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johndafreak -> The difference between male and female (12/19/2009 3:16:43 AM)


In this world of uber-detailed fetishes and classes, I am labeled a bisexual switch and as such I've played with people who are gendered and cross-gendered. What I am finding is that there isn't really a difference between males and females, of course we're built different and if you've ever let a tranny think she was getting away with something or fooling you at all,  you would know that genitals are second to identity.
So if identity defines gender roles, what is the difference? clothes?
I think I can feel a difference and this is my question; Is this all in my head or just some old new age hippie shit?
Becouse, what I think is that females vibrate at a higher/faster level, males lower.
This subtle energy flow, anyone know anything about this or should I consult the DSM IV?




Level -> RE: The difference between male and female (12/19/2009 3:25:34 AM)

An aside: your font is awfully small.




johndafreak -> RE: The difference between male and female (12/19/2009 3:31:12 AM)


newbies :p




AquaticSub -> RE: The difference between male and female (12/19/2009 3:32:16 AM)

I can usually tell the difference because most men don't use hand cream or smell like flowers.




johndafreak -> RE: The difference between male and female (12/19/2009 3:37:49 AM)


20 min. bath/shower changes that




AquaticSub -> RE: The difference between male and female (12/19/2009 3:41:51 AM)

Nah. Most men don't use scented hair care products or body wash. Most women I know do.




johndafreak -> RE: The difference between male and female (12/19/2009 3:49:43 AM)


Ah! if only!!!
a good clean trim and shave below the belt helps too.






AquaticSub -> RE: The difference between male and female (12/19/2009 3:55:37 AM)

Trim yes but I like to man to have some stubble down there. Makes being on top more fun when I can actually get into it! [:D]




johndafreak -> RE: The difference between male and female (12/19/2009 4:10:57 AM)


the question still stands
Is there a difference between the energy?
In a blacked out space and only hands are experienced, how acute can the senses go?




sunshinemiss -> RE: The difference between male and female (12/19/2009 4:13:12 AM)

Hello John,

I think you have a point about people being more alike than different.  There is certainly a (fairly little known) group of people who advocate the recognition of more than two genders.  Of course this is not new!  Every culture has dealt with hermaphroditism in one way or another.  Some more accepting than others.

When talking about preferences, identity and the like, the debate often ends up being, in the end, nature versus nurture.  I expect this debate / question / discussion will follow that same path.  As noted above - nurture being the 20 minute shower making the difference in women smelling like flowers.  While that is true, nature comes into the mix as well.  Pheromones are in fact real, do in fact smell different from two sources - the person giving off the pheromones smells different than one of the other gender; the person smelling the pheromone experiences that scent differently based on their own gender.  Not only do different people emit a different smell based on gender, but the smeller smells something different based on their own gender!  This is a fact.   (And for what it's worth, I think it's fascinating)

This is not the only purely biological fact - women experience the physiological expression of tears differently than men do, have more neural pathways across the corpus callosum than men do, and have different combinations of  hormones in on our bodies.  Men's bodies tend to be stronger in the upper body area, women in their hips.  The experience of these biochemical and physiological realities created different reactions to the world.  That is, of course, nurture.  More on that later.

Physical reproduction and the ability to reproduce certainly create a different way of looking at the world.  Obviously women don't have a prostate, and men certainly don't have breasts made to give milk, but the phsical presentations of the reproductive organs leads to a difference in behavior.  The bonding experience from suckling a newborn (the nurture part) actually stimulates different biological reactions in the woman (nature).  I have read that new mothers have a different way of hearing - are more attuned.  I couldn't put my hands on the research now, but I remember thinking "hmmm.  That's interesting."  Physiological changes during pregnancy - heightened sense of smell, nausea, tiredness certainly effect the way a woman interacts in the world.  The biological hormonal surge creates for a change in mood and personality for some women.  Post partum blues is not a theory.

Due to mentstruation, women experience other things differently than men do.  It can influence their way of dealing with the concept and reality of time...  physically manifestating anywhere from planning vacations to the art people make.  This one is purely personal belief on my part.  Nothing to back it up, but you'd be hard pressed to talk me out of it.  However, I wouldn't be a bit surprised that there is research on it.

