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dincubus -> Intiation (3/19/2006 3:59:29 AM)

If one has a sub that had, in some way been intiated into a grouping that could be considered a gang style related thing.. and the revealed to you. that said initation involved them being taken, in the truest sense of the word.. how would on react to that?



slavejali -> RE: Intiation (3/19/2006 4:06:10 AM)

Well if it was my sub, which I'm not a Domme, but if i was..and it was my sub..i would tell them to quit the gang.



dincubus -> RE: Intiation (3/19/2006 4:22:11 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: slavejali

Well if it was my sub, which I'm not a Domme, but if i was..and it was my sub..i would tell them to quit the gang.


depending on her reaction to the emails i have sent, it will determin e if she is even my sub in the next week or so. i have told her that she will need to get a full std screening and i wll need to have those results given to me. i was not sure of the level of that before now



slavejali -> RE: Intiation (3/19/2006 4:24:15 AM)

have you met her rl yet dincubus? The reason I asked that was, cuz, if you hadnt met her rl yet, I would be wondering if it was just some fantasy of hers and she is playing you...but if you know her rl and that isnt an issue then i stick to...tell her to quit.



Quivver -> RE: Intiation (3/19/2006 4:49:03 AM)

Wow Dincubus, that ~could~ be some serious chit....
Possibly even more so then the worry of STD's.
I'm sure you've questioned her about the depth of her
involvement but my question would be who own's here there?
I'm with Jail on this one if your sure she's not just playing at
some fantasy with this tell her to quit. But I'd like to add
to make sure your not dumping yourself in the line of fire.

Q



ScooterTrash -> RE: Intiation (3/19/2006 5:01:35 AM)

I wholeheartedly agree with Quivver, this is serious and could escalate to something you certainly can't control. I would strongly suggest that they break ties with the "gang" and if there is even a thought in your mind that you might be putting yourself in danger..maybe you need to determine if it's not just wiser to bail.



Level -> RE: Intiation (3/19/2006 5:12:10 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Quivver

Wow Dincubus, that ~could~ be some serious chit....
Possibly even more so then the worry of STD's.
I'm sure you've questioned her about the depth of her
involvement but my question would be who own's here there?
I'm with Jail on this one if your sure she's not just playing at
some fantasy with this tell her to quit. But I'd like to add
to make sure your not dumping yourself in the line of fire.

Q




Hey..........put your picture back on *laughs*.......it's too pretty not to.

Level



Level -> RE: Intiation (3/19/2006 5:14:09 AM)

I agree with what the others are saying..........gangs have horrible reputations for good reason, as do STDs.

Level



RavenMuse -> RE: Intiation (3/19/2006 5:22:45 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: dincubus
If one has a sub that had, in some way been intiated into a grouping that could be considered a gang style related thing.. and the revealed to you. that said initation involved them being taken, in the truest sense of the word.. how would on react to that?


First question is what is the true nature of the relationship! Is she truely your sub? If so how could she NOT think this would be a problem?

Now as has been pointed out, if you only have her word on it then it might be all a fantasy and she is trying to see how you react..... even if it is I would be seriously considering wether I wanted an imature game-player of that nature in my collar?

Keeping a light touch as far as a girls other friends are concerned is one thing, letting downright harmful and dangerous associations continue is quite another. Who holds her leash? You or the gang? If I decided she was maybe worth continuing with then that would have to stop, compleatly and immediatly!

But you ain't me and I'm sure you will make your own decision and carry it through.



MHOO314 -> RE: Intiation (3/19/2006 6:16:09 AM)

Here is where the ex New Orleans cop in Me surfaces---gangs today are deadly and dangerous--they have no moral perpitude---their initiation rites are just that--and many make our extreme pain fantasies look pretty tame--they force loyalty by spreading disease, cohercing into murder and many many other unthinkable acts--so My first comment--is stay away--they do not like their members messed with--at all--many innocent people have died because a gang "member" chose to leave--be very wary.

Now given that, if this is a fantasy of hers----well I can't much look ascance--after all we all have fantasies, that's why we are what we are here--however, the fact that she did not share it as such tells Me she is playing--playing to heighten her value to you by lighting your protective instincts, or playing to see how you would react--

one last thought, gangs dare members to do things to insure loyalty---don't be a statistic.



mnottertail -> RE: Intiation (3/19/2006 6:23:15 AM)

Ja, she takes a hell of a picture don't she?

LOL,
Ron



KatyLied -> RE: Intiation (3/19/2006 6:29:57 AM)

Chiming in on "where's Quivver's pic gone?"
Search party, anyone?

