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Prices from a dinosaur - 11/8/2009 10:46:25 PM   
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The last few years I was shielded from prices. I just handed over money and someone else wrote the checks and all that. But now they are gone and I see firsthand. Today is a perfect example. I now have roomies. I am the king, but I am fast discovering why all this money goes out and where it goes. We got $38 for gas only, two bucks for a burrito. Then another $30 for beer and smokes for a couple of days. Then we went grocery shopping. Got everything we could think of, to save gas. So that we don't have to keep going back every day to the capacity of the fridge and freezers). So a quick run just to complete the list for a decent Sunday dinner turned into going to two places and spending maybe two hundred bucks.

Then, discovering that we had forgotten the item that was the main missing ingredient - breadcrumbs, I figured out a quick and cheap solution. Cheap ? Well the grocery had closed and the nearest open one was farther than I cared to go at the time after all that running around. So I piped up and mentioned potato chips. Yup, those things I haven't eaten in decades, but they would do the trick. To bread pork chops, or chicken or even fish, it comes out damn good. I decided to bite the bullet and just got get a couple bags of regular potato chips. Of course I didn't want the little kiddie size, I wanted two real bags of chips.

So I gets to the store and they have so many varieties that regular chips are hard to find, but I found them. I takes them up to da counter and she says "$5.78". I can't believe this. Now when it comes to munchies I wouldn't give them a plug nickel for their empty carb garbage, but this involved poke chops.

How could I get out of touch so quickly ? Geezus Krist, if it grabs me like that, no wonder people getting out of prison don't mind going back. You want a good job most likely you will have to drive. Insurance, gas, repairs, making it meet emissions, all that. Been there and doing it again. Now it looks like a six month old water pump has failed. Dammit, even if I get the new one under warranty what about the labor ? And they used to be twenty bucks, now you are lucky to get off with sixty.

I know I am not stupid, but I was a dumb fuck when it comes to this shit. All I used to do is hand over the money, but now I see where it goes. This is ridiculous.

I guess I favor a recession, possibly even a depression, prices are just too damn high. And it did not take long. To me it is like seeing someone you haven't seen in years. If you were around them every day it would seem they haven't aged, but after not seeing them for a while it is plain as day.

How the fuck can people make it on $8 or $10 an hour ? I don't see how it is possible. They do seem to do it somehow but that is a mystery. Of course some get side jobs, odd jobs, perhaps even steal or deal. But they have to. If you have a bunch of kids and some lunchmeat, but no bread you might just find yourself in a tale like Les Miserables.

I am still trying to figure this out. My conclusions thusfar are not promising at all, and I won't reveal them right now. But the fact is that someone is making this happen. The value of these goods has not risen that much, the value of money is actually dropping. The financial wizards can tell you all you want to hear but the fact is that someone is profiting on this, in fact probably profiteering.

I actually now stand corrected by myself. Profiteering has been legislated against, and they prosecuted people for selling water for five bucks a gallon after the big one in CA. However they did not mention that if you get fancy bottled water it costs quite a bit as well. And your alternative is the shit they pipe to us that they themselves will not drink.

Buying PCs online all that, WOW I got such a great deal. But now to pay for the electicity to run them. The gas to get home and screw around with them. The food that keeps me alive. The gas and gas, the oil and antifreeze. The license plates, about sixty bucks for a sticker to validate the plates for another year. I remember when you could walk in there with a twenty dollar bill and be good to go.

One of my people tells me the guy who's house he was working on pays $11,000 a year in taxes. This is not a mansion. It is a larger dwelling but nothing to write home about. It is brick and quite nice. But with the square footage he's probably looking at $1,000 gas bills and the taxes. This all after he thought he had it paid off ! And I know property taxes go alot higher than that.

I don't care if I was making ten grand a week I wouldn't want a place like that. First of all I have too many friends and I would probably never get rid of them all. Plus, I have nobody to take care of but myself, so I don't need it.

When does all this stop ? When gas is $10,000 a gallon and rent is a million a month ? We are are all making thousands of dollars an hour and think we have it under control, but in reality we have been running in place, or on a treadmill.

While my job is about as bulletproof as they come, there will be no raise in the near future. Actually I am satisfied with my rate of pay, but the thing is, how long can it support me in any semblance to the manner to which I have become accustomed ? With alot of other people they are not so concerned about their job/profession, and in some cases their future. That is not me, never will be.

I see the trend, and no matter how much money you make, most will see the bottom line go over their head. What do we do then, eat dinosaur shit ?

