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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent

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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

I contend that freedom is impossible for anyone that is attached in any way to this world

I'd call that reality.

I doubt there's such a thing as 'freedom' in the traditional sense of its meaning...quite possibly illusory.......a human contortion that allows us to dream/set goals/and never tire of searching.......the hope that there's something out there worth striving for. Thomas Hobbes' claim that life is short/brutish/fearful......well Hobbes' ideas have come to fruition in governments around the world...he certainly wasn't out of touch with what it means to be a human being.

Perhaps freedom is rooted in acceptance.......acceptance of limited horizons. Some would see this as a strength and others a weakness. Being English..of course I will say it's a strength.

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ORIGINAL: subfever

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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent

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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

I contend that freedom is impossible for anyone that is attached in any way to this world

I'd call that reality.

I doubt there's such a thing as 'freedom' in the traditional sense of its meaning...quite possibly illusory.......a human contortion that allows us to dream/set goals/and never tire of searching.......the hope that there's something out there worth striving for. Thomas Hobbes' claim that life is short/brutish/fearful......well Hobbes' ideas have come to fruition in governments around the world...he certainly wasn't out of touch with what it means to be a human being.

Perhaps freedom is rooted in acceptance.......acceptance of limited horizons. Some would see this as a strength and others a weakness. Being English..of course I will say it's a strength.

Man, I surely hope there's something out there worth striving for. If this is as good as humanity can do... I think I'll start drinking and doing drugs again... [:(]

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you can have absolute freedom, just go find an island or go out in the desert or mountains somewhere.

you can do whatever you want and no one can argue with you.

However when in the public your rights end at the tip of the next guys nose and as I said boring as it may sound, you can carry a rocket launcher on your shoulder if that is the weapon of choice for your defense but gawd help you if you hurt someone unintended or wrongfully as in injury or equity.

Thats the way freedom works.

It is the will to do.

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

you can have absolute freedom... you can do whatever you want

Thats the way freedom works.

I want to be able to spread my arms and fly up into the sky.

That's the way freedom works.

K.

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ORIGINAL: subfever

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you can have absolute freedom, just go find an island or go out in the desert or mountains somewhere.

you can do whatever you want and no one can argue with you.

However when in the public your rights end at the tip of the next guys nose and as I said boring as it may sound, you can carry a rocket launcher on your shoulder if that is the weapon of choice for your defense but gawd help you if you hurt someone unintended or wrongfully as in injury or equity.

Thats the way freedom works.

It is the will to do.

Absolute freedom wasn't my point. I simply expressed my deep hope that humanity hasn't reached its pinnacle... because it ain't looking too good.

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ORIGINAL: subfever

Man, I surely hope there's something out there worth striving for. If this is as good as humanity can do... I think I'll start drinking and doing drugs again... [:(]

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: subfever

Man, I surely hope there's something out there worth striving for. If this is as good as humanity can do... I think I'll start drinking and doing drugs again... [:(]

I think this one applies very well in this thread, especially near the end

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sejMVGZVFBQ

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ORIGINAL: subfever

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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent

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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

I contend that freedom is impossible for anyone that is attached in any way to this world

I'd call that reality.

I doubt there's such a thing as 'freedom' in the traditional sense of its meaning...quite possibly illusory.......a human contortion that allows us to dream/set goals/and never tire of searching.......the hope that there's something out there worth striving for. Thomas Hobbes' claim that life is short/brutish/fearful......well Hobbes' ideas have come to fruition in governments around the world...he certainly wasn't out of touch with what it means to be a human being.

Perhaps freedom is rooted in acceptance.......acceptance of limited horizons. Some would see this as a strength and others a weakness. Being English..of course I will say it's a strength.

Man, I surely hope there's something out there worth striving for. If this is as good as humanity can do... I think I'll start drinking and doing drugs again... [:(]

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Why the fuck would you have stopped in the first place.....life on its own terms...no fucking thanks!

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ORIGINAL: subfever

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Why the fuck would you have stopped in the first place.....life on its own terms...no fucking thanks!

Unfortunately, millions would agree with you.

Too bad life is so bad that we need to escape reality in this manner. I say, let's change life!

I'd say a ten million man march on Washington would catch their attention... [:D]

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

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Too bad life is so bad that we need to escape reality in this manner.

I think some drugs bring us closer to reality.

K.

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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

I contend that freedom is impossible for anyone that is attached in any way to this world, including even their very life, and that those with the most are the least free of all in that they fear its loss greatly and that consequently the most free are those that have and seek nothing.

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I think some drugs bring us closer to reality

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That sounds like a great idea...but I'm probably going to be stoned that day...so I won't be able to make it.

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Your math sucks...are you sure you gave everything up?