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Package delivered to wrong address - 3/28/2010 8:53:01 AM   
flcouple2009


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Status: offline 		We received a package last week.  First off the mail man just dropped the package on the doorstep.  Second it wasn't for anyone who was here.  So we put it up in the bedroom to give back to the mail man. 

In the meantime the manager comes and knocks on the door asking if we had received a computer.  We responded we have a package but have no idea what it is since we didn't open it.  We also told them we were giving it back to the mail man the next day.

We missed the mail man the next day so the following morning I took the package and gave it to the Post Office to return to sender.

Two days later the manager is again asking about the package.  We told her that we had returned it to the Post Office.  Later that day a male shows up on the doorstep demanding the package.  He claims he talked to the manager at the Post Office who says they don't have it and that he wants the computer we stole.  We told him sorry, can't help you as we brought it back to the Post Office.

After ranting about how it is a felony to open other peoples mail and it is another felony to steal thousands of dollars of computer parts (yeah right, whatever it was in the box came from ebay)  he made a show of calling the police.  makes no difference to us if they come or not, as we don't have it.

Something just smells funny. 
   1st we have lived here for 6 months and this particular unit had been empty for awhile before then.  From what we
    gather he hasn't lived here in at least 2 years.  Why have it delivered to this address? 

    2nd his name was not the one on the package so we would never have given it to him to begin with. 

    3rd we are sure the Post Office doesn't know they have it because nobody scanned it back in, which they often do
    not scan things at the counter.

    4th if we had wanted it we would never have affirmed we received it.  The mail man did just leave it on the step and
     this is a very high traffic corner.

So at some point it should show back up at the sellers.  But if it doesn't then what?  Say he shows back up with the cops then what?  We don't have anything to hide because we don't have it.  On one hand sure look around do whatever.  On the other hand we don't want people poking around digging through the house for no reason.

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RE: Package delivered to wrong address - 3/28/2010 9:04:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		They can't come in without a warrant, and they have no probable cause to get one. You didn't sign for the package, so you're not responsible for what happens to it. If he comes back, I'd tell him to go fuck himself.

I'd also be curious how the manager got involved with this so quickly. You're right, there's a lot about this doesn't smell right. A package is delivered in the name of someone who doesn't live there, and a couple of hours later the manager of the apartment building calls wanting to know where it is? How did she know a delivery was attempted, and how did she know what the contents of the package were? Why is she directly involved with a package that is being sent to someone she knows does not live at that address, and why is she communicating about it with a former tenant to whom the package was not addressed but claims to own it? Frankly, at this point, I'd be giving serious consideration  to contacting the fraud department at EBay and possibly the postal inspector. 

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RE: Package delivered to wrong address - 3/28/2010 9:05:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		the package went to the PO.

it now is no longer any of your concern.

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RE: Package delivered to wrong address - 3/28/2010 9:08:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		It sounds like a scam.....i am surprised they did not demand $$$ from you.

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RE: Package delivered to wrong address - 3/28/2010 10:08:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		At this point we really don't care.  Your right about one thing Panda, the whole things smells.  I do think the manager was just trying to be nice to the guy.  But it'll be our luck this will be one of those packages the Post Office  looses in a bin in Alaska, lol.

I keep thinking about the birthday present my Grandmother sent my brother once.  it was mailed in Shreveport, LA and was going to a little town in South LA.  It showed up 2 years later in a ragged box with stamps on it from all across the country.  The last one being Alaska where it sat for a year before it was back into the system. 

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RE: Package delivered to wrong address - 3/28/2010 10:19:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'd still consider contacting the fraud department at EBay, just to be on record. Whoever this guy is, he's using your address to do something that sounds very much like some sort of scam. Whatever it is he's doing, he's dragged you into it. He's apparently buying something online using someone else's name and your address. You're probably not at any real risk, but if it were me, I'd be looking to cover all my bases. Good luck with whatever the heck this is all about.

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RE: Package delivered to wrong address - 3/28/2010 10:21:57 AM   
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It sounds like a scam.....i am surprised they did not demand $$$ from you.


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RE: Package delivered to wrong address - 3/28/2010 12:37:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		This is actually common on ebay, and its not necessarily a scam (although it may be).  Guy orders something on ebay and uses paypal to pay for it.  He doesn't check to see which is the default address on paypal and paypal sends the shipping address to the ebay seller, which is now the wrong address, because the guy moved two years ago.

Guy contacts seller and says, it shows the wrong address.  Seller says, sorry, I already shipped, and buyer panics and calls the manager and the manager comes over to see if you have it.  Buyer is in a serious panic because all his friends warned him about ebay scams, and now he is out the money he sent.  He may or may not get it back from the seller.  He threatens with the police because he is just POSITIVE that you have his stuff.

The other option is that he has a thing going with the manager where he has stuff shipped to an empty apartment, either to hide it from his wife, or to have it delivered to an address that has no trace, in case someone comes looking for it.

And the third option, tied in with the one immediately above, is that it was drugs or something like that. 

The ebay/paypal scam usually involves identity theft where they change the shipping address on your paypal account or credit card and they have the merchandise shipped to a "remailer", a person who receives packages and remails them (many remailers think they are performing a legitimate work-from-home service, but they are being scammed as well because they are usually charged with receiving stolen merchandise).




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RE: Package delivered to wrong address - 3/28/2010 12:42:45 PM   
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ORIGINAL: CalifChick

This is actually common on ebay, and its not necessarily a scam (although it may be).  Guy orders something on ebay and uses paypal to pay for it.  He doesn't check to see which is the default address on paypal and paypal sends the shipping address to the ebay seller, which is now the wrong address, because the guy moved two years ago.


