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RE: rules for fighting - 11/20/2009 4:09:39 AM   
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A big one is no going to be bed mad.


Now see, for me, I think this one is highly over rated. I have gone to bed mad MANY times and it was always a good thing. It gives me time to cool off, get some rest, then think things through with a clearer head. Much more likely to have a positive outcome of that discussion.

(especially if the other person had too much to drink the night before and isn't feeling so hot the next morning....)

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RE: rules for fighting - 11/20/2009 6:21:40 AM   
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And sometimes, I think - if the topic is especially heated - writing about how you are feeling in an organized way, as dispassionately as possible can be an effective tool.  Well, as long as your partner is willing to READ it...



I think much more clearly when I write than when I speak. Seeing my words on a computer screen gives me a chance to decide if that's really what I mean and really how I want to say it.

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RE: rules for fighting - 11/20/2009 6:37:48 AM   
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Wow! I thought "fair fighting rules" were the "no guns or knives" sort...
How do you make a difference between a "fair fight" and "contrived fight" with such rules?

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RE: rules for fighting - 11/20/2009 6:57:59 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: GreedyTop

And sometimes, I think - if the topic is especially heated - writing about how you are feeling in an organized way, as dispassionately as possible can be an effective tool.  Well, as long as your partner is willing to READ it...



I think much more clearly when I write than when I speak. Seeing my words on a computer screen gives me a chance to decide if that's really what I mean and really how I want to say it.


yep yep.. me too .


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RE: rules for fighting - 11/20/2009 8:11:01 AM   
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...I want to resolve a conflict, and the only way to do that is to fight fair...


there is another, albeit less popular way to resolve conflict.  concede/surrender/submit - conflict over.
 


I love the idea of doing this and I can do it with minor disagreements that don't involve any true conflict, but I am not able to do it yet when I feel really passionately about something. It is a goal of mine to get to this point, though, so thanks for mentioning it.

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RE: rules for fighting - 11/20/2009 8:13:09 AM   
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Wow! I thought "fair fighting rules" were the "no guns or knives" sort...
How do you make a difference between a "fair fight" and "contrived fight" with such rules?



Maybe I don't understand your question. I think of the stupid little fighting tricks I've used (like bringing up old shit or pulling the lawyer trick) as the guns and knives. Resorting to those tricks is contrived.



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RE: rules for fighting - 11/20/2009 8:42:49 AM   
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We frequently hand this out to our patients in couples counseling:

Fair Fighting: Ground rules
 
Remain calm. Try not to overreact to difficult situations. By remaining calm it will be more likely that others will consider your viewpoint.
 
Express feelings in words, not actions. Telling someone directly and honestly how you feel can be a very powerful form of communication. If you start to feel so angry or upset that you feel you may lose control, take a "time out" and do something to help yourself feel steadier - take a walk, do some deep breathing, pet the cat, play with the dog, do the dishes - whatever works for you.
 
Be specific about what is bothering you. Vague complaints are hard to work on.
 
Deal with only one issue at a time. Don't introduce other topics until each is fully discussed. This avoids the "kitchen sink" effect where people throw in all their complaints while not allowing anything to be resolved.
 
No "hitting below the belt." Attacking areas of personal sensitivity creates an atmosphere of distrust, anger, and vulnerability.
 
Avoid accusations. Accusations will cause others to defend themselves. Instead, talk about how someone's actions made you feel.
 
Don't generalize. Avoid words like "never" or "always." Such generalizations are usually inaccurate and will heighten tensions.
 
Avoid "make believe." Exaggerating or inventing a complaint - or your feelings about it - will prevent the real issues from surfacing. Stick with the facts and your honest feelings.
 
Don't stockpile. Storing up lots of grievances and hurt feelings over time is counterproductive. It's almost impossible to deal with numerous old problems for which interpretations may differ. Try to deal with problems as they arise.
 
Avoid clamming up. When one person becomes silent and stops responding to the other, frustration and anger can result. Positive results can only be attained with two-way communication.
 
Establish common ground rules. You may even want to ask your partner-in-conflict to read and discuss this brochure with you. When parties accept positive common ground rules for managing a conflict, resolution becomes much more likely.

