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Goldman Sachs, Citigroup Got Swine Flu Vaccine - 11/6/2009 4:54:45 PM   
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Some of New York's biggest companies, including Wall Street giants Goldman Sachs and Citigroup, received doses of swine flu vaccine for at-risk employees, drawing criticism that the hard-to-find vaccine is going first to the privileged.

Interesting, considering our deployed troops have not yet been sent enough.

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RE: Goldman Sachs, Citigroup Got Swine Flu Vaccine - 11/6/2009 5:33:34 PM   
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This is what is known as "marketing".

A supposed shortage... for a vaccine that no one wants.   Well-  a large percentage.

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RE: Goldman Sachs, Citigroup Got Swine Flu Vaccine - 11/6/2009 5:35:19 PM   
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If so many folks don't want it, why are there shortages?

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RE: Goldman Sachs, Citigroup Got Swine Flu Vaccine - 11/6/2009 5:37:28 PM   
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If so many folks don't want it, why are there shortages?


Marketing.    Sort of like the cabbage patch doll.

Incidentally the plague has killed a bunch of people in the Ukraine, India also has some odd deaths.  There is no cure for the plague.

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RE: Goldman Sachs, Citigroup Got Swine Flu Vaccine - 11/6/2009 5:47:59 PM   
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If so many folks don't want it, why are there shortages?


Marketing.    Sort of like the cabbage patch doll.

Incidentally the plague has killed a bunch of people in the Ukraine, India also has some odd deaths.  There is no cure for the plague.



I was wondering how long it was going to take you to hear about that weird Ukraine business!


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RE: Goldman Sachs, Citigroup Got Swine Flu Vaccine - 11/6/2009 5:52:14 PM   
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If so many folks don't want it, why are there shortages?


Marketing.    Sort of like the cabbage patch doll.

Incidentally the plague has killed a bunch of people in the Ukraine, India also has some odd deaths.  There is no cure for the plague.



I was wondering how long it was going to take you to hear about that weird Ukraine business!


http://dprogram.net/2009/11/06/ukraine-and-world-pneumonic-plague-information/#more-23982


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RE: Goldman Sachs, Citigroup Got Swine Flu Vaccine - 11/6/2009 5:58:28 PM   
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http://www.unfictional.com/joseph-moshe-mossad-bioweapon-swine-flu-vaccine-westwood

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Does this sound like an insane conspiracy theory? Sure it does. Due to the scarcity and anonimity of the sources we would dismiss it as exactly that, if it weren’t for some uncomfortable facts: Baxter Pharmaceutical has been caught, red-handed, in spreading a live, genetically engineered H5N1 Bird flu vaccine as a lethal biological weapon all over the world, destined to be used for human vaccinations. This happened just a few months ago. And only luck prevented a global catastrophe of epic proportions./snip

It certainly makes a person wonder. 

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RE: Goldman Sachs, Citigroup Got Swine Flu Vaccine - 11/6/2009 6:05:52 PM   
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Yeah, the Joseph Moshe angle. I've been waiting a week to see if you'd get wind of it. Very weird, isn't it? Very weird. I'm not saying I believe it, but if he just picked the Ukraine at random, it's a hell of a coincidence.

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RE: Goldman Sachs, Citigroup Got Swine Flu Vaccine - 11/6/2009 6:10:02 PM   
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Yeah, the Joseph Moshe angle. I've been waiting a week to see if you'd get wind of it. Very weird, isn't it? Very weird. I'm not saying I believe it, but if he just picked the Ukraine at random, it's a hell of a coincidence.


The date on that is 8-31.    Ukraine land is the bread basket- it is prime farmland.   There certainly are alot of questions on this whole area.   Something like 90 scientists are deceased over 10 years...

Larouchepac has a speaker from the Ukraine on the vid section that gives one an idea of the country since the break up with the USSR.  It is an interesting peak into the politics of the region.

With some of the info - best to consider it for a bit before endless posts on it on a board that the interest in not there. I do keep up on it when I see it.  I t is possible to overstate a position, and I don't want to do that here.  :-)
- tho I will engage in conversation when it comes up.  I tho- seek to not- overly push my views.   There is being articulate- and being a pain in the butt.   I try to know the difference.


