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ORIGINAL: Jeffff

UR?,  I was going to disagree with you, but this proves your point. This is from dictionary.com

1.
profound dedication; consecration.

2.
earnest attachment to a cause, person, etc

3.

an assignment or appropriation to any purpose, cause, etc.: the devotion of one's wealth and time to scientific advancement

I copied all three, I think we can probably leave the third out..:

I always thought that only the first was devotion. Technically I am wrong. For me personally I would want the first.:)

Jeff

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ORIGINAL: Icarys

Hell I know females would devote a year of their time to me with not so much as a bit of love.

Loves got noting to do with it.

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ORIGINAL: UniqueRaven

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ORIGINAL: Icarys

Hell I know females would devote a year of their time to me with not so much as a bit of love.

Loves got noting to do with it.

i would agree with this.  There is a reason, however, that the devotion occurs - it could just be because you're a great guy and they enjoy spending time with you.  Or for those devoted to their job, the rewards that they gain from that devotion.

i should clarify that for me, in a relationship context, devotion does come from love.  It is a feeling.  And i'm fully at peace with the fact that the semantics are going to vary widely, as others have said.

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ORIGINAL: Icarys

Hell I know females that would devote a year of their time to me with not so much as a bit of love.

Loves got nothing to do with it.

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ORIGINAL: theGuideGoddess

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ORIGINAL: Icarys

Hell I know females that would devote a year of their time to me with not so much as a bit of love.

Loves got nothing to do with it.

If you don't want their love then that is fine.....if you do.....you got a problem.

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ORIGINAL: Icarys

For me as well. BTW you have the biggest most beautiful and peaceful eyes I've seen in awhile.

Slight derail....

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ORIGINAL: UniqueRaven

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ORIGINAL: Icarys

For me as well. BTW you have the biggest most beautiful and peaceful eyes I've seen in awhile.

Slight derail....

Thank you - maybe it comes from all the yoga.  [;)]

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ORIGINAL: Prinsexx

I was recently told by a dominant that he did not want easy submission. He wanted devotion.
So my questions....
What responsibilities, what expertise, what experience does a dominant need to have in order to 'get' devotion?
When is it not devotion but easy submission?
What defines submission (easy or not) distinctly from devotion?

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ORIGINAL: lally2

maybe what he is referring to is the tendency for submission to occur simply because the sub wants to submit, the dom provides the right soil conditions for the sub to just sink into role and off they go. it has little to do with his influence on the sub atall, she is submitting to submission itself.

devotion suggests that the sub has gone through a mindful process where she is tuned into the dominant and is responding to him through that knowledge. it is relationship specific to them, entirely dependent on what works for them and isnt down to learned protocol, reactive responses, acquired preconceptions.

possibly.........

and hey there prin, smoochy hugs, good to see ya xxxx

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ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda

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ORIGINAL: Prinsexx

I was recently told by a dominant that he did not want easy submission. He wanted devotion.
So my questions....
What responsibilities, what expertise, what experience does a dominant need to have in order to 'get' devotion?
When is it not devotion but easy submission?
What defines submission (easy or not) distinctly from devotion?

Hi, Prinsexx. Welcome back from wherever you've been.

For me, this is an easy question. For me, submission is how I express love, and devotion is a major component of how I express submission. If i love a woman, submission flows automatically from that, and devotion is a big part of how that manifests. Absent the love, there is no genuine submission (at least, not  any consistent, meaningful level), and anything approaching devotion is pretty difficult to muster.

By the way, the last time you were posting regularly, I said some pretty harsh things to you in one of your threads. I want to apologize for that. A lot of us obviously had pretty strong feelings in that thread, but i could have expressed mine more respectfully than I did. And i wish i had. I'm sorry. Welcome back.

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ORIGINAL: lally2

maybe what he is referring to is the tendency for submission to occur simply because the sub wants to submit, the dom provides the right soil conditions for the sub to just sink into role and off they go. it has little to do with his influence on the sub atall, she is submitting to submission itself.

devotion suggests that the sub has gone through a mindful process where she is tuned into the dominant and is responding to him through that knowledge. it is relationship specific to them, entirely dependent on what works for them and isnt down to learned protocol, reactive responses, acquired preconceptions.

possibly.........

and hey there prin, smoochy hugs, good to see ya xxxx

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ORIGINAL: Icarys

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ORIGINAL: lally2

maybe what he is referring to is the tendency for submission to occur simply because the sub wants to submit, the dom provides the right soil conditions for the sub to just sink into role and off they go. it has little to do with his influence on the sub atall, she is submitting to submission itself.

devotion suggests that the sub has gone through a mindful process where she is tuned into the dominant and is responding to him through that knowledge. it is relationship specific to them, entirely dependent on what works for them and isnt down to learned protocol, reactive responses, acquired preconceptions.

possibly.........

and hey there prin, smoochy hugs, good to see ya xxxx

Well put.

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ORIGINAL: theGuideGoddess
 Devotion while overt is a definite emotional response involving loyalty and dedication.  Submission could happen without the same feelings.  Submission is to be humble or compliant, to submit to the control or authority of another. 
 
The Guiding Goddess

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ORIGINAL: Prinsexx

I was recently told by a dominant that he did not want easy submission. He wanted devotion.
So my questions....
What responsibilities, what expertise, what experience does a dominant need to have in order to 'get' devotion?
When is it not devotion but easy submission?
What defines submission (easy or not) distinctly from devotion?
Responses from both sides of the whip appreciated.
Prin