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RE: Managing your fears - 11/4/2009 7:51:25 AM   
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how do you manage your fears


By making the effort to have a profile and thus establishing two way traffic.

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RE: Managing your fears - 11/4/2009 7:54:38 AM   
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how do you manage your fears


By making the effort to have a profile and thus establishing two way traffic.



You don't 'need' to have a profile if you are not actively seeking, nor if you only participate in the forums.
Besides, you can contact someone even with an inactive profile, and would know that if you are bright enough.

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RE: Managing your fears - 11/4/2009 7:57:27 AM   
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Thank you Maria for your understanding and sharing with me your experience. Time they say is a healer, and i guess it does help. People don't understand this fear especially they say from me, because i have always seen 'spirit', but still going through this process is hard.

blessings
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RE: Managing your fears - 11/4/2009 8:00:29 AM   
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ORIGINAL: antipode

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how do you manage your fears


By making the effort to have a profile and thus establishing two way traffic.



That would be purposely disobeying an order of Sir's,. Not something i would choose to do, nor have i been looking and am not now. Always been here for the boards only.

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RE: Managing your fears - 11/4/2009 8:28:48 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark

Absolutely - and thank you for clarifying.
I don't believe that you are able to give commitment from the way you post and the way you are.  And I adore you so this isn't meant to sound condecending or mean.  I do feel you are moving forward without healing and faster than you are comfortable with and even if this man is ready for commitment, I do not get the impression that you are.  Anyone - regardless of orientation or gender, needs to be happy with themselves before they can give happiness.  And what I get from you is a fragility and fear of failing and loosing again.  But I may be wrong.

I have to admit, I don't get this idea of being unequal in a relationship.  That bit concerns me (with you).  If you can clarify that train of thought, it might help me understand.  Is this your thought on what makes a Ds relationship?(I am working on the premise that you are Ds).  Or someone elses?

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Thank you for bringing this up, the part i highlighted in red. Yes this is what i thought You had to do, which has added problems in trying to be submissive. i am very independent woman, a complex thinker, and one that people come to for advice. I have an artistic temperment, and prefer to do a lot by myself. My concept of a submissive was to give that all up, and then frustration with my first friend and now with Sir on this, because it appears to be clingy. i cant stand clingy and needie people, so i cant stand me sometimes. i always been known as a person to follow her own path, and one most could not follow. i am very strick on myself and discipline, but i kept thinking i had to throw that all away. Sir is attracted to the independent person i am and so have been the men and women who have been a big part of my life. Sir and i discuss, i cannot be micromanaged and he is not into that at all. He doesnt either. i just fall over my feet trying to understand what submissive is. Thank you for bringing this up, the dark. By the way i adore you too.
oceanwynds


 Do you have an *idea* of what *a submissive* is, that you're trying to fall in line with?

There are  a lot of grey areas when it comes to *clingy and needy* I am most CERTAINLY clingy and needy where HE is concerned...I DO need him......I DO cling to him..........but not at all times and in every way. I'm not sure what part of your post indicates *needy and clingy* though. You seem to be saying that being independant and self-sufficient in certain ways, contradicts being able to follow someone else's *will?

Some of the things you've said indicate that you have a certain
idea
of what it is to be *submissive* and are flogging yourself because you're not * like this or that* or trying to contort yourself because of an idea.

You said you're strict on yourself and disclipline .....Perhaps you have levels of control over yourself and your life that aren't going to be easy to shrug off...... and why would you? I wouldn't either. They are the things that make my life run as best it can. I can hand them over when it's clear that it's going to be advantageous to do so, overall. I'm not going to let go of the tools that are required to run my life because someone else wants me to....... When it's the time to do it , I've done it contentedly.

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RE: Managing your fears - 11/4/2009 8:48:29 AM   
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Dear oceanwind, I can truly relate to your fears.
I married very young and my husband was killed whilst I had our baby in arms. He is the only man I have ever loved up until meeting Stephen and I had always worn a coat of armor and sworn to myself that I would never go through such pain again.
I am now in love but that love has been tainted with fear of losing Stephen, not of separation but of death. I have said a few times on here that there is only one thing I fear and that is that tomorrow will not be as perfect as today and people have told me not to be silly and to enjoy what I have.
This is a real and founded fear but as time goes on it will lesson. A year ago I was really a mess with this and very destructive to the relationship. Six months ago I started to question my fears and talk about them and I am now in a position where although I still fear loss but and accept that will never totally go away, I can enjoy and embrace every moment together without a feeling of impending doom.

