I was in 9th grade, we moved from Pa. to Mass. I grew up in a little town in Pa that was not even on the map, I grew up on a river and was a " hick ", by many standards. I moved to a city in Massachusetts, where I felt very out of place.  I was the new kid who talked funny and wore funny clothes.My friends in Pa all had older siblings who were very Hippy ish and I was a " junior flower child ", so my dress was not acceptable. The girls hated me. The boys were nice to me, well most of them.  I was constantly made fun of for my accent and nastily told no one could understand a word I said and  I should learn to speak English if I was going to stay in the US. I was also called every kind of slut in the world and stories ensued of my gang bag activities with the boys on weekends. LOL, I didn't even know what a gang bang was, I had to ask my Mom. A group of 4 girl bullies constantly threatened to get me and beat my up after school while I was waiting for the bus. I lived in constant fear they were going to hurt me. I was a young teeneger who grew up thinking girls didn't fight and had no idea how to defend myself if this would happen. This new life in Massachusetts was very scary, embarassing and difficult.
It ended when I went to High School. There were three Junior high Schools that merged into one high school in the 10th grade. I made friends with kids from one of the other Junior High schools and I guess the ones from my Junior High found a new victim, cuz it all ended there. And two of the girl who threatened to beat me up daily wound up in juvinile hall in the 9th grade, not for bullying, but for drugs and theft. In my case I was too embarassed to tell my parents. I was quite popular in Pa., was on the swim team and track and held records for track. I felt like it was some how my fault and my parents would be upset that I wasn't liked up here. Very silly, but that is how a young mind works sometimes. Looking back, if I had told the teachers, I know action would have been taken, but I was afraid. A new girl in a new city in a new school, who was going thru puberty and adolesence. I remember one time in typing class, one of the bully girls BFs came into class, walked right up to me and grabbed my boobs, calling me a whore. The teacher, grabbed him, pinned him to the wall and threatened to do very bad things to him if he ever touched me again. Was the teacher in the right for doing that, no, not really. But he was my hero for the rest of my time in that junior high



BUT !!!! What I have thought about in regards to the Phoebe Prince case was I was fortunate to have had this happen back then. I only had to tolerate them for the hours I was at school. I could go home to my " safe haven " and my neighbor friends who liked me. There was no cell phone, there was no texting, there was no internet. I could find peace and solice when out of school. Today there is no peace, these kids can stalk you all day all night, you can't escape it. You don't have a " safe place " to get away from it. I find that very sad. And can comletely see where young girls like Phoebe, see no other way out.


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RE: Fucktard Parade - 3/30/2010 6:53:10 AM   
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speechless....

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RE: Fucktard Parade - 3/30/2010 6:56:34 AM   
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.Phoebe's Mom had gone to the school on at least two occasions to complain about what was happening to her child
if the mom was aware that this little one was raped by two of the nine charged, why did she not go to the police?

And please...i am not tossing the blame to the parents. As a mom, i cannot begin to imagine the pain they went through watching their precious baby abused in this way...


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RE: Fucktard Parade - 3/30/2010 7:10:28 AM   
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Holly:

I am not sure of the rape charges, those are new. Where they are being charged with statuatory rape, I am thinking that it was a consentual relationship between teens. One of the boys charged with statuatory rape is a football player, leading me to think he is the one she dated and it was consentual. < Pure speculation on my part >

The part that made me cry is that Phoebe and her Mom/siblings moved here to Mass. and Dad remained in Ireland. Phoebe was scheduled to go back to Ireland to visit her Dad a few weeks after she killed herself. She did go back, but it was in a box and that is how her Dad got to see his daughter for the first time after she immigrated here. The Mom and family have moved and there whereabouts are undisclosed, as it should be.



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RE: Fucktard Parade - 3/30/2010 7:33:20 AM   
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Online bullying is the new thing for teenagers and middle schoolers. Its one thing to be called a "fag" or "fat" in person, but imagine if that was "tweeted" to 100s of people.

The fucktards atop the parade list for me are the asshole suicide bombers who targeted the Moscow subway. The rationale for that one makes about as much sense as your chihuahua tosser.

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RE: Fucktard Parade - 3/30/2010 9:29:45 AM   
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Phoebe was scheduled to go back to Ireland to visit her Dad a few weeks after she killed herself. She did go back, but it was in a box and that is how her Dad got to see his daughter for the first time after she immigrated here.
this is one of the saddest things i have ever read.

I just hope to God this case is not dropped if the family relocates to Ireland.

Phoebe needs justice.


