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RE: new definition of slave - 12/28/2009 7:25:37 AM   
CaringandReal


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i didnt surrender - that would suggest that i 'gave in', i didnt, i freely gave up my rights and accepted the authority of my Master.


Well, that's what I meant, but yours is definitely a better wording.

Anne



Substitute Lally's "gave up" for the milder synonym "set aside" and her "accepted the authority of" for "accepts the decisions of" (again the second being a milder wording but still synonomous, IMO), and you have the thread starter's exact definition.

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RE: new definition of slave - 12/28/2009 7:44:58 AM   
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ORIGINAL: CaringandReal


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ORIGINAL: QuirkyAnne

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ORIGINAL: lally2

i didnt surrender - that would suggest that i 'gave in', i didnt, i freely gave up my rights and accepted the authority of my Master.


Well, that's what I meant, but yours is definitely a better wording.

Anne




Substitute Lally's "gave up" for the milder synonym "set aside" and her "accepted the authority of" for "accepts the decisions of" (again the second being a milder wording but still synonomous, IMO), and you have the thread starter's exact definition.


which ties into my preference to the words authority and right over that of power


to my way of thinking i am exercising my rights/authority over her as granted to me by the relationship


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RE: new definition of slave - 12/30/2009 7:51:13 PM   
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One who almost always consents to substantially all of another's preferences, by the exercise of free choice and self will.

In a more healthy manifestation, surrender is a manifestation of sharing love without bargaining, or without giving to get love.

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RE: new definition of slave - 12/31/2009 11:44:29 AM   
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a woman that freely sets aside the free exercise of her rights and accepts the decisions of another

How is that different than a sub? That doesn't align well with my thinking, but I tend to take a less bdsm-ized view of it. Conveniently enough, my thinking need only be aligned with Carol's.

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RE: new definition of slave - 12/31/2009 11:47:19 AM   
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a woman that freely sets aside the free exercise of her rights and accepts the decisions of another

How is that different than a sub? That doesn't align well with my thinking, but I tend to take a less bdsm-ized view of it. Conveniently enough, my thinking need only be aligned with Carol's.


a sub was defined as one that selectively sets aside....................

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RE: new definition of slave - 12/31/2009 11:55:24 AM   
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a sub was defined as one that selectively sets aside....................
Go ahead and try to get crisp on that selectively word. As one with an engineer's brain, I just can't take absolutes seriously when applied to humans. On a poetic basis, it's a fine picture and one that I adore, but from a factual standpoint humans just don't reduce to absolutes in my head. I gave up thinking about it in some sort of "scope of authority transfer" some time ago given that such things cannot be reasonably reduced down to some simple, linear scale.

For me, I went down to the concept of ownership (in and of itself a fascinating word that is more a product of society than it is actuality). Not that I expect anyone else to agree with me, but my own working definition is that if Carol and I both perceived her literally as an owned person... the property of another... then she is "slave", otherwise she is sub. That has nothing whatsoever to do with the scope of authority being transferred... not in my head and not in history.

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RE: new definition of slave - 12/31/2009 12:01:04 PM   
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ORIGINAL: leadership527

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a sub was defined as one that selectively sets aside....................
Go ahead and try to get crisp on that selectively word. As one with an engineer's brain, I just can't take absolutes seriously when applied to humans. On a poetic basis, it's a fine picture and one that I adore, but from a factual standpoint humans just don't reduce to absolutes in my head. I gave up thinking about it in some sort of "scope of authority transfer" some time ago given that such things cannot be reasonably reduced down to some simple, linear scale.