 
Fair Fighting: Step by Step
 
To make the Fair Fighting ground rules effective in resolving a specific conflict, use the following steps:
Step One: Before you begin, ask yourself, "What exactly is bothering me? What do I want the other person to do or not do? Are my feelings in proportion to the issue?"

Step two: Know what your goals are before you begin. What are the possible outcomes that could be acceptable to you?

 
Step three: Remember that the idea is not to "win" but to come to a mutually satisfying and peaceful solution to the problem.
 
Step four: Set a time for a discussion with your partner-in-conflict. It should be as soon as possible but agreeable to both persons. Springing something when another is unprepared may leave the other person feeling that he or she has to fend off an attack. If you encounter resistance to setting a time, try to help the other person see that the problem is important to you.
 
Step five: State the problem clearly. At first, try to stick to the facts; then, once you've stated the facts, state your feelings. Use "I" messages to describe feelings of anger, hurt, or disappointment. Avoid "you" messages such as "you make me angry...."
 
Step six: Invite your partner-in-conflict to share his or her point of view, and use active listening skills. Be careful not to interrupt, and genuinely try to hear his or her concerns and feelings. If it seems helpful, try to restate what you have heard in a way that lets your partner know you have fully understood, and ask your partner to do the same for you.
 
Step seven: Try to take the other's perspective - that is, try to see the problem through his or her eyes. The "opposing" viewpoint can make sense even if you don't agree.
 
Step eight: Propose specific solutions, and invite the other person to propose solutions, too.
 
Step nine: Discuss the advantages and disadvantages of each proposal.

Step ten: Be ready for some compromise. Allowing the other person only one course of action will likely hinder resolution. When there is agreement on a proposal for change, celebrate! Set a trial period for the new behavior. At the end of the trial period, you can discuss the possibility of modifying or continuing the change. If no solution has been reached regarding the original problem, schedule a time to begin the discussion again.

 
Cali
 

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RE: rules for fighting - 11/20/2009 8:51:06 AM   
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Rule # 1 fight
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RE: rules for fighting - 11/20/2009 9:11:19 AM   
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my wife and I have a strange way of ending a fight.... we both just throw our hands in the air, quit fightong and walk to opposite ends of the house. Basically, we are saying that niether concedes but the fight is not worth conyinuing. Later, when both parties have cooled down.... we discuss why we were fighting. It always seems to work for us.

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RE: rules for fighting - 11/20/2009 10:15:02 AM   
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Gosh- when I think of the door slamming of fights in the past- and the silly small annoyances- I am glad I live alone.

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RE: rules for fighting - 11/20/2009 6:56:55 PM   
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Cali, thanks--what a great list!

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RE: rules for fighting - 11/20/2009 9:06:35 PM   
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always give your partner the benefit of the doubt, and remember they only have good intentions for you.  when you can remember that, it really helps cool your head and help make rational discussion more attainable.

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RE: rules for fighting - 11/21/2009 5:21:21 AM   
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I don't know who said it. Don't let the sun settle on an argument. The longer it takes before it is brought out in the open the easier to solve. However many people seems to fester for long periods before they blow their stack. How do you teach them to react instantly when they feel wronged. Solving that one could save a lot of grief.

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RE: rules for fighting - 11/21/2009 12:21:49 PM   
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"Never go to bed angry" is not usually very helpful.  It puts an artificial deadline on resolving a problem, and sometimes you need more time than that to ponder the problem and come up with solutions. 

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RE: rules for fighting - 11/21/2009 4:37:21 PM   
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ORIGINAL: peachgirl

always give your partner the benefit of the doubt, and remember they only have good intentions for you.  when you can remember that, it really helps cool your head and help make rational discussion more attainable.


I love this advice!

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RE: rules for fighting - 11/22/2009 1:24:07 AM   
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From previous relationship:

-Absolutely no drudging up past fights that were agreed to long ago by both parties as "resolved".

-If we begin raising our voices to each other... we were required to stop, and have a hug regardless of how mad at each other we might be.  This had some very bizarre, sometimes profound, psychological affects.