That was the first thing I thought of, but it didn't explain the different name. You may still be right, but too many things just don't seem to fit together here. I think the next time he comes back, they should just chop him up and feed him to the gators and be done with the whole deal.

As an aside, you seem to be pretty knowledgeable about Paypal scams. Can you recommend a site to study up on and educate ourselves about this sort of thing, or is it something you just picked up a piece or two at a time here and there?


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RE: Package delivered to wrong address - 3/28/2010 3:02:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		Good post, Cali!
There's a fourth option, though, and that one is a scam. Scammer phishes or steals a credit card and uses the info to buy something on ebay or from Best Buy, etc. He can't have it delivered to his own address, obviously, so he has it delivered to someone else in an apartment complex. The name on the delivery has to match the stolen CC info, and he wouldn't use his own name anyway. The way it usually works is the address given is an empty house or apartment, but maybe he made a mistake with the apt # or thought it would have to be signed for.
When the person who owns the credit card discovers the fraud, the investigation leads to the address that the goods were delivered to- yours, OP.

Not saying that this is what happened, but it isn't exactly unheard of. It's quite common as part of a larger scam (often a love scam), where the scammer convinces the victim to receive shipments of goods and then forward the goods overseas. When the shit hits the fan, the victim who agreed to do this (different from your situation, OP) is often jailed for receiving stolen goods.


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RE: Package delivered to wrong address - 3/28/2010 3:17:55 PM   
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Good post, Cali!
There's a fourth option, though, and that one is a scam. Scammer phishes or steals a credit card and uses the info to buy something on ebay or from Best Buy, etc. He can't have it delivered to his own address, obviously, so he has it delivered to someone else in an apartment complex. The name on the delivery has to match the stolen CC info, and he wouldn't use his own name anyway. The way it usually works is the address given is an empty house or apartment, but maybe he made a mistake with the apt # or thought it would have to be signed for.
When the person who owns the credit card discovers the fraud, the investigation leads to the address that the goods were delivered to- yours, OP.



That was exactly the scenario I was thinking of when I suggested they contact the fraud department, just to be on record. Especially if the possibility exists that the package is now lost. Why not cover your ass? A 5 minute e-mail would pretty much eliminate them from any future suspicion should someone come sniffing sometime down the road.


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RE: Package delivered to wrong address - 3/28/2010 3:47:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		the happy poster dropped the error-ed  package at the post office.

end of story.  

the poster does not have to do anything what so ever.   besides it is against the code to leave rubbish on peoples steps.

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RE: Package delivered to wrong address - 3/28/2010 3:49:46 PM   
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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

the happy poster dropped the error-ed  package at the post office.

end of story.  

the poster does not have to do anything what so ever.
 

True, but there are a lot of things that are a good idea, even if we don't really have to do them.


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besides it is against the code to leave rubbish on peoples steps.



I'm not sure that's a fair statement. All we know is it was a computer - we don't know for sure that it was a Hewlett Packard.


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RE: Package delivered to wrong address - 3/28/2010 3:51:40 PM   
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I'm not sure that's a fair statement. All we know is it was a computer - we don't know for sure that it was a Hewlett Packard.
Worse, it was an EMachine!


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RE: Package delivered to wrong address - 3/28/2010 4:59:22 PM   
pahunkboy


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Status: offline 		electronic waste.  illegal to throw out.   one needs to properly dispose of that.  not just toss in trash.

this is hazardous waste.  and it was dumped - on FLs door step.

FL is under no obligation to contact ebay or paypal or anyone.

FL directed the package- which may or may not have any value- to the post office.  FL has no obligation to do anything further.  Nothing.

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RE: Package delivered to wrong address - 3/28/2010 5:07:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		Nobody's saying he does,  PA. What we're saying is if there's a strong possibility of fraud - which seems to be the case - it's not a bad idea to report it. If I think someone's using my address to commit fraud, you're damned right I'm going to get on the phone, and get myself disconnected from that shit as quickly and as completely as possible.

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RE: Package delivered to wrong address - 3/28/2010 5:59:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		.. FL could re-iterate to the post office the names at their address.  

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RE: Package delivered to wrong address - 3/28/2010 6:26:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		I doubt that the manager is in on any nefarious activity. She contacted you while you had the package in your possession and basically did nothing. She didn't try to take possession of the package herself at that time and apparently didn't immediately contact the person who showed up at your door. Three days after she was told that you were giving the package back to postman she called again about the package. Why the long time frame if it's a scam and she's a party to it?

I would have done with the package the same thing I do with any item addressed to my address for a person who does not live at my address. If I recognize the name as that of one of my neighbors in the building I ask them if they are expecting it and if it is theirs. Sometimes people get the apartment letters mixed up or leave them off entirely and the postman makes a guess. If not I mark on it "Addressee not at this address - Pls return to sender" and put it back in my mailbox if it will fit. If it won't fit I set it atop the mailboxes. If I have errands to run that take me in the vicinity of the Post Office I might return it there but I generally feel my obligation ends where it started - at my mailbox with my postman.



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RE: Package delivered to wrong address - 3/28/2010 6:45:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		I surmise that you did not ask for a receipt at the post office?

Who knows what was in that package? It may have been a drugs drop, perhaps even intended to incriminate you in the smuggle and trade in drugs. It also might have been a bomb.

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RE: Package delivered to wrong address - 3/28/2010 6:59:46 PM   
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I surmise that you did not ask for a receipt at the post office?

Who knows what was in that package? It may have been a drugs drop, perhaps even intended to incriminate you in the smuggle and trade in drugs. It also might have been a bomb.


Hence my general "It was not addressed to me - leave it at the mailbox" strategy.




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