T
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RE: Prices from a dinosaur - 11/9/2009 12:00:50 AM   
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This why I moved from California back to IL. Try doing all that and being too sick to work and have no insurance due to a pre-existing condition. Thank god for clinical trials! When I left Cali my 1 bedroom apt (600sqft) was $1200 a month in rent. Just rent, no utilities. My car insurance was almost equal to my loan payment.

Returning to IL my apt that is almost 3x the sq footage is under $500 a month in a security building w/ amenities I would have paid dearly for in Cali. Gas is under 2.50. My insurance is a pittance and even groceries are far less. Here I could actually buy and own a home if I want to in the future. In Cali that would have been impossible for me alone. Sure I'm making about 1/2 what I was in Cali but the cost of living is far less expensive here amongst the cornfields and soybeans. So that 1/2 that I'm making here now is going a lot farther than what I was making there. I guess there's something to be said for coming "home" again.

PS. I was horrified today when the girl ahead of me at the grocer paid $6.15 for A pack of ciggies. I quit 2 years ago but I was shocked and had to ask the cashier if that was truly what was paid for a single pack.


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RE: Prices from a dinosaur - 11/9/2009 12:14:49 AM   
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Umm, yes that is what smokes cost. For me they have exceeded my beer costs. (actually something else as well)

Californy is a different planet to me. Really I don't see the allure. Not with what I have here.

And I used to smoke two packs a day, yes that is about four grand a year. I have cut down, which is a good thing. About a pack and a half now. Three grand a year. I am really starting to think what I could do with that three grand. At the very least I could throw one hell of a party. I mean one HELL of a party. Neighbor has a fire pit, nobody calls the cops when he uses it. I can talk to them about the noise. I mean I could have a block party if I wanted. Even the block watch people around here, I have alot of traffic in and out. But they do not say it is suspicious and really we might just be doing what they are suspicious of. But they will keep quiet if I am involved. This is because they really do want me around. So I can handle that, the money could buy a pig and we could have a veritable feast and party. I would almost be able to stuff the pig with filet mignons rather than the usual pheasant.

Just for quitting smoking.

No, fukum, I am lighting up another one.

T

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RE: Prices from a dinosaur - 11/9/2009 12:27:35 AM   
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Termy,

I get you completely and 2 years ago I often said the same thing. I enjoyed smoking. I miss it even today. However, after a little battle with Mr Melanoma I decided that spending all that money killing myself wasn't worth it in the end.


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RE: Prices from a dinosaur - 11/9/2009 9:04:11 AM   
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$6.15 for A pack of ciggies.


Oh goodness don't come to Chicago then. They are over 9 bucks here now!

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RE: Prices from a dinosaur - 11/9/2009 9:55:37 AM   
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So then what is the cheapest that it can be to run a household?

Unless one does it - it is easy to forget how the costs add up.

Find the cheap stores dude.   Surplus, Aldis.   Start there.

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RE: Prices from a dinosaur - 11/9/2009 9:58:07 AM   
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Um.... You know most of the stuff you mentioned is actually cheaper now? Right? (But not gas or cigs) A fast food meal has doubled in price in the same time period where minimum wage tripled. Perhaps your job is one of many which had a decline in real wages. Some up, some down. When firefighters were firemen they couldn't buy houses. Now they make 6 figures.

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RE: Prices from a dinosaur - 11/9/2009 10:32:26 AM   
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http://maps.google.com/maps?sourceid=gmail&rls=gm&um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=aldies+cleveland&fb=1&gl=us&hq=aldies&hnear=cleveland&view=text&ei=51_4SvfWC87elAe_yKDxCg&sa=X&oi=local_group&ct=more-results&resnum=1&ved=0CB4QtQMwAA

here we go Aldis for Cleveland.  :-)  Start in produce- next try the lunchmeat and eggs.

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RE: Prices from a dinosaur - 11/9/2009 5:56:48 PM   
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$6.15 for A pack of ciggies.


Oh goodness don't come to Chicago then. They are over 9 bucks here now!



Well, I'll tell you right now (and I ain't kidding)....when cigarettes get up above three hundred bucks a pack....I'm fucking quitting.

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RE: Prices from a dinosaur - 11/9/2009 8:34:44 PM   
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I think it costs about eighty cents or less to produce a perfect pack of cigaretts using primo tobacco. The rest is all taxes, with a bit of markup, but the markup is mainly on the taxes.