Hugs to you... this will get easier.


It does get easier ....The strange thing is ..after years of looking forward to being less affected by his death etc ....I THEN got wobbly because it WASN'T affecting me in the ways it had through the years.There's no pleasing some people....lol

This is the case for me too........" I still fear loss but and accept that will never totally go away".

agirl

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RE: Managing your fears - 11/4/2009 8:53:04 AM   
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There are  a lot of grey areas when it comes to *clingy and needy* I am most CERTAINLY clingy and needy where HE is concerned...I DO need him......I DO cling to him..........but not at all times and in every way. I'm not sure what part of your post indicates *needy and clingy* though.


Quite honestly agirl, I would be worried about my relationship if I didn't need Master.  I am needy and clingy when it comes to him.  So many times you see threads that negate that clingy and needy feeling or response.  I'd say, fuck it, embrace it.  If I wasn't worried, had no need for him and didn't have the urge to cling, then I would be concerned.

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RE: Managing your fears - 11/4/2009 9:28:30 AM   
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Wow, it's kind of eerie how your life in the past several years and my life have been so similar.  I am also 58 and was widowed 5 1/2 years ago.  I got involved in BDSM about a little less than a year later.  Gary and I met within a few months at the very first big event I attended.  He had had his lung transplant 4 years earlier.  I was very torn whether I wanted to get involved with someone who had such obvious health issues.  He came to visit me and asked that I go to his check up with him so that I could ask the doctor questions.  Then he headed south for the winter while I decided what I wanted to do. 

My decision was finally based on one thought.  I could sit around, keep my job, and play it safe.  On the other hand I could quit my job to spend however many years we had together and do some very fun things.  By the way, Gary is a full time RVer and he lives in his motor home 24/7.  He's also a snowbird, flying south each winter. 

Oceanwynds, life is way too short to not experience each and every wonderful facet it offers.  My late husband spent his last several years complaining that he couldn't do everything he'd been able to do when he was younger.  As a result he did nothing at all except complain.  He couldn't and wouldn't enjoy the good things of life because he wasn't 18 again.  I knew I couldn't live the way he had lived.

So I took a chance.  I quit my job.  I packed up 4 days of clothes and got on an airplane headed south.  So far we've had 4 wonderful years together.  In winter we live in an RV park in AZ.  We're surrounded by friends and a wonderful social life.  Gary works at the golf course and we both golf.  (I learned 2 years ago)  In summer we spend most of our time on Gary's 26 acres in Montana where we have quiet and privacy.  We take new routes north and south each year so that we can see new places.  We've been to nearly all the national parks in the west. 

If I hadn't taken the chance I'd still be doing the same thing I'd been doing for the past 20 years, living in the same place with the same job, playing it safe.  Gary's health issues never affect our lives except I will remind him to take his medications.  Unlike my late husband, Gary is a happy person.  He's upbeat all the time, grateful for however many years his gift of a lung will give him, even if he can't do everything he'd like to do.  I have never been so happy or content in my whole life as I am now.  Getting on that airplane heading south was a HUGE step and so very scary.  However, it is a step I will never regret, no matter how many or few years we have.  You just have to make that first step.  I understand how difficult it is to do it.  However, that step might be your chance at a life so fantastic that you'll wonder years later why that first step was so hard to make....just like I do nearly 4 years later. 

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RE: Managing your fears - 11/4/2009 9:29:37 AM   
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Clingy and neediness was beat out of me as a child, and pretty much adhere to as a 'sin' to be that way, in my growing -up years. There is a clingy and needing person in me, whom i wrestle with throughout my whole life. Pitiful i guess but when it is seen as a major no in the family that raised you, it is hard to let that part be shown to others. Yet she comes out at times and then i am beside myself. This though my late hubby tried to help with, but he too was not one to handle clingy people well. This will be something i will have to come to an understanding with down the road. It never has been acceptable, but to read what agirl and the dark said, i will be pondering it.

agirl, my concept of a submissive prior to learning about BDSM were women who had no pioneering spirit in them. They were people who didnt think for themselves and needed 'a big strong man' to tell them what to do. Since entering this these past 3 years, i know this is not even near correct. Now i am trying to figure out what it means to me. i had to reach in deep to see the submissive side, and then to acknowledge her, but i have had trouble embracing this part of me, because of past faulty conditioning and thinking.

Thank you both in challenging me to answer questions truthfully and giving me more to ponder on.

blessings
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RE: Managing your fears - 11/4/2009 10:55:53 AM   
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Thank you peppermint. Yes, i know that I don't want to look back and wondered if i would had follow my heart ...

