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subfever -> RE: Freedom (2) (3/18/2010 2:13:12 PM)

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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent


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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

I contend that freedom is impossible for anyone that is attached in any way to this world



I'd call that reality.

I doubt there's such a thing as 'freedom' in the traditional sense of its meaning...quite possibly illusory.......a human contortion that allows us to dream/set goals/and never tire of searching.......the hope that there's something out there worth striving for. Thomas Hobbes' claim that life is short/brutish/fearful......well Hobbes' ideas have come to fruition in governments around the world...he certainly wasn't out of touch with what it means to be a human being.

Perhaps freedom is rooted in acceptance.......acceptance of limited horizons. Some would see this as a strength and others a weakness. Being English..of course I will say it's a strength.




Man, I surely hope there's something out there worth striving for. If this is as good as humanity can do... I think I'll start drinking and doing drugs again... [:(]




Real0ne -> RE: Freedom (2) (3/18/2010 5:21:37 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: subfever

quote:

ORIGINAL: NorthernGent


quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

I contend that freedom is impossible for anyone that is attached in any way to this world



I'd call that reality.

I doubt there's such a thing as 'freedom' in the traditional sense of its meaning...quite possibly illusory.......a human contortion that allows us to dream/set goals/and never tire of searching.......the hope that there's something out there worth striving for. Thomas Hobbes' claim that life is short/brutish/fearful......well Hobbes' ideas have come to fruition in governments around the world...he certainly wasn't out of touch with what it means to be a human being.

Perhaps freedom is rooted in acceptance.......acceptance of limited horizons. Some would see this as a strength and others a weakness. Being English..of course I will say it's a strength.




Man, I surely hope there's something out there worth striving for. If this is as good as humanity can do... I think I'll start drinking and doing drugs again... [:(]




you can have absolute freedom, just go find an island or go out in the desert or mountains somewhere.

you can do whatever you want and no one can argue with you.

However when in the public your rights end at the tip of the next guys nose and as I said boring as it may sound, you can carry a rocket launcher on your shoulder if that is the weapon of choice for your defense but gawd help you if you hurt someone unintended or wrongfully as in injury or equity.

Thats the way freedom works.

It is the will to do.




Kirata -> RE: Freedom (2) (3/18/2010 5:26:18 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

you can have absolute freedom... you can do whatever you want

Thats the way freedom works.

I want to be able to spread my arms and fly up into the sky.

That's the way freedom works.

K.




subfever -> RE: Freedom (2) (3/18/2010 5:50:34 PM)

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you can have absolute freedom, just go find an island or go out in the desert or mountains somewhere.

you can do whatever you want and no one can argue with you.

However when in the public your rights end at the tip of the next guys nose and as I said boring as it may sound, you can carry a rocket launcher on your shoulder if that is the weapon of choice for your defense but gawd help you if you hurt someone unintended or wrongfully as in injury or equity.

Thats the way freedom works.

It is the will to do.


Absolute freedom wasn't my point. I simply expressed my deep hope that humanity hasn't reached its pinnacle... because it ain't looking too good.




Real0ne -> RE: Freedom (2) (3/18/2010 5:53:38 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Kirata


quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

you can have absolute freedom... you can do whatever you want

Thats the way freedom works.

I want to be able to spread my arms and fly up into the sky.

That's the way freedom works.

K.


Physics might disagree with you on that.  :)






Real0ne -> RE: Freedom (2) (3/18/2010 5:55:26 PM)

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ORIGINAL: subfever

quote:

you can have absolute freedom, just go find an island or go out in the desert or mountains somewhere.

you can do whatever you want and no one can argue with you.

However when in the public your rights end at the tip of the next guys nose and as I said boring as it may sound, you can carry a rocket launcher on your shoulder if that is the weapon of choice for your defense but gawd help you if you hurt someone unintended or wrongfully as in injury or equity.

Thats the way freedom works.

It is the will to do.


Absolute freedom wasn't my point. I simply expressed my deep hope that humanity hasn't reached its pinnacle... because it ain't looking too good.


well LE's post was idealistic leaning to absolute, thats who I directed my point toward.

humanity will never change.







