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BUG OUT BAG Or What happens when Hell Breaks out! - 1/17/2010 8:17:15 PM   
JohnSteed1967


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Status: offline 		I was watching all of the Haiti coverage, and one of the things that struck me was that the UN was basically distributing to the victims, what amounted to a Bug Out Bag (Bob, PERK= Personal Emergency Relocation Kit) and I realized something, something I don't think I realized until this disaster.

Why Should I expect someone else to cover my ass during a disaster, when I can build a kit and cover my own. No one in Haiti ever expected a 7 magnitude earthquake. I mean this is the tropics we are talking about.They should expect Hurricanes and the like.

So I have become Motivated to build my own kit or buy one and modify it.

Question, like the boy Scouts? Are you Prepared?


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RE: BUG OUT BAG Or What happens when Hell Breaks out! - 1/17/2010 8:22:17 PM   
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Question, like the boy Scouts? Are you Prepared?
Having your own kit is only useful if you have it with you when the shit hits the fan...even if you have it at home and are at home...what do you do if your home falls down and your kit is under a pile of rubble?

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RE: BUG OUT BAG Or What happens when Hell Breaks out! - 1/17/2010 10:22:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		John, all you need is a couple of guns and plenty of ammo and you can get whatever you need on the road!

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RE: BUG OUT BAG Or What happens when Hell Breaks out! - 1/17/2010 11:15:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes. I do a lot of camping, and solo back country winter hiking. For the winter hiking, I have a survival kit that fits in a backpack - pretty comprehensive first aid kit, duct tape, poly sheeting, mylar blankets, small saw, equipment to start and maintain a fire, non-perishable food, compass, spare pair of eyeglasses, 4 fully-loaded 8-round magazines for my Colt .45 (for firing signal shots if I break a leg miles from a road in the middle of January), and few other useful items.

I divided my camping gear into two categories - stuff that's just generally useful for weekend camping, and stuff that would be essential for survival in an emergency, such as rope, a small axe, pots and pans, can opener, rain ponchos, more plastic sheeting,  lights and batteries, tarps, water purification tablets, plastic bags, and a few other things. All of the latter items are stored in a large plastic bin.

I've also got a large gym bag permanently packed with 200 rounds of .308 ammunition, plus several hundred rounds for  my .45 and my .357,  some basic fishing gear, spare knife, 2 pair of jeans, a flannel shirt, several pairs of hiking socks, a sweater, a jacket, and a pair of sweat pants, and this bag sits on top of that bin. It's amazing how much stuff you can fit into a gym bag.

When I'm not winter hiking, the winter hiking survival kit is stored in that bin. In case of all out-disaster, that bin, the gym bag, my tent and sleeping bag, my AR-15, and the handgun case containing my .45 and my .357 can be loaded into the back of my car in 3 trips, taking a total of  7 or 8  minutes to load. If there's time for a 4th trip, one of my 12 gauge shotguns and few boxes of ammo for that can come along with the rest of the gear. I've already got a spare pair of hiking boots in the car and a winter survival kit in the car (shovel, heavy winter jacket, hat and gloves), so with less than ten minutes notice I can be out the door with everything i need to survive anywhere there's a forest. It'll never happen, but if it does, I'm as ready as you can be.


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RE: BUG OUT BAG Or What happens when Hell Breaks out! - 1/18/2010 1:41:56 AM   
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RE: BUG OUT BAG Or What happens when Hell Breaks out! - 1/18/2010 3:06:38 AM   
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ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda

Yes. I do a lot of camping, and solo back country winter hiking. For the winter hiking, I have a survival kit that fits in a backpack - pretty comprehensive first aid kit, duct tape, poly sheeting, mylar blankets, small saw, equipment to start and maintain a fire, non-perishable food, compass, spare pair of eyeglasses, 4 fully-loaded 8-round magazines for my Colt .45 (for firing signal shots if I break a leg miles from a road in the middle of January), and few other useful items.

I divided my camping gear into two categories - stuff that's just generally useful for weekend camping, and stuff that would be essential for survival in an emergency, such as rope, a small axe, pots and pans, can opener, rain ponchos, more plastic sheeting,  lights and batteries, tarps, water purification tablets, plastic bags, and a few other things. All of the latter items are stored in a large plastic bin.

I've also got a large gym bag permanently packed with 200 rounds of .308 ammunition, plus several hundred rounds for  my .45 and my .357,  some basic fishing gear, spare knife, 2 pair of jeans, a flannel shirt, several pairs of hiking socks, a sweater, a jacket, and a pair of sweat pants, and this bag sits on top of that bin. It's amazing how much stuff you can fit into a gym bag.