I got some great advice and thinking material to ponder on. Sir will be over tomorrow and we will talk about some of this. He's a great guy and not pushing me.

Thanks for sharing, and yes it is eerie:)
oceanwynds

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RE: Managing your fears - 11/4/2009 11:53:28 AM   
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Oceanwynds, due to time constraints I will answer you bits at a time, so keep checking back here periodically.

*disclaimer*
Remember that these are my opinions, and you may think differently- and your thoughts are valid too, and of course you know yourself much better than anyone else on these boards, so you are the best judge of your own truths, by far... (-If you were a damn fool, that statement wouldn't hold water- but fortunately you are very wise.)*end of disclaimer*

I very much agree with those who say: quit worrying about fitting into some kind of "box o' submissive" and just BE YOU. If that is not "submissive", then fuck everyone else's definition because you don't need to fit it.

You need to fit your own needs/desires first, or you won't fit his, IMHO. Unless he's a selfish dom who cares about his own self-realization, over yours. If he's that kind, then he's not the right kind for you anyway, right? See what I'm saying?  Ideally, your needs/desires match up very nicely, so that mutual self-actualization is a natural result- IF you both are able to love and trust one another. Fear is fine, and its natural too. After all, you WILL lose one another in the end. (I mean we all die eventually, of course.)

But whether YOU die first, or he does: you won't want to have wasted time you could have spent drawing him near, with your worries and your fear. You won't want to have been keeping him at an emotional distance (which is tantamount to pushing him away) with what is left of the time you have together. I know that's why you've posted this thread.

How do I handle fear? There's a great book "Feel the Fear, and Do It Anyway"- and that's what most of us try to do, I think. One thing I do is try to limit the amount of worry, or fearful thoughts. By time spent, for example: "Oops! There's my (5, 10, 15- how much time do you want to spend?) minute limit of worries and fearfulness, for today. Now no more, until tomorrow..."

No matter what you do, if you want to change your thoughts- thoughts that have become habit to you- you'll need to be proactive, and do thought control. YOU are the controller of your own thoughts. When you catch yourself thinking those same old thoughts, past your limit of how much/many you want to, you'll need to have positive affirmations to put in their place, at the ready.

RIGHT NOW you can stop, turn away from my post, and write yourself a quartet of these affirmations, that you can arm yourself with. For example:

" I am not ruled by fear."

"I am the controller of my own thoughts and feelings."

" I deserve to relax and be happy with what I have right now."

" I choose to feel confident and hopeful about the future."

"I am wise, strong and brave..."

"I trust my own good judgement."


Make ones that work for you, and then use them whenever your worry/fear quota for the (hour? morning?) day is filled. You'll just simply use one sentence of affirmation as an axis to turn on: from the fearful thought, into a positive thought. Into a hopeful peace, and relaxation. Breath deeply while you change thoughts- breath out of the fearful, into the peaceful, and then let it out slowly while you feel the relaxation and peace settle in. Then another positive thought. Maybe something as simple as "I'm feeling calm and grateful", or "I'm feeling relaxed and hopeful". Then keep breathing slowly and deeply in and out, while you stay in your hopeful, confident, relaxed, positive state of mind... Until it cradles you, and envelopes you in its comfort... Deeper and deeper... (You can visualize the fear as a vision, fading into the distance if you like.... Feel the strength and power welling up inside you, as you yourself cause and allow your fear to recede... See how small and insignificant it looks... a tiny speck on the horizon, that you don't even hafta feel tomorrow, unless you want to... OR: you can just entirely forget about your worrisome thoughts from the first sentence of affirmation, if that works better for you...) 

Thought control. Redirection. It gets easier, with practice. Its a whole yoga, zen thing...

Okay are you ready? Turn away now, write four sentences to use- four seperate affirmations, and I'll wait here... take as much time as you need.





Okay now- got em?  


If not, its okay. I really meant it- you can take as much time as you need, to think about it. But if you think you have a tendency to over-think things, it might be a good exercise for you to give yourself a time limit (5 minutes, maybe?) just to see what simple truths you can arm yourself with, right now.
 
 
 
Maybe you already know all this stuff and maybe someone else will benefit more from hearing it. But I do hope it helps you think things through, right now. I think too many subs have self-esteem issues, maybe don't think they deserve to give and receive deep love and trust, and so that's the other thing I hope you take from this post. My affirmations above say "I deserve", "I trust", "I choose".... Those are the kind of empowering thoughts that I hope you will give to yourself, because you deserve to let yourself to feel how wonderful, wise, and powerful you truly are.