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RE: Fucktard Parade - 3/30/2010 10:32:12 AM   
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Here's one for the FP starring Fred Phelps:
COURT ORDERS FATHER OF PICKETED DEAD SOLDIER TO PAY COURT COSTS FOR WESTBORO BAPTIST CHURCH
In a decision likely to strike many observers as cruel, a federal appeals court ordered the father of a Marine killed in Iraq whose funeral drew protesters from a church notorious for such demonstrations to pay the church leader's $16,510 in legal fees.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2010/03/dead_marines_father_must_pay_p.html

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RE: Fucktard Parade - 3/30/2010 10:55:15 AM   
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quote:

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Here's one for the FP starring Fred Phelps:
COURT ORDERS FATHER OF PICKETED DEAD SOLDIER TO PAY COURT COSTS FOR WESTBORO BAPTIST CHURCH
In a decision likely to strike many observers as cruel, a federal appeals court ordered the father of a Marine killed in Iraq whose funeral drew protesters from a church notorious for such demonstrations to pay the church leader's $16,510 in legal fees.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2010/03/dead_marines_father_must_pay_p.html


If i were him i would get every veterans organization involved.


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RE: Fucktard Parade - 3/30/2010 1:27:21 PM   
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The statuatory rape charges are for consentual sex, heard it today. Also heard today that Phoebe's family < here in US > is recieving threats from the families of, and, the perpetrators.

I am still sickened that the teachers/administrators are not being charged with anything. I sit speechless that grown adults would sit by for months and watch this young girl be tortured, assaulted and threatened. And these adults are teaching our children. Teachers are mandated reporters, and technically, they should have reported this. But in Massachusetts, if you are a mandated reporter and fail to report, it is just a $ 1000 fine.

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RE: Fucktard Parade - 3/30/2010 1:38:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: maybemaybenot

The statuatory rape charges are for consentual sex, heard it today. Also heard today that Phoebe's family < here in US > is recieving threats from the families of, and, the perpetrators.

I am still sickened that the teachers/administrators are not being charged with anything. I sit speechless that grown adults would sit by for months and watch this young girl be tortured, assaulted and threatened. And these adults are teaching our children. Teachers are mandated reporters, and technically, they should have reported this. But in Massachusetts, if you are a mandated reporter and fail to report, it is just a $ 1000 fine.

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thanks for clearing up the confusion about the rape.

As to the mandated reporters that failed to do their job...it is sad that only a fine can be the result (personally...job loss would be more appropriate). I do hope that the fine IS imposed though.

As to the threats to the family...is this at all surprising? The actors in this HAD A FUCKING PARTY to celebrate the little ones suicide!!!! It is not to much of a stretch to imagine the apples did not fall far from the trees.


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RE: Fucktard Parade - 3/30/2010 1:56:25 PM   
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You have to figure the family will, rightly,be seeking someones ass in civil court.

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RE: Fucktard Parade - 3/30/2010 2:19:10 PM   
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Bullying is awful. School and kids should be drilled...Poor girl.


But I have to admit that I have always thought that the chihuahua toss should be an olympic event.

It takes much training, dedication and skill to create an athlete with the dexterity to drive through the course while at the same time controlling the "chauch." (Chauch or "the puck" is the official terminology given to the dog once it is put into play) The player must then have the mental toughness and agility to be able to toss the chiauch out the window in an extremely accurate fashion.

It is an art form.

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RE: Fucktard Parade - 3/30/2010 3:53:15 PM   
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I thought that was just beagles?

mb, thanks for sharing your info, my friend.

As for the Phelps thing.... I swear, I swear on my father's grave, that when I hear that kind of shit, it makes me understand, just a little bit maybe, what goes through the minds of these militia types that hate the government, and are willing to lash out.


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RE: Fucktard Parade - 3/30/2010 4:25:26 PM   
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quote:

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I thought that was just beagles?


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RE: Fucktard Parade - 3/30/2010 4:37:52 PM   
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I'm sorry sweet lady

They're beautiful dogs, I saw the pics you posted.


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RE: Fucktard Parade - 3/30/2010 4:52:48 PM   
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It's just that there has been an alarming up tick in the anti-beagle public discourse and others that refuse to condemn the implied violence and intolerance directed toward beagles are abetting the rhetoric, possibly leading to escalation and bad things happening to beagles. Or making me sad. :(

Therefore, I am drafting a Joint Civility Toward Beagles statement:

We call on all Americans to respect beagles status as adorable boo boo doo doo babies, to refrain from inappropriate comments regarding the intimidation, violence and meanie remarks and to scale back rhetoric that might in any way infer that beagles are harbingers of anything but delight and happy happiness to lucky beagle owners.

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RE: Fucktard Parade - 3/30/2010 4:56:01 PM   
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So, that whole thing about the Hound of the Baskervilles, and Cujo, actually being beagles, is overblown?

Phew!


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RE: Fucktard Parade - 3/30/2010 10:10:56 PM   
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"what goes through the minds of these militia types that hate the government"
 
Too much. Really too much. If you only knew.
 
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RE: Fucktard Parade - 3/30/2010 10:47:28 PM   
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That school bully shit was just wrong but is it wrong for me to be laughing my ass off thinking about some big ass marine tossing a little chihuahua off a bridge?



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