Havuing read what I just wrote I want to listen to Betles - Taxman. "If you take a walk I'll tax your feet". But if you think about it, every miner who gets the iron ore, and the other elements involved in making steel is taxed, and therefore has to make more money. The company who makes the steel out of those elements is taxed and has to make more money. The petroluem and other extractors are taxed and have to make more money. The companies that make it into plastic are taxed and have to make more money. The people who mold said plastic are taxed and have to make more money. The people who make glass are taxed and need to make more money. The people who make the circuit boards and the components mounted thereon are taxed and have to make more money.

It's no wonder cars are so expensive, but it goes to illustrate something right there in Taxman.

"One for you ninteen for me". If that is not absolutely true now, we are definitely headed in that dirsection. That is practically unarguable. There is almost no doubt that everyone who had any hand in obtaining the raw materials, processing those materials and building you the finished product are taxed. Through all those levels, when taxed at each stage, I ask why should we have to pay ? As the final buyer of a new product it has already been taxed to death. Either that or some entity is importing it and making a killing. HELLO, that amounts to the same thing.

My boss'es boat is a tax on me, but it is his place. He is not someone else with guns and cages and soldiers who extort this money unlawfully, even though it is legal.

Hunky is nucking futs, but that's why I like him. He also has the right idea. Try to live a more spartan life, less complex, less chacks to write, less everything. Rampant consumerism does fuel the enemies of our country and kin(d). On one hand you learn to live on less and expend less time on stooopid shit, and on the other hand you are contributing to the attrition of one of our foes. As nuts as he may sound at times, this is the most logical course of action.

I am learning. Aldi's mayo is as good as any, but their salad dressing is a bit heavy on lemon or something. Miracle Whip might be better, but is it worth it. Almost forty bucks to fill the tank. Will the premium get me enough better mileage or something to make worth my while ? I think not. I think there would be a difference but not enough to offset the cost. So I get the cheap gas. The car has it's problems here and there, but it definitely has some get up and go. How could the fuel be bad ? Well it could but I doubt it.

Then we got butter. I will not use margarine in any form, nor anything else with anything hydrogenated in it. So it could be ten bucks a pound for butter and ten bucks a tone for the very best margarine in the world, I will still take the butter. Certain things are like irreproachable, others are not. The cheap shampoo works well, but when it comes to the body, I only use Ivory. Cigs, back when there were cheapo brands that really saved money I would buy them. I would save my precious Winston Selects for after dinner and a few other times. I also went the tobacco and tubes route, and actually paid someone to make me cigs. Ten bucks a carton. It was about ten bucks for the materials and that was a fifty percent savong over store boughtens. It was worth it. Things have changed, the price disparity is no longet that great. So I stopped doing that.

So don't go thinking I was always a drunken sailor, this is not the first time I have thought about it this way. Thing is I have to adapt to another venue. Times really are tough, and I'll take any advantage I can get, within reason of course. Like today, needed buns, nothing else, but they had two for the price of one on these huge roasts and nice steaks. Well that was the reason to pay the money for the deep freeze. In fact I was considering getting another one. The money to buy it is not the problem, I just can't figure out where the hell to put it. Winter comes with deals on meat because less people cook out. I like to take advantage of that. I would like to have two or three full beef tenderloins by spring. I mean you hit them at the right time you get it for maybe at best these day,,,, seven bucks a pound if you buy the whole thing. Now go back in the spring and look at the filet mignons for over twice that in the spring or early summer.

Thing is it's like I am relearning this. Of course I am not going to buy two stupid sign for five bucks when they are two bucks each. But I had no idea just how things have gotten. The best deals are buried somewhere and the worst ripoffs are right in your face all the time.

Like thirty five bucks for a pack of razor blaes. Damn, what did the razor cost ? But really that won't fly with me unless those blades last like a year or something. It better be worth it. But equally arguable is why I spent $500 on a color laser printer, and refilling it is over $150 ! But think, I could print nothing for a month and the thing will still work. Also I get a hell of alot more out of a refill thatn those regular inkjets. All in all, it was a better investment.

And it pulls the juice too, six amps I think while printing. This is important because you need to put it in perspective, it is not constantly printing. So what it uses up in juice is very small compared to many things.

Like it costs about ten bucks a month to run a fridge. Would you rather have to go to the store every day ? If you have to drive there figure that into the equation.

But then touching on that, there are constant costs. Gas depends on how much you drive, but many other things do not. Start with insurance and plates. Go from there, anything can fuck up at any time. I am always on pins and needles here, because both vehicles have VERY expensive transmissions. One is a 4WD, the other is a stick with what is known as a Getrag tranny. It's not just the money either, it is finding one, a GOOD one and the labor to have it put in. This is no joke. Back in the day a tranny was sixty bucks and labor was paid in beer etc. Now you practically have to mortgage your house.