What I've anecdotally experienced is the difference (generally speaking) of how the different genders deal with pain.  In an emergency room (again generally speaking - after  years of working in one), men are much less able to manage their pain than women are.  Women, I think because of the monthly cramps experience, tend to have higher pain tolerance than men. 

This all leads back to socialization and physical manifestation of our biological reality  Women, when moving a dresser, will tend to hunker down and put their hips into it.  Men will generally lift and move.  Women will have more access to their emotions and express them differently because of more experience with them.     A woman's mood may shift more based on biology - and her behavior may be of a shrew or a needy, starved person - because of the hormones pumping through their bodies.  Ask any woman who's been pregnant if her hormones didn't change.  Women will cooperate differently than the way men do based on a community based focus from raising chilldren than men who will be more competitive.

Studies have proven time and again that how others view a child's gender leads how that child is socialized, what behaviors are encouraged, what ones are shunned.  Teachers respond differently to boys versus girls based on their gender for the exact same behavior.  Marketers of all stripes appeal to separate fears in the genders.  Parents talk differently to their girl babies than they do their boy babies.  Our basic belief systems - cultural, religious, familial - are held together by the way gender is seen within those contexts.

In the end, it's all chicken / egg.  Some people wonder which one came first.  I don't.  I am glad they are both here.  And the rooster, too.

Best,
sunshine

*caveat - YMMV of course... and I've had not nearly enough coffee to even attempt to talk in this issue, but I think I still got it!  [;)]

ETA:  I notice your title... male / female.  It made me think.   Hmmm isn't it interesting that he did the socialized "male" (is more important and therefore) first thing rather than the alphabetical.

And even your title is polarized........  It could have been "gender differences"... but interesting how that isn't in fact the way EVEN YOU THINK...




AquaticSub -> RE: The difference between male and female (12/19/2009 4:15:02 AM)

I don't think so. People give off male or female vibes but I need to see them to get it.




wisdomtogive -> RE: The difference between male and female (12/19/2009 4:34:20 AM)

Everyone has yin and yang within them. Some people are more feminine, while others are more masculine. Can you tell by energy? Interesting question, yes the energy is different, yet it is like a coyote 'trickster'. If you only could sense the energy difference, without using our normal 5 senses, the difference is there, yet some females have more of the yin energy, while some men have more yang. This has been proven to me over and over throughout my life.

Simply yes there is a noticeable difference, and being an energy worker it is something I have noticed, but i do not let my human mind make the connection.

Bare with me i haven't finish my first cup of coffee and this might not have come out clear.




lally2 -> RE: The difference between male and female (12/19/2009 4:49:58 AM)

ive noticed a three second delay. my ex definitely has it, i can actually count to three seconds before he responds to most things. it used to send me nuts because i tend to decide and go. but i dont think thats peculiar to men only.




johndafreak -> RE: The difference between male and female (12/19/2009 4:51:58 AM)


This is good , thanks for reminding me of the terrors endured when my son came into this realm. lol
And I did wonder on what word to put first.

This idea comes out of a scene that I bottomed. Tag teamed by two people of different genders and I tried to tell them apart. Being blindfolded I was left to try to feel out who was who by other means.
I didn't think about the pheromones.
A very good point, in that heated state , there be a' plenty
and here I thought I was getting tricky.




allthatjaz -> RE: The difference between male and female (12/19/2009 4:56:06 AM)

If I wake up in the night and gently run my finger along a mans skin, its an entirely different experience than running my hands over female flesh. A female has a soft velvety feel and although a mans skin feels good, its nothing like the same.
Sunshinemiss said about pheromones and I agree. We may not be conscious of smelling pheromones but clearly we do.
A voice is very important to me and clearly a male and female voice are miles apart.

As far as a woman smelling sweeter because of the flowery shampoos and body lotions. Try putting those same things on a man and they will smell entirely different. Perfumes react according to your pheromones.