Real0ne -> RE: Freedom (2) (3/18/2010 8:17:53 PM)

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ORIGINAL: subfever

Man, I surely hope there's something out there worth striving for. If this is as good as humanity can do... I think I'll start drinking and doing drugs again... [:(]



I think this one applies very well in this thread, especially near the end

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sejMVGZVFBQ




subfever -> RE: Freedom (2) (3/18/2010 9:41:20 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

quote:

ORIGINAL: subfever

Man, I surely hope there's something out there worth striving for. If this is as good as humanity can do... I think I'll start drinking and doing drugs again... [:(]



I think this one applies very well in this thread, especially near the end

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sejMVGZVFBQ



I'm not sure if you're referring to the end of the series, or the end of part 1.

In any event, Mr Badnarik has the Bill of Rights down pat. I voted for him in the 2004 elections, and for Mr Paul in 2008.




slvemike4u -> RE: Freedom (2) (3/18/2010 9:54:04 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: subfever

quote:

ORIGINAL: NorthernGent


quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

I contend that freedom is impossible for anyone that is attached in any way to this world



I'd call that reality.

I doubt there's such a thing as 'freedom' in the traditional sense of its meaning...quite possibly illusory.......a human contortion that allows us to dream/set goals/and never tire of searching.......the hope that there's something out there worth striving for. Thomas Hobbes' claim that life is short/brutish/fearful......well Hobbes' ideas have come to fruition in governments around the world...he certainly wasn't out of touch with what it means to be a human being.

Perhaps freedom is rooted in acceptance.......acceptance of limited horizons. Some would see this as a strength and others a weakness. Being English..of course I will say it's a strength.




Man, I surely hope there's something out there worth striving for. If this is as good as humanity can do... I think I'll start drinking and doing drugs again... [:(]

Why the fuck would you have stopped in the first place.....life on its own terms...no fucking thanks!




Real0ne -> RE: Freedom (2) (3/18/2010 10:56:16 PM)

well thats statement




subfever -> RE: Freedom (2) (3/18/2010 11:13:22 PM)

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Why the fuck would you have stopped in the first place.....life on its own terms...no fucking thanks!


Unfortunately, millions would agree with you.

Too bad life is so bad that we need to escape reality in this manner. I say, let's change life!

I'd say a ten million man march on Washington would catch their attention... [:D]




Kirata -> RE: Freedom (2) (3/18/2010 11:17:43 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: subfever

Too bad life is so bad that we need to escape reality in this manner.

I think some drugs bring us closer to reality.

K.




slvemike4u -> RE: Freedom (2) (3/18/2010 11:20:01 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: subfever

quote:

Why the fuck would you have stopped in the first place.....life on its own terms...no fucking thanks!


Unfortunately, millions would agree with you.

Too bad life is so bad that we need to escape reality in this manner. I say, let's change life!

I'd say a ten million man march on Washington would catch their attention... [:D]
That sounds like a great idea...but I'm probably going to be stoned that day...so I won't be able to make it.




slvemike4u -> RE: Freedom (2) (3/18/2010 11:21:31 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Kirata


quote:

ORIGINAL: subfever

Too bad life is so bad that we need to escape reality in this manner.

I think some drugs bring us closer to reality.

K.

Wow,reading this post I could almost get the idea that we have at least a few things in common.




willbeurdaddy -> RE: Freedom (2) (3/18/2010 11:43:05 PM)


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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

I contend that freedom is impossible for anyone that is attached in any way to this world, including even their very life, and that those with the most are the least free of all in that they fear its loss greatly and that consequently the most free are those that have and seek nothing.




Gee, maybe somebody should run with that novel thought and write a song about it.

Oh, wait....




subfever -> RE: Freedom (2) (3/18/2010 11:49:42 PM)

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I think some drugs bring us closer to reality


Why Kirata... I didn't peg you as the type... [;)]

Seriously though, I'm sure many would agree...




subfever -> RE: Freedom (2) (3/18/2010 11:52:38 PM)

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That sounds like a great idea...but I'm probably going to be stoned that day...so I won't be able to make it.


Aww... come on... with you in tow, I would only need another 9,999,995 recruits... [:D]




slvemike4u -> RE: Freedom (2) (3/18/2010 11:56:09 PM)

Your math sucks...are you sure you gave everything up?




subfever -> RE: Freedom (2) (3/19/2010 12:09:08 AM)

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Your math sucks...are you sure you gave everything up?


LOL... I have 4 recruits from the other side.




slvemike4u -> RE: Freedom (2) (3/19/2010 12:21:37 AM)

Oh okay...there for a minute I thought you had slipped into old bad habits LOL
Tell you what...you come up with the balance,in other words the other 9,999,995 and I will be there to help you hit your mark...hell I'll even be sober(although I can't promise I won't sneak off and smoke a little weed at some point....no sense being drastic about this shit)




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