[&:]



MrDiscipline44 -> RE: Intiation (3/19/2006 7:23:29 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: dincubus

If one has a sub that had, in some way been intiated into a grouping that could be considered a gang style related thing.. and the revealed to you. that said initation involved them being taken, in the truest sense of the word.. how would on react to that?

Dump her. If she's playing a game then obviously she is confused as to who is in charge of whom and who will be in control of the relationship.

If she's not then you have some serious problems on your hands. I grew up with gangs in Chicago; they don't just let their members go. Once they're in, they are in for life (which does not tend to be long). The only ways out that I know of is death; old age or you fall off the radar.

And the gang mentality is hard to shake once it gets ingrained. Gangs are one of the ultimate enablers I've seen. Who wouldn't like to have two or three car loads of "friends" that will drop everything to come help you when you need it? Having problems with a storeowner? Call your gang. Need money? Call the gang. Need a place to hang for a while? Call the gang. They "fix" all your problems for you and the only cost is your soul.

Now, with that being said, I've never heard of someone being "taken" in order to be in the gang. But, I don't have any real connections to gangs anymore. Back two decades ago there were only three ways into a gang. You were "jumped" in, you were associated in or you got your hands dirty for the gang. Only women were associated in. This only happens because the father of her child is in the gang. Getting your hands dirty for the gang meant that you went out with members of the gang and shot a rival gang member. Sometimes it was someone that wanted out of the gang. Being "jumped" in was totally different. What would happen here is that you would stand against twenty or so members of the gang and they would just beat your ass (and not in a good way).

Anyway, I know that was more information then you probably wanted but I thought it would be good to pass it along. My advice is just dumping her. If she really wants something to do with you, she'll get her shit together. If not, she isn't worth the trouble then.



truesub4u -> RE: Intiation (3/19/2006 7:48:15 AM)

I know, from gangs in Cal.. SOME of them.. for the ladies to be "in"

There was the gang bang .... but didn't know that still went on either. But it's been 25 years sense I associated with such members. I was never a ganger... got my ass kiced a few times because of not wanting to be either... LOL taught me to better to defend myself though.



ExistentialSteel -> RE: Intiation (3/19/2006 7:51:48 AM)

Dincubus, I'm not clear from your post if this gang ownership is current or is this something from her past that bothers you?



Oberonrex -> RE: Intiation (3/19/2006 7:52:56 AM)

Listen to Mistress Hathor on this one, as she has given good advice. My own thought is that if it is in any way real, bail. I would tend towards bailing even if not real, for most of the reasons given. As was said, "don't be a statistic."



Cloudz -> RE: Intiation (3/19/2006 8:02:01 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Oberonrex

Listen to Mistress Hathor on this one, as she has given good advice. My own thought is that if it is in any way real, bail. I would tend towards bailing even if not real, for most of the reasons given. As was said, "don't be a statistic."


My thoughts exactly.



LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Intiation (3/19/2006 9:12:49 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: dincubus
depending on her reaction to the emails i have sent, it will determin e if she is even my sub in the next week or so. i have told her that she will need to get a full std screening and i wll need to have those results given to me. i was not sure of the level of that before now

First off, she's already your sub and you haven't had any sex yet.

So why would she stop being your sub because you decided to CONTINUE not to have sex with her?

So what if she fucked 500 guys in the past for drugs and money? I'm surprised she's just NOW getting into her sexual history with you, but again, if you haven't been having sexual contact or needing her sexual services, there really hasn't been a reason to discuss it before.

What matters is where she is NOW- how does she feel about it? How does it affect her being in a solid relationship with you NOW? You obviously took her as your sub before knowing this piece of information and thought she was worthwhile.



IronBear -> RE: Intiation (3/19/2006 9:53:59 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Cloudz


quote:

ORIGINAL: Oberonrex

Listen to Mistress Hathor on this one, as she has given good advice. My own thought is that if it is in any way real, bail. I would tend towards bailing even if not real, for most of the reasons given. As was said, "don't be a statistic."


My thoughts exactly.



I concur.

Odds are the you have no Law enforcement trainging or history or for that matter a background of Military Combat. Worst case senario.. Do you want to hve to be carrying some really serious shit 24/7, moving locations ragularly and keed he eyes inyour arse active 24/7??? Gangs are often armed with som serious weaponary and craziness to use it........Dont be a mug.



dincubus -> RE: Intiation (3/19/2006 10:25:08 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: ExistentialSteel

Dincubus, I'm not clear from your post if this gang ownership is current or is this something from her past that bothers you?


it is something in her past that bugs the hell out of me. she does live local to me, we have had a relationship vanilla before it grew into BDSM



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