When I'm not winter hiking, the winter hiking survival kit is stored in that bin. In case of all out-disaster, that bin, the gym bag, my tent and sleeping bag, my AR-15, and the handgun case containing my .45 and my .357 can be loaded into the back of my car in 3 trips, taking a total of  7 or 8  minutes to load. If there's time for a 4th trip, one of my 12 gauge shotguns and few boxes of ammo for that can come along with the rest of the gear. I've already got a spare pair of hiking boots in the car and a winter survival kit in the car (shovel, heavy winter jacket, hat and gloves), so with less than ten minutes notice I can be out the door with everything i need to survive anywhere there's a forest. It'll never happen, but if it does, I'm as ready as you can be.



Wow! Is there are reason you are so prepared, or are you just a very organized person?

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RE: BUG OUT BAG Or What happens when Hell Breaks out! - 1/18/2010 6:28:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		I usually have a gallon of water in the closet. I have a wood stove, and when the power goes out I drag water upstairs from the tank to use for flushing and washing hands. But except for several days without power, and even then the roads were clear and we ate dinner out, nothing's ever happened or is likely to. Ice storms are the worst but five days is the record here, much worse upstate of course.

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RE: BUG OUT BAG Or What happens when Hell Breaks out! - 1/18/2010 8:27:43 AM   
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ORIGINAL: hlen5

Wow! Is there are reason you are so prepared, or are you just a very organized person?


Well, I do tend to be organized. But not super-organized. What it comes down to is that this is all stuff I already own anyway (mostly for the camping and the hiking), and it all has to be stored somewhere. So I might as well store it like this.

I found years ago that unless i store all my camping and hiking gear in one place, I invariably forget to pack something important whenever I go. Including, on one frustratingly memorable occasion, my freaking tent poles. That put quite a damper on my weekend. So everything I use for camping and hiking, I only use for camping and hiking, and it never leaves the closet unless I'm packing it into the car for a trip. The gym bag with the spare clothes is the same bag of extra clothes I take camping with me, and the guns are always stored in the same place for safety reasons. So for all that stuff, it's simply a matter of everything being in one place anyway, and knowing where it all is.

The winter survival kit in the car is a pretty standard practice in these parts anyway, and given that I do a lot of winter driving in remote, hilly areas, I make sure that I've got everything I need in the car to stay alive for a day or so in case the car goes off the road in a blizzard. There's not one thing on this list that I bought specifically for a "bug out bag"; I just figured as long as I own it anyway, I might as well organize it like this and kill two birds with one stone.

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RE: BUG OUT BAG Or What happens when Hell Breaks out! - 1/18/2010 1:48:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		The real issue here is risc assesment and then be prepared. For years i was a member of the Landrover Association of South Africa. The needs for survival kit and what should be in it is very different from what i today need for travelling around here. The same as what is your need for it if you live with your ass pointing at the Sct Andreas fault. I.e living in San Francisco.
Well the owrst case scenario in my place is beeing snowed in and a power failure at the same time. The snowing in bit did happen just a few days ago, but caused no more "hardship" than i couldn't get to work. The other is of course being caught in the car in a blizzard stuck in a snowdrift. For that i do have a bag containing a "Polar" overall. Some fleece clothes to have underneath and a pair of Moonboots. All stuff i have from my time in Greenland. I stick it in the car when temperatures starts going low and take it out in spring. The same, I always have a toolkit who lives in the boot, with a set of spare fanbelts and radiator hoses. A habit i got from driving in South Africa as it has seen me getting going again on quite a few occasions. In the cabin is always a fireextinguisher ( 5 kg of CO2 ), just as i have some CO2 extinguishers (4 * 11 kg) in my home. (Worked wonders when a pot with oil caught fire). I had the fire out in 15 seconds and the pot cooled down in 30 limiting the damage to a bit of soothing. One minute more and the house would have been beyond saving.

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RE: BUG OUT BAG Or What happens when Hell Breaks out! - 1/18/2010 2:29:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		I, unlike so many others, am not concerned in the least.

No guns, no water on hand,   I do own a filet knife and some steak knives to thwart the looting masses and zombies.

I think I will be just fine.

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RE: BUG OUT BAG Or What happens when Hell Breaks out! - 1/18/2010 3:07:58 PM   
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RE: BUG OUT BAG Or What happens when Hell Breaks out! - 1/18/2010 5:07:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm not prepared but I really need to do something. After Katrina I vowed to have enough on hand for my family for at least 5 days. I still havent done it.

A natural disaster can happen anywhere, at any time.

