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Layers of Surrender - 11/13/2009 11:11:42 AM   
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When my Master first told me he wanted to own me he said I could talk to his old slave, as a "reference." Well, since I am agreeing to move in and give my life to him I finally took him up on it. She was kind, she was intelligent, and she had only good things to say about him. She told me why she left and what he meant to her. When I saw my Master last night after talking to her it was like I was hypnotized. I FELT myself surrender. It was so strange, like a literal feeling of melting. Maybe it was shallow of me to let someone else's opinion and confirmation affect me so much. But I don't think what caused the feeling mattered so much as the feeling. It was trust. I thought I had surrendered to him. I thought I was already his. But for some reason it was like another step, a layer of doubt seemed to drift away. It surprised me. Its was a noticeable physical feeling. I'm sure that when I move in with him there will be another layer that drifts away. Maybe that won't  even be the last one.

I know this just sounds like a journal entry but I do have some questions:

Was your process of surrendering gradual? Or did it happen instantly?

Did you ever think you were completely owned and had given yourself to someone completely only to feel it suddenly go deeper?

When did you get to the point when you knew it was complete? Or is it a constant process?
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RE: Layers of Surrender - 11/13/2009 11:13:34 AM   
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Ooops wrong forum! Meant for ask an "S"

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RE: Layers of Surrender - 11/13/2009 11:35:19 AM   
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I think you are going to find it like sinking into a very hot bathtub, deeper, ouch ouch ouch ouch, deeper, ouch ouch ouch ouch, deeper.

Really a pleasing and serene experience for the right type of woman, I should think.

Have a chocolate once in a while.

And a glass of wine.

And soft music and candles.

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RE: Layers of Surrender - 11/13/2009 12:37:11 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Hierodule

It was trust.



You nailed it with this.  Chances are you have some "trust" issues (maybe even abondonment issues?) in your past, so the "trust" thing was a fairly big trigger.

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... you knew it was complete? Or is it a constant process?



Actually, ALL relationships (be they of the 'nilla or kink sort) are a "contant process".  Just take things one day at a time.  The novelty will eventually wear off, so you'd better like not only the person sitting across from you, but the one you see in the mirror;  all of which is a "constant process".


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RE: Layers of Surrender - 11/13/2009 1:20:55 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Hierodule
Was your process of surrendering gradual? Or did it happen instantly?

Instant to an extent.  For his girl, surrender was not gradually.  It's all or nothing, there is no point otherwise.

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Did you ever think you were completely owned and had given yourself to someone completely only to feel it suddenly go deeper?

Not more or deeper ownership or surrender, but moments of 'wow' most definately.  But to me, that is love.

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When did you get to the point when you knew it was complete? Or is it a constant process?

When I gave into my surrender.  Relationships are a constant process, the level or deepness of my surrender isn't.  As I said before, all or nothing.

the.dark.

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RE: Layers of Surrender - 11/13/2009 1:34:03 PM   
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Bit by bit and there's still more to go. Progress not perfection.

I wouldn't have handed over my car keys the first time we met and told him to bring it back in a couple of weeks or whenever. So why would I have handed over myself like that? I'm more valuable than a used car.

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RE: Layers of Surrender - 11/13/2009 1:35:12 PM   
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Yeah? whats your kelly blue book right now? Or NADA yellow if you wanna go that route....

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RE: Layers of Surrender - 11/13/2009 1:48:35 PM   
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it was total and all at once. Over the years i have proven that daily. (imho)

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RE: Layers of Surrender - 11/13/2009 1:49:08 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Hierodule

Was your process of surrendering gradual? Or did it happen instantly?

Did you ever think you were completely owned and had given yourself to someone completely only to feel it suddenly go  deeper?

When did you get to the point when you knew it was complete? Or is it a constant process?


Hierodule,

In the past I have felt it occurred in waves that varied according to the person, influence, and whatever ideology I believed at that point. I don't agree with that mentality anymore. I view my submission through unconditional lenses. Which simply states I aspire to love, give, surrender, and serve in that capacity at all times. I view an unwillingness to do such or the need to hasten the process as a result of predefined conditions that come into play that may not be articulated, but exist within my mind.