To me, a man is very different from a woman and that includes T-girls. I have never been intimate with a transsexual so can't comment but a very good friend of mine is hermaphrodite and I have to say that her scent confuses me.




sweetsub1957 -> RE: The difference between male and female (12/19/2009 7:54:42 AM)

~Fast Reply~
When I've been blindfolded, I can tell the difference in how men & women smell, no matter what scent he/she wears, and in how a man's or woman's skin feels.  Maybe those things affect how I feel their energy, I don't know.  All sensory input will change how a person perceives things, whether it be consciously or subconsciously.




Drifa -> RE: The difference between male and female (12/19/2009 8:04:00 AM)

Men and women kiss differently. I swear, I think it's because men have more muscles in their tongue or something.Women can make a kiss much softer and more sensual than most men can.

In a sensory deprivation situation, I'd think pheromones would make a difference. I learned 20 years ago that while I could have satisfying sex with men or women, men didn't smell right but women smelled yummy. (Combining that with the fact that I tend to have much better emotional relationships with women is why I've been with a woman for the last 15 years.)

I agree with Aquatic about the scented products. Manufacturers tend to tart up feminine health and beauty products with frilly, girly, floral scents. Although I'm kind of wondering what products like Axe are scented with... maybe the metrosexual marketing trend is going less woodsy-John Wayne with scents in men's healthcare products? Some men's colognes smell VERY different when worn by a man vs a woman, Aramis comes to mind, so underlying chemistry is probably an issue.




johndafreak -> RE: The difference between male and female (12/19/2009 9:50:34 AM)

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Men and women kiss differently. I swear, I think it's because men have more muscles in their tongue or something.Women can make a kiss much softer and more sensual than most men can.


true that!
It's the agro male kiss that I turn away from.

Everyone has yin and yang within them. Some people are more feminine, while others are more masculine. Can you tell by energy? Interesting question, yes the energy is different, yet it is like a coyote 'trickster'. If you only could sense the energy difference, without using our normal 5 senses, the difference is there, yet some females have more of the yin energy, while some men have more yang. This has been proven to me over and over throughout my life.

Mmmm...'if you only could sense the energy difference'....sounds like a fun party game...have subbie guess the flesh.




LadyPact -> RE: The difference between male and female (12/19/2009 11:33:09 AM)

Much better question.  I really wish I had an answer for you.  All I really have for you are thoughts.  Since I've never been a man Myself, the best I have to offer is conjecture.

I do tend to agree with what was written about pheromones.  I base this on numerous stories that I have heard or read regarding transexuals, particularly those who are male to female, still being primarily attracted to females.  I also use it in My own personal case, since I am straight.  The natural scent of a female does nothing for Me, but there is an obvious chemical reaction for Me with certain males.  (I do realize that pheromones do not have a particular 'smell' but using the analogy anyway.)

When it comes to the art of Domination, I do tend to do so in a way that I have found more common in males than I do females.  There is one specific area where there is an exception to this which was actually pointed out to Me by My husband years ago.  I tend to use My sexuality more as an enticement, especially in top/bottom situations.  This is true whether I am dealing with male or female bottoms and their own sexual preferences don't seem to have a bearing on it.  I'm very much a 'come into My web' type, especially if there are thoughts of sadism running through My head.

I can say that I do seem to feel a different type of energy when playing with female bottoms rather than males.  (Understand that My use of the word 'play' here is being used for S/m scenes.)  I really couldn't place what that specific difference is any more than I could explain to you that there's a difference on the palate of one taste over another when describing two flavors of ice cream that I equally enjoy.  All I can say is that both are yummy and delicious each in their separate way.








DomImus -> RE: The difference between male and female (12/19/2009 1:29:55 PM)

"The difference between male and female - women will buy shoes to keep other women from having them." Gallagher

Sometimes I think perhaps we're just victims of our own perceptions. I am male (genetically and otherwise), heterosexual and dominant. I have been involved only with women ; some of whom might have had bisexual interests or experiences. Most were as heterosexual as I am and as submissive as I am dominant. The differences between they and I were deafening and therefore I see significant differences.

You do not fall into these rigid borders and you have been with others who also span borders so your perception is that we are all not really that different. Hence a different perception and not an unreasonable one at that.

Identity may trump genitals but just like genitals it is not a choice we consciously make for ourselves. It selects us.



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