Yanno, maybe you posted this post just for the hell of it, but I want to say thanks just the same cause I'm damn sure going to do what I have been putting off for years and do it  tonight.


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RE: BUG OUT BAG Or What happens when Hell Breaks out! - 1/18/2010 5:32:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		If I lived in an area that might be hit be some natural disaster I might stock up.  But then again when the hurricane is heading my way I might just choose to leave.

The biggest natural disaster heading towards Chicago would have been if the Cubs resigned Milton Bradley.

For the rest of you scared saps please buy your guns.  In the dire case of some fictitious emergency you would be justified to leave the safety off and hopefully just end up shooting yourself.

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RE: BUG OUT BAG Or What happens when Hell Breaks out! - 1/18/2010 5:42:10 PM   
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ORIGINAL: laura2161

I'm not prepared but I really need to do something. After Katrina I vowed to have enough on hand for my family for at least 5 days. I still havent done it.

A natural disaster can happen anywhere, at any time.


That was kind of the kick in the ass for me, too. Not Katrina, but several years ago we had a summer with a number of severe thunderstorms, and I had 3 or 4 power failures over the space of a couple of months - one lasting 2 days. Each time, I used some of the flashlights and propane lanterns from my camping gear, and after a while I got sick of digging around in my camping gear in the dark. So I decided to separate out the lights and batteries and such, and make them easier to get at.

That was around the same time that the avian flu outbreak in Asia was getting so much publicity, and having a chronic health condition, I spent a lot of  time considering what to do if worse ever came to worst. As I thought it all through, I decided to prepare for the worst case scenario and make an emergency plan for getting out of Dodge if need be. Fortunately, I already owned everything I needed to survive in the woods, so there was no expense involved. It was just a matter of organizing it differently. For lesser scale emergencies, I keep a couple of week's worth of tuna, flour, and canned vegetables on hand, and I've got a creek flowing through my back yard for water. I'm about as ready as I can be for any reasonable eventuality, and the food I've got stored is all stuff i eat anyway, so I just rotate it through every 6 months ago to keep it fresh.


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RE: BUG OUT BAG Or What happens when Hell Breaks out! - 1/18/2010 5:54:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		Bug out?  To where?

Those country hicks are not going to welcome a hoard of hoodlims.

Best to get your home to be well stocked.

Notice that when one evacuates- one is often not allowed to return..until they deem it "safe".  Which often takes days maybe even weeks.

You can do what you want... as for me... I would not evacuate, if I absolutely had to- I would not go to the approved disaster shelter.

Lets suppose there is an incident in a city-  you can bet that at some point country folks will disallow the mobs from coming.   They know the landscape - and so forth.

Anyhow- my point is to run a well stocked home.

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RE: BUG OUT BAG Or What happens when Hell Breaks out! - 1/18/2010 6:07:07 PM   
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RE: BUG OUT BAG Or What happens when Hell Breaks out! - 1/18/2010 6:13:04 PM   
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RE: BUG OUT BAG Or What happens when Hell Breaks out! - 1/18/2010 6:13:19 PM   
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Bug out?  To where?

Those country hicks are not going to welcome a hoard of hoodlims.

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Lets suppose there is an incident in a city-  you can bet that at some point country folks will disallow the mobs from coming.   They know the landscape - and so forth.


That's the nice thing about living in the Upper Midwest. I'm only a few hours from an area so remote there aren't even any people living there. Up on the Canadian border, in the Boundary Waters Canoe Area. There's only  one road going in, about 60 miles long. Get to the end of that road, and then pick a fire road and drive until the end of that one. You're 60 miles from the nearest town and 5 miles from the nearest human. As long as you like venison and goose, you can live like a king.


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RE: BUG OUT BAG Or What happens when Hell Breaks out! - 1/18/2010 6:24:22 PM   
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Bug out?  To where?

Those country hicks are not going to welcome a hoard of hoodlims.

...

Lets suppose there is an incident in a city-  you can bet that at some point country folks will disallow the mobs from coming.   They know the landscape - and so forth.


That's the nice thing about living in the Upper Midwest. I'm only a few hours from an area so remote there aren't even any people living there. Up on the Canadian border, in the Boundary Waters Canoe Area. There's only  one road going in, about 60 miles long. Get to the end of that road, and then pick a fire road and drive until the end of that one. You're 60 miles from the nearest town and 5 miles from the nearest human. As long as you like venison and goose, you can live like a king.



I would like to live further out.

Maybe someday.

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RE: BUG OUT BAG Or What happens when Hell Breaks out! - 1/18/2010 6:38:21 PM   
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I won't care when the shit hits the fan.... I'll be fishing.

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