Closing thoughts:

Being in control of your own thoughts, feelings, and destiny, is GREAT! It is NOT un-submissive AT ALL.

Living alone is GREAT! Its NOT un-submissive AT ALL.

See the beginning of this post: Don't try to be a "sub-in-the-box." ENJOY being YOU!


And lastly, for those who don't know me here: I identified as slave, for the great majority of my life. So I speak with plenty of authority on the subject of submission, even though I've been a domme for the last few years.











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RE: Managing your fears - 11/4/2009 12:17:40 PM   
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quote:

Okay are you ready? Turn away now, write four sentences to use- four seperate affirmations, and I'll wait here... take as much time as you need.


1, I feel safe in embracing my submissiveness.
2.I can trust my own decisions, with the knowledge everything is a learning tool for me to experience.
3. I do not need to seek approval from outside me to know i am okay.
4. The need in me to love is my strength and will help me get through my fears.

Thank you so much for your post. It was needed for me to read. Odd how advice i give daily, is not lived by me. Thank you for mirroring this back to me.
Thank You dreamerdreaming:)
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RE: Managing your fears - 11/4/2009 12:59:02 PM   
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RE: Managing your fears - 11/4/2009 4:16:56 PM   
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Absolutely - and thank you for clarifying.
I don't believe that you are able to give commitment from the way you post and the way you are.  And I adore you so this isn't meant to sound condecending or mean.  I do feel you are moving forward without healing and faster than you are comfortable with and even if this man is ready for commitment, I do not get the impression that you are.  Anyone - regardless of orientation or gender, needs to be happy with themselves before they can give happiness.  And what I get from you is a fragility and fear of failing and loosing again.  But I may be wrong.

the.dark.


In my personal experience (widowed, lost my master) this has not been the case. In fact, the opposite has been true. The relationships I formed (well after his death) still occurred long before I was happy with myself. But they gave me happiness and confidence in myself. (I think it is rather natural for a former slave to do this, by the way, to deriver her self from her partner. It's the way I happily lived for many years.) These relationships were part of my healing process. :) I'm a lot stronger now thanks to certain people I got involved with when I was still actively grieving. The only bad thing about it was that it was hard on them.

I am not Oceanwynds, of course, and I do not know her history. But I share and emphathize strongly with her fear of abandonment. OW, I'll write something more on topic to you later.

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RE: Managing your fears - 11/4/2009 5:12:27 PM   
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Lost my husband to Cancer 3 years ago. We were not official lifestyle partners, but that's because we didn't know there was such a thing. i was also raised to be emotionally independent and self-sufficient. i didn't realize until after David was gone that i fulfilled my submission through service not only to my family but in my career (teaching and library). i'm happy when i'm caring for somenone. i've had two Doms and now have a play partner that is being wonderful about guiding me through this time in my life. You never get over it you just get further through it.



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RE: Managing your fears - 11/4/2009 7:25:49 PM   
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thank you dreamerdreaming
all trust and faith has been broken today  in me and all i can say is i tried. i have to walk away now from the boards because i don't trust my own judgment in people any more. i' m tired and and crushed completely. thanks everyone for trying to help. blessings to you.

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RE: Managing your fears - 11/5/2009 3:51:48 AM   
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Fear is fundamentally of the unknown. Fear of living, whether in a different lifestyle or relationship, arises when one fails to live as themself. As Plato quoted Socrates, "First know thyself." With that knowing, supported by the choice to live as one's self, fear subsides.

The unique thing about this "lifestyle" is that there is no particular "style" of life, other than just being yourself and respecting others.

The fear of a partner's death is based on the association that one's sense of fulfillment comes from that partner. In reality, fulfillment (love) arises in the only place it is ever felt, your very own heart. Ultimately, fulfillment/love is experienced by sharing it, not be getting it, not by bargaining of giving to get.

Post traumatic stress disorder is real. It can arise from a death. It is not to be overcome and repressed, but integrated into the wholeness of your being and life experience as neither good nor bad, but simply as the reality of life which must always end. Remember, a half glass of water is neither half full nor half empty -- it is 100% full of both air and water. One must forgive themself for their own pain.

Fear of intimacy is not fear of opening to another, but of opening the floodgates of one's own awareness of their feelings -- i.e., self intimacy. One who is established in self intimacy of their heart, mind, and spirit has no trouble sharing that with another.

Some professional counseling may be very helpful to find your own process of acceptance and release. Be Well.

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