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RE: Goldman Sachs, Citigroup Got Swine Flu Vaccine - 11/6/2009 7:05:07 PM   
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If so many folks don't want it, why are there shortages?


Marketing.    Sort of like the cabbage patch doll.

Incidentally the plague has killed a bunch of people in the Ukraine, India also has some odd deaths.  There is no cure for the plague.


Do you mean bubonic, pneumonic, or septicemic plague?  That is curable with antibiotics.

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RE: Goldman Sachs, Citigroup Got Swine Flu Vaccine - 11/6/2009 7:06:37 PM   
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The date on that is 8-31.    Ukraine land is the bread basket- it is prime farmland.   There certainly are alot of questions on this whole area.   Something like 90 scientists are deceased over 10 years...

Did they work in Chernobyl (also in the Ukraine)?

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RE: Goldman Sachs, Citigroup Got Swine Flu Vaccine - 11/6/2009 7:17:42 PM   
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If so many folks don't want it, why are there shortages?


Marketing.    Sort of like the cabbage patch doll.

Incidentally the plague has killed a bunch of people in the Ukraine, India also has some odd deaths.  There is no cure for the plague.


Do you mean bubonic, pneumonic, or septicemic plague?  That is curable with antibiotics.



The lungs turn black- you burn up.  130 degrees, the lungs fill with blood.  100% fatal.  No cure.  No vaccine.



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RE: Goldman Sachs, Citigroup Got Swine Flu Vaccine - 11/6/2009 7:24:35 PM   
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The date on that is 8-31.    Ukraine land is the bread basket- it is prime farmland.   There certainly are alot of questions on this whole area.   Something like 90 scientists are deceased over 10 years...

Did they work in Chernobyl (also in the Ukraine)?



I dont know if they did.  Sorry.    This vid is less the 2 mins the CFR saying a shortage will push the vaccine.

http://dprogram.net/2009/11/06/video-cfr-admits-false-scarcity-tactic-to-get-people-to-take-the-h1n1-vaccine-google-chrome/

http://www.stevequayle.com/dead_scientists/UpdatedDeadScientists.html  



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RE: Goldman Sachs, Citigroup Got Swine Flu Vaccine - 11/6/2009 8:08:30 PM   
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Whats wrong with that ? In Wisconsin, everyone in our State prisons got the shot. Screw the little kids and pregnant women. Keep the rapists and murderers flu free...

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RE: Goldman Sachs, Citigroup Got Swine Flu Vaccine - 11/6/2009 8:21:08 PM   
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Does this sound like an insane conspiracy theory? Sure it does. Due to the scarcity and anonimity of the sources we would dismiss it as exactly that, if it weren’t for some uncomfortable facts: Baxter Pharmaceutical has been caught, red-handed, in spreading a live, genetically engineered H5N1 Bird flu vaccine as a lethal biological weapon all over the world, destined to be used for human vaccinations. This happened just a few months ago. And only luck prevented a global catastrophe of epic proportions./snip

It certainly makes a person wonder. 


That "caught red-handed" link comes from a site that believes CERN's work on the large-hadron collider will  cause "unpredictable risks to mankind".  Do you check a variety of posts on a site to evaluate the quality of the information?

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RE: Goldman Sachs, Citigroup Got Swine Flu Vaccine - 11/6/2009 8:22:12 PM   
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If so many folks don't want it, why are there shortages?


Marketing.    Sort of like the cabbage patch doll.

Incidentally the plague has killed a bunch of people in the Ukraine, India also has some odd deaths.  There is no cure for the plague.


Do you mean bubonic, pneumonic, or septicemic plague?  That is curable with antibiotics.



The lungs turn black- you burn up.  130 degrees, the lungs fill with blood.  100% fatal.  No cure.  No vaccine.




No one's body temp can get to 130 degrees.  Jesus.  You're dead by 107.

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RE: Goldman Sachs, Citigroup Got Swine Flu Vaccine - 11/7/2009 7:47:34 AM   
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Does this sound like an insane conspiracy theory? Sure it does. Due to the scarcity and anonimity of the sources we would dismiss it as exactly that, if it weren’t for some uncomfortable facts: Baxter Pharmaceutical has been caught, red-handed, in spreading a live, genetically engineered H5N1 Bird flu vaccine as a lethal biological weapon all over the world, destined to be used for human vaccinations. This happened just a few months ago. And only luck prevented a global catastrophe of epic proportions./snip

It certainly makes a person wonder. 