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RE: rules for fighting - 11/22/2009 9:59:02 AM   
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ORIGINAL: lucylucy

Something breatheasone said in another thread connected with something I’ve been thinking about lately:

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We also made fighting rules EARLY in our marriage. Those have helped too over the years.



I think rules for fighting/arguing/heated discussions/whatever-you-want-to-call-it are a great idea. I have mentioned a couple times before that my boyfriend and I are learning how to fight fair with each other and are coming up with rules for arguing. In my previous relationships, I fought to win and wasn’t interested in rules—I was interested in winning. But now, maybe because I’m older and more—I hesitate to say mature—seasoned, I don’t want to win necessarily. I want to resolve a conflict, and the only way to do that is to fight fair.

Rules for fighting/arguing/heated discussions/whatever-you-want-to-call-it isn’t strictly a D/s topic, but I think the D/s dynamic has to be taken into account with some of the rules.

The rules my boyfriend and I have come up with so far are
  • When he wants to end a discussion/argument, he will ask me if I have anything else to say. If yes, we keep talking. If no, we stop. If I’m not sure, I can ask to bring up the discussion again in 24 hours.
  • I am not allowed to pull what he calls “the lawyer trick”: saying things and then withdrawing them, the way a trial lawyer does when she wants the jury to be swayed by something but knows it’s out of order.
  • Topics of a serious nature need to be discussed in person or on the phone (rather than by email).


What are some of the rules you and your partner(s) use?


Didn't read all the replies but heres what my husband and i came up with 26 years ago....haven't really added any over the years.
1. Stay on topic, no bring up other or past offenses IF it has no bearing on currant disagreement.
2. No name calling. (finger gestures and sticking out your tongue is permitted)*yes i'm serious*
3. No hitting.
4. No throwing stuff (this was hard for me at 1st LOL)
5. Taking a sanity break is allowed, but you can't leave the house/property.
6. You are allowed to call foul when a rule has been broken during the disagreement, BUT you may NOT gloat! AND it can only be pointed out by saying the word "foul" (no whistle needed)
We were not perfect at this but we did ok with it.
Once during a disagreement i called a foul on my husband, i pointed and shook my finger saying, "Foul! you did a FOUL! the look on his face was priceless...i immediately started to laugh, so did he, and that was about the end of whatever we were disagreeing about! LOL


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RE: rules for fighting - 11/22/2009 11:06:36 AM   
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For me, when I get pissed off I like to take a moment and make sure that I am really pissed off at whatever it is and not merely annoyed with extra circumstances.  For instance. . . ice was dropped on the floor and not cleaned up. . .  this should not piss me off as it is easily solved.  However if one is tired, hungry, stressed from something else, a minor thing can feel major.  So I think that it is important to think about what it is that has my dander up and make sure that is all that is causing it.  If that makes any sense.

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RE: rules for fighting - 11/22/2009 9:41:44 PM   
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I refuse to abandon the tactic of "bringing up old shit" when after all, I took so many hormones partly with the aim of being able to drag up things from years ago to throw into any personal dispute; things which, in my prior state, I simply would never have been able to recall.

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RE: rules for fighting - 11/24/2009 12:42:59 PM   
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Didn't read all the replies but heres what my husband and i came up with 26 years ago....haven't really added any over the years.
1. Stay on topic, no bring up other or past offenses IF it has no bearing on currant disagreement.
2. No name calling. (finger gestures and sticking out your tongue is permitted)*yes i'm serious*
3. No hitting.
4. No throwing stuff (this was hard for me at 1st LOL)
5. Taking a sanity break is allowed, but you can't leave the house/property.
6. You are allowed to call foul when a rule has been broken during the disagreement, BUT you may NOT gloat! AND it can only be pointed out by saying the word "foul" (no whistle needed)
We were not perfect at this but we did ok with it.
Once during a disagreement i called a foul on my husband, i pointed and shook my finger saying, "Foul! you did a FOUL! the look on his face was priceless...i immediately started to laugh, so did he, and that was about the end of whatever we were disagreeing about! LOL



Thanks for sharing what has worked for you. I like #6. I have wondered how to point out tactfully when a rule is broken. I like the simplicity of just saying "foul." My tendency is to yell, "HEY!!! You can't do that!!" which has obvious drawbacks.

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