For me, I went down to the concept of ownership (in and of itself a fascinating word that is more a product of society than it is actuality). Not that I expect anyone else to agree with me, but my own working definition is that if Carol and I both perceived her literally as an owned person... the property of another... then she is "slave", otherwise she is sub. That has nothing whatsoever to do with the scope of authority being transferred... not in my head and not in history.


i was a tool and die maker and absolutes bother me too , and mostly i agree with most of what you say

to me in the final analysis you're submissive/obedient or you're not but few agree with that so i was trying to come up with an accepted definition

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RE: new definition of slave - 12/31/2009 12:06:37 PM   
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...there is no such thing as a true slave in our society...


sure, as long as you ignore accepted definitions of "slave" already set forth in English Language Dictionaries, you can call "UN-true" on whomever you choose.
 
for example:
 
*a person who is excessively dependent upon or controlled by something.
Source: OED, 2009...no mention of "by force".
 
*A person who is held in bondage to another; one who is wholly subject to the will of another; one who is held as a chattel; one who has no freedom of action, but whose person and services are wholly under the control of another.
Source: Webster, 1913...no mention of "against one's will".

*One who has lost the power of resistance; one who surrenders himself to any power whatever; as, a slave to passion, to lust, to strong drink, to ambition.
Source: Webster, 1913...no mention of "without consent".
 
*a person who is owned by someone
*someone who works as hard as a slave [syn: striver, hard worker]
*someone entirely dominated by some influence or person
Source: WordNet (r) 2.0...no mention of not "real" or "true"

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RE: new definition of slave - 12/31/2009 12:07:49 PM   
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RE: new definition of slave - 12/31/2009 12:09:53 PM   
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ORIGINAL: aldompdx

"BDSM SLAVE"

One who almost always consents to substantially all of another's preferences, by the exercise of free choice and self will.

In a more healthy manifestation, surrender is a manifestation of sharing love without bargaining, or without giving to get love.


i like this, Aldompdx. May i use it please? i find it to be a struggle to define myself let alone stamp a label on me, but i like what you said and can say that would be me.

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RE: new definition of slave - 12/31/2009 12:16:16 PM   
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can you keep them from leaving?


this slave would imagine it would depend on the individual Master/slave relationship, as there is no one-size-fits-all relationship.
Master certainly could keep this slave from leaving.

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RE: new definition of slave - 1/2/2010 2:00:36 PM   
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can you keep them from leaving?
As Carol and I have discussed recently, I absolutely could keep her from leaving. I am way too savvy of a manipulator and she has given me way too many keys to her internal kingdom. If I can shape her thoughts, emotions, viewpoints, and internal world view at will, then no matter what she was feeling, I could reshape it. Whether I would do such things is an entirely different matter.

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RE: new definition of slave - 1/2/2010 2:07:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		Even slaves are selective. Try ordering one to do something illegal to their minor offspring and see that selectivity come into play as you go out the door.

We obey people worth obeying. And that is the bottom line.

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RE: new definition of slave - 1/2/2010 2:07:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		but you cant keep her by physical means ie caged against her will

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RE: new definition of slave - 1/2/2010 2:15:12 PM   
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We obey people worth obeying. And that is the bottom line.
For starters, I don't really understand the term "slaves" in the general sense. It is an undefined word. So I do not see how you can speak for "slaves", only yourself. And I certainly do not understand how you can speak for Carol... a woman you've never met.

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RE: new definition of slave - 1/2/2010 2:20:18 PM   
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but you cant keep her by physical means ie caged against her will
Continuing on with your example, Carol has absolutely no inclination to be caged. She would find such a thing ridiculous for starters, and a whole host of other more negative words right on top of that. However, if I wanted to cage her, not only could I do it, I could make her like it. And when she liked it, I could cage her however I chose.

This is exactly why I think of external obedience, no matter how extreme, to be a toy in comparison to internal obedience.

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RE: new definition of slave - 1/2/2010 2:21:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		what im saying is that without her cooperation in one form or another you can't restrain her

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RE: new definition of slave - 1/2/2010 3:15:16 PM   
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what im saying is that without her cooperation in one form or another you can't restrain her
as you will. Your beliefs are your own as is your reality.

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RE: new definition of slave - 1/2/2010 3:16:46 PM   
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RE: new definition of slave - 1/2/2010 3:19:08 PM   
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a woman that that almost sets aside the free exercise of her rights and accepts the decisions of another




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