That "caught red-handed" link comes from a site that believes CERN's work on the large-hadron collider will  cause "unpredictable risks to mankind".  Do you check a variety of posts on a site to evaluate the quality of the information?



Of course the particle collider is a bad idea.    Man does not create universes.    The story checks out.   If you take the time and look- you will know that  Baxter is being sued.    If I over do the cut and paste then that is plagerizing.   Dr Horowizcz and Jane Bergermiester both suing the WHO.  One a DR one a reporter.    We have how many bio germ labs?   Many.  Baxter shipped taited vaccines more then once.   This is nothing to mess with.   You might have to do some digging on this one-- but it is pretty widespread.   And now I sound like a broken record.   Too early for that... I need coffee- lol.

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RE: Goldman Sachs, Citigroup Got Swine Flu Vaccine - 11/7/2009 7:59:55 AM   
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Just couldn't help thinking in my twisted mind.
In view of the recent financial crisis, and the fact that it is called svine flu, who should be more eligible for the vaccine than the bankers?

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RE: Goldman Sachs, Citigroup Got Swine Flu Vaccine - 11/7/2009 8:38:41 AM   
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Some of New York's biggest companies, including Wall Street giants Goldman Sachs and Citigroup, received doses of swine flu vaccine for at-risk employees, drawing criticism that the hard-to-find vaccine is going first to the privileged.

Interesting, considering our deployed troops have not yet been sent enough.



As the article states, not all the financial companies used the vaccine. Morgan Stanley, for example turned theirs over to a local children's hospital when they discovered that they'd been given vaccines when other, needier groups had not received it. I would question the group/agency that supplies the vaccine -- what criteria do they use to give out the H1N1 vaccine? Whose responsibility is it to ensure that (for lack of a better term) more worthy groups/individuals receive the vaccine?

From Reuters: http://www.reuters.com/article/GCA-SwineFlu/idUSTRE5A44QI20091106?pageNumber=2&virtualBrandChannel=11604

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"We never thought we would receive doses ahead of area hospitals and once this was brought to our attention, we promptly donated the doses we received to a few area hospitals," including Morgan Stanley Children's Hospital in New York, a company spokeswoman said.


I mean, I can ask for anything -- is it then my fault if I get it?

If rules and guidelines about priority have been established by the group who distribute the vaccine, and the companies/groups put in requests -- thinking prioritized lists will be in place and honored -- and the same group who established the rules and guidelines, give it to the companies ahead of schedule and ignore their own vaccine distribution rules and guidelines, that is their mistake (a costly one!).

Obviously, as other articles (the Reuters one in particular) point out, it was not simply financial companies who received vaccines too soon -- Columbia University did as well. When I first read about the vaccines going to the top employers in NYC, I thought "hmmm, I wonder if someone forgot to update some automatic script/checklist/etc that is in place during the normal vaccine cycle??"

It really is too bad that GS and Citi didn't seem to do the right thing (IMO) with their vaccines. I hadn't read about what Columbia did with theirs.


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RE: Goldman Sachs, Citigroup Got Swine Flu Vaccine - 11/7/2009 9:07:05 PM   
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Some of New York's biggest companies, including Wall Street giants Goldman Sachs and Citigroup, received doses of swine flu vaccine for at-risk employees, drawing criticism that the hard-to-find vaccine is going first to the privileged.

Interesting, considering our deployed troops have not yet been sent enough.


It really is too bad that GS and Citi didn't seem to do the right thing (IMO) with their vaccines. I hadn't read about what Columbia did with theirs.



I agree completely.  Morgan Stanley did the right thing when giving up their vaccines (although I don't know how or if they determined that the children's hospital was the best and neediest recipient). 

Even if the NY Dept of Health did incorrectly distribute the vaccines, you have to question why Citigroup would request so many, considering their own expert health departments should know from the well publicized CDC guidelines.  It at least has the appearance of looking inappropriate, and doesn't do them any favors at a time when everything that company (and others) does is under deserving scrutiny.

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