The achievement of deeper levels are a manifestation of growing comfort and trust with this person. Which might suggest that the state is possible because the predetermined conditions have been earned and/or met by the other party. If my surrender is dependent upon finite exchanges to plummet the depths so to speak, it becomes a roadblock and hastens the natural flow I seek to have. Altering my mindset and adapting a spirit that embraces submission from this standpoint has sparked the dismantling of many long held beliefs and a deeper understanding of what it really means to give.

~porcelaine

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RE: Layers of Surrender - 11/13/2009 1:52:46 PM   
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porcelaine -
One suggestion....
You should write a book. 

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RE: Layers of Surrender - 11/13/2009 1:59:19 PM   
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Master and I have been slowly delving into this lifestyle together. He insists we do things slowly so that neither of us end up in the middle of something we regret.

That being said, I think I'm a little more gung-ho  about everything than he is. I keep wanting more and he floats slowly until we get to the next level that I've discovered and then we talk about how we both feel about the idea.

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RE: Layers of Surrender - 11/13/2009 2:05:19 PM   
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If someone has a BEAUTIFUL Thoroughbred horse and kept it in the stall and didn't take it out and really let it stretch its legs and do what beautiful horses like that do.....It will eventually kick the stall door down and RUN....because it really NEEDS to and HAS to run.....its in their soul.

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RE: Layers of Surrender - 11/13/2009 2:13:25 PM   
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pD8ymBR2Ufo

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RE: Layers of Surrender - 11/13/2009 2:13:33 PM   
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There was a certain aspect of my relationship that was instant. I think there always is with people that become significant in one's life. There was that chemistry, feeling of such a good fit, and an attraction to something that was more than skin deep. This grew over time, of course, but it was a very foundational kind of thing. It set the stage for everything else. If I had felt ill at ease with him at first, I think we would be working from a position of being behind a kind of starting gate of sorts. As it turned out, that gate was wide open and we just free to go after this thing with all we had.

Still it is a process. I think the depth was established from the beginning. That was really what we were experiencing in those early moments. We were somehow hitting each other's core in a way that brought an sense of comfort that was rare, if ever either of us had experienced it before at all. I just like to think that a human being when wide open like that is a vastness unlike any other. I could explore him forever as he could me. With that exploration comes familiarity and an idea of where we can hide away and be safe together. It is a place where the outside world can no longer see or molest. It is a place where all those sharks in our own waters cannot reach, the rush of life and the currents that would pull us away do not reach. Here we can rest in each other. Over time we find more places like that.

Along the way, you will find you wrestle with a few demons. The beasts that dwell in our own or our partners' waters are formidable. As each is defeated, we find even more serenity in each other. The same is true of those pools of pure toxicity that exist in some. We neutralize them together and purge yet another area that is free to our frolick and play. The waters merge. We heal together and we grow to know each other so well.

I think trust is the key here. I have a basic level of trust that I give as an introductory offer, a trial run of sorts to people in general. They will either build upon that or prove themselves unworthy of more. With time and actions, impressions of others, and things the person chooses to reveal on his/her own, trust can grow ever stronger. I have written before that what was extreme trust today is superficial tomorrow and I believe that. There comes a time when a person just deserves more. The problem is we really don't think there is any more to give. Exposing ourselves further means a level of vulnerability that is simply frightening. Still, if the relationship is to grow, we step out on that edge, close our eyes, and jump. There's no guarantees. There is only trust. Every leap has landed me safely within my partner's arms time and again. I trust it will be the same next time. I cannot know, but I have his history with me to give me the courage to free fall one more time. And another. And another.

Whether it is really the surrender that gets deeper, I don't know. I think it is similar to a person who is being pulled off the side of a mountain. I have been hanging on for dear life all this time. I had to do what I had to do to survive. Now my survival lies in the hands of someone else telling me to let go, it's okay, that I'm not going to fall to my death. At first, I might cling all the harder. This rock has done me just fine all this time. I know I can trust it. I don't know the same about this person offering me his hand. He grabs hold and I let one finger slip, then another, then another. Eventually, my whole life is weighing completely upon him and I know I am safe because each time I let go a little I didn't fall. He had hold of me the whole time. I was already in his hands. The difference comes from my own mind and the faith I've had rewarded. I think we often fight the arms that hold us most securely. When we finally settle, we know that we have always been safe and can at last feel the peace that comes from it. First, though, we have to stop fighting. We have to let go.

lovingpet

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RE: Layers of Surrender - 11/13/2009 3:16:25 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: lovingpet

There was a certain aspect of my relationship that was instant. I think there always is with people that become significant in one's life. There was that chemistry, feeling of such a good fit, and an attraction to something that was more than skin deep. This grew over time, of course, but it was a very foundational kind of thing. It set the stage for everything else. If I had felt ill at ease with him at first, I think we would be working from a position of being behind a kind of starting gate of sorts. As it turned out, that gate was wide open and we just free to go after this thing with all we had.