Do we need all this shit ? I recently scrapped a van. It was not so bad, not pretty but half decent raw material. Why did I junk it? It was a conversion van, and somewhere there was a short that drew the battery down. You had to start and run this thing every day or the battery would be dead. Nobody could find the short. I actually made money on it, but not much.

So do we need all this shit ? We kept a pickup truck, having three houses I guess that's not a bad idea. But with a van we could haul 4X8 sheets even if it is raining. The pickup truck will do it, but it's either tarps or get a cap top. I have already thrown away two, now that I want one they are the cat's ass and worth so much. The van would've solved that.

Waste and spend, waste and spend, when does it ever end ? We are really good at it, of this I am sure.

T

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RE: Prices from a dinosaur - 11/10/2009 8:24:35 AM   
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I wont buy everything at Aldis.  Tho they do have a money back policy.   The retail store is closer and some items the quality is worth the higher price.

But if I am frugal in some areas then when I want to spend more where suppose I can not go cheaper- it spreads out the resources.

Some of the cereals there are decent.  The cheese is good. 

I like a certain bread.   They do not sell it at Aldis and I will pay the higher price for it.  Tho they do sell it at the surplus store.  Watch dates on items. I run into more and more where the store does not bother to face the products.

It is easy to over do spending.   I dont really keep a list.  But I know if I proceed a certain way- I can eat much better on the same price.

My brother was surprised when he seen me do Aldis.  He thought it was only canned goods.  But most of what I bought was produce. And then set out some of it- to snack on.  Adds a festive feeling.

The other day I bought 25 large 65% chocolate bars at the surplus store.    That should last a month.  There is no HFCS in it- so I can eat that and not pack on the weight.

Lately I have been  too lazy to shop.  So- I been dieting some over it. 

The economy is blah but for the most part I dont think we are doomed just yet.   Just be smarter on where to allocate your precious dollars.

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RE: Prices from a dinosaur - 11/10/2009 8:40:46 AM   
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Gas at the corner (cheapest close to me..the CHEAPEST is clear on the other side of town) is 2.59 right now. 

L&M has a buy 3 pck special that ends up costing about 12.50.  Usually I buy an offbrand that costs less than 35.00 p/carton.
Groceries? well, I tend to buy as needed, rather than mass (I hate cooking,, fnally figured out that buying perishables was a waste of time unless I planned to cook it that day.



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RE: Prices from a dinosaur - 11/11/2009 4:05:34 PM   
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This tread made me think of my granddad.
He said he was getting much stronger with old age. When he was a kid of 10 he could hardly drag home 10 kr worth of groceries, but then at the age of 75 he carried 100 kr's worth in one hand. Well that was 20 years ago and if i pop in to Aldi or something similar 500 kr seems to be the absolute minimum. 5 kr = 1 $ US.
But we shouldn't complain.
When i entered Rhodesia (now Zimbabwe) first time in 1977 i payed 3 $ US for 1 Rhodesian $. The latest news i heard was the Zimbabwean national bank has issued a banknote with a nominated value of 100 million Zimbabvean $. It translates to about 50 $ US at the date of issue. With 4000 % anual inflation it is anybody guess what it is worth today.
Well i can honestly call my self a dollar millionaire. When my Zimbabvean friend was back to visit her folks last christmas she brought a handfull of 1 million Zimbabwean dollar notes with her back and handed them out as souvenirs. I stuck mine up on my bar
Well this price screew is everywhere. Just like property prices. I call my self a refuge from Copenhagen. When i was getting divorced we had a small purchased flat in Copenhagen. I was actually lucky enough to be offered a job 130 km south of there and i grabbed the chance. I actually move 35 km on the other side of the job and purchased an old farm with just a minor piece of land. Today i have a massive house, 3 more buildings to do a lot with, and my mortgage is less than if i purchased a 1 bedroom upstairs apartment in Copenhagen. And i live so the neighboors don't disturb me. Actually is not really true as here people know each other and help each other. In Copenhagen you can live for 10 years and never share a cup of coffee with the neighboor. That is totally out of the question here.

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RE: Prices from a dinosaur - 11/11/2009 6:07:44 PM   
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$6.15 for A pack of ciggies.


Oh goodness don't come to Chicago then. They are over 9 bucks here now!



Well, I'll tell you right now (and I ain't kidding)....when cigarettes get up above three hundred bucks a pack....I'm fucking quitting.



I'm with ya there Lookie, wanna quit together? We could start a club


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