Termyn8or
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Well folks they're here. Actually hydrogen powered engines have existed for some time now, and there have been many experimental vehicles over the years. .
What has happeneed is that fuel cell technology has caught up to the demand. No longer needs there be a tank of hydrogen in every car big enough to blow Ney York off the face of the Earth. From what I understand it is more like an on demand system. Yes it keeps a reserve, but in aviation terms it could be said that the weight of the fuselage is greatly reduced.
This is becoming attractive as an alternative to the normal fight for oil. Big oil can't keep this technology down for long. But strangely Google will find you very few good hits if you search for this. Just a coincidence of course.
At any rate I am not so much here to instigate a debate (I think) but to see if anyone knows the base metals, ELEMENTS that are required for these fuel cells. I can play with ten ot twenty grand if the payoff is right. There has to be some sort of rare metal involved, if anyone knows what it is, and the guy who developed the technology doesn't disappear I would say certain metals will skyrocket once the word reallly gets out, if it does.
I don't think they are doing this with twenty mule team BORAX.
The guy who got it going I think is in Japan. But to sell the product here it is best he get a US patent right ? Well maybe. A US patent is a matter of public record, and if you apply for a patent you usually do it through a patent attorney who does a patent search, and look for what is called prior art. Once the base procees patent is applied for in this country, the secret is known. The idea of a patent is to keep others from using your secret, but how can they do that without knowing your secret ?
There is very little in the way of hard, nuts and bolts information on this right now, at least according to a Google search. Among a few important things, I've not seen much in the way of information on how long these fuel cells last and what it takes to replenish or replace them. I don't think this technology can be kept down for long. Fwr be it from me to advocate or engage in speculation, but dammit I want my piece of the pie. I am sick of working. I'm not the Hunt brothers, but if others can do it, why shouldn't I ?
There has to be some sort of salt involved, and I don't mean your run of the mill sodium chloride. Money has been made by people sitting on their ass at home on things like this. It may be my turn to take a ride on a bubble. Or, if such an opportunity doesn't exist because the materials needed are common in nature, I could probably come up with a good plan to convert cars to burn water right ? There are already people selling kits, but I don't know if they use this new technology yet.
I haven't looked into it a hell of a lot so far, but I know enough to know what these kits must do. Something must be done with the fuel injectors because the additives in the gas will no longer be there to lubricate. A would doubt they are liquefying the hydrogen as well, that would cost enough energy to make it a big nosebleed. So we are talking about a serious revamp of the whole fuel system. My guys can handle it and I got machines to make the parts. If I can learn enough to build just one and maybe just break even, then I can build another, and so on and so on. Each time it gets easier which equals cheaper.
I know we all bitch about cheap shit, but that is in essence the job of any engineer, to get the job done and leave room for profit.
My whole family almost is car people. My Father built a Chevy 283 that would run comfortably at 9,000 RPM. One car got passed around the family a bit needed extra members welded in, because it kept ripping the bolts for the seat right out of the floor. Before his health went, we kept up on the newer technology and have never been at the mercy of a mechanic. We melded his superior knowledge on the subject with my superior knowledge of electronics to fully understand how a computer controls most newer car engines. We have out diagnosed Mr. Goodwrench more than once. In one such instance the shop said change the engine, after careful consideration I said "Tear down for timing chain". The retort was that the book said the car did not have a timing chain it used gears. I said "I said what I said" and what did he find ? A timing chain with a FUBARed tensioner. Dammit I can tell when the valve timing was off, and it was. So they got a couple more years out of that car. It would still be running today except for one thing - they let teenagers drive it. Nuff said.
Partly it is money, but I also want to get my mind into something other than pure electronics. Truthfully, modern electronics is begging to outstrip my ability to understand it. But electronics and mechanics are used together in many things, expensive things. Thus I see a possibility of opportunity here. Everybody needs a car or something to drive almost. I know some don't drive, but many do. This makes for a large market pool. I smell money. I smell the kind of money one can make and possibly retire on, without cheating anyone. And if I can't I can just invest in what others need to get it done. One way or another they can't keep a lid on this forever.
Before anyone mentions those tinfoil hats, I know what I am talking about. I have known that this is possible for a long time. What I am relaying here is that there has just been a discovery that makes it more feasible and economical. Momma didn't raise any dummies.
Just like the perpetual generator I mentioned a while back. It took me a while to figure out how it works, and really that sort of took all the "magic" out of it. However I don't know enough about that technology to do anything of note with it. In this particular field I think I do.
And if the stress is now to "go green" this is poised to change the face of the world a bit. Big oil loses it's teeth. When you burn gas optimally the byproduct is nothing but water vapor and CO2. When you burn hydrogen at stoichometry, the byproduct is water vapor.
With what I know I can see where this is leading. Eventually instead of adapting engines to run on hydrogen, some will be designed to run on it in the first place. The next goal would be to make the system more adibiatic, then we are approaching absolute zero when it comes to environmental impact. I can almost smell the money now. ( actually that in itself might be an environmental impact )
But then I am still not going to throw money away on something that may be a pipe dream ( literally ).
Whaddya think ?
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