Still it is a process. I think the depth was established from the beginning. That was really what we were experiencing in those early moments. We were somehow hitting each other's core in a way that brought an sense of comfort that was rare, if ever either of us had experienced it before at all. I just like to think that a human being when wide open like that is a vastness unlike any other. I could explore him forever as he could me. With that exploration comes familiarity and an idea of where we can hide away and be safe together. It is a place where the outside world can no longer see or molest. It is a place where all those sharks in our own waters cannot reach, the rush of life and the currents that would pull us away do not reach. Here we can rest in each other. Over time we find more places like that.

Along the way, you will find you wrestle with a few demons. The beasts that dwell in our own or our partners' waters are formidable. As each is defeated, we find even more serenity in each other. The same is true of those pools of pure toxicity that exist in some. We neutralize them together and purge yet another area that is free to our frolick and play. The waters merge. We heal together and we grow to know each other so well.

I think trust is the key here. I have a basic level of trust that I give as an introductory offer, a trial run of sorts to people in general. They will either build upon that or prove themselves unworthy of more. With time and actions, impressions of others, and things the person chooses to reveal on his/her own, trust can grow ever stronger. I have written before that what was extreme trust today is superficial tomorrow and I believe that. There comes a time when a person just deserves more. The problem is we really don't think there is any more to give. Exposing ourselves further means a level of vulnerability that is simply frightening. Still, if the relationship is to grow, we step out on that edge, close our eyes, and jump. There's no guarantees. There is only trust. Every leap has landed me safely within my partner's arms time and again. I trust it will be the same next time. I cannot know, but I have his history with me to give me the courage to free fall one more time. And another. And another.

Whether it is really the surrender that gets deeper, I don't know. I think it is similar to a person who is being pulled off the side of a mountain. I have been hanging on for dear life all this time. I had to do what I had to do to survive. Now my survival lies in the hands of someone else telling me to let go, it's okay, that I'm not going to fall to my death. At first, I might cling all the harder. This rock has done me just fine all this time. I know I can trust it. I don't know the same about this person offering me his hand. He grabs hold and I let one finger slip, then another, then another. Eventually, my whole life is weighing completely upon him and I know I am safe because each time I let go a little I didn't fall. He had hold of me the whole time. I was already in his hands. The difference comes from my own mind and the faith I've had rewarded. I think we often fight the arms that hold us most securely. When we finally settle, we know that we have always been safe and can at last feel the peace that comes from it. First, though, we have to stop fighting. We have to let go.

lovingpet


OMG that was beautifully stated. I couldn't have said it half as well, but it's exactly how I feel.


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RE: Layers of Surrender - 11/13/2009 3:42:38 PM   
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I just wanted to say that there are some amazing post's in this thread and as I read, I was going down memory lane... (more a process type of thing than a person thing) and then seeing some very current things... and now I have to go write a very special email... cause ya'll got me right in the heart and reminded me of a thing or two I wanted to say and was thinkin about... but now I can't wait to say them. lol

Kind of one of those... get off your ass domme one... thanks! lol

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RE: Layers of Surrender - 11/13/2009 3:47:27 PM   
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Awwww!!! Hope it all works out beautifully for you Lockit!



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RE: Layers of Surrender - 11/13/2009 3:50:16 PM   
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LOL... thank you Lovingpet! Do you realize... or is it just me... that you have posted to me twice without mentioning spanking my ass? Are we evolving or layering something? hehehe

Spanky spanks to ya...

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RE: Layers of Surrender - 11/13/2009 3:53:30 PM   
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Nahhhh...Actually last time I mentioned you sharing a carrot with DS, so it was kinda the same thing. If it makes you feel more secure, I can always promise to cane ya later. giggles

Huggggggs the Lockit

I wouldn't mind getting layered with ya either! LOL



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RE: Layers of Surrender - 11/13/2009 4:10:32 PM   
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porcelaine -
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Greetings dark one,

Once upon a time that was a plan. We'll see what happens. Thank you for the nudge.

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