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lucylucy -> need help explaining myself to my boyfriend (10/20/2009 1:56:35 PM)

My boyfriend wanted to play with someone else and asked me if I was ok with that. I said I was as long as he told me about it afterwards and answered my questions. He agreed to this. He played with the other person and then told me he didn’t actually want to tell me about it or answer my questions. I told him that I had problems with him changing the terms after the fact and his response was that there wasn’t much to tell. He refused to say much beyond that.

A week later, he said he wanted to play with this other person again, and I reiterated that I was ok with that but that it was very important to me that he tell me about it. His response this time was more along the lines of “I don’t want to tell you and you’re not the boss of me” (rough paraphrase). I asked him if he wanted a relationship with this other person or if it was just playing and he said it was just playing and that he just didn’t feel comfortable sharing all the details with me.

Today he told me he was “ending things” with the other person because he thought it was hurting me. I was surprised that there was anything “to end.” To me, just playing with someone doesn’t need to be ended, you just don’t make another playdate.

Now I’m confused (you knew that was coming, didn’t you?). He doesn’t understand why I’m upset about this. He thinks that since he’s no longer with this other person, I have nothing to be upset about. I’ve tried to tell him that his being with someone else never was a problem for me, it was the lack of communication about it, which I told him from the outset was important to me.

Does anyone else understand my point here? How can I communicate it to him so that he understands I’m not being a jealous girlfriend who can’t share?




mnottertail -> RE: need help explaining myself to my boyfriend (10/20/2009 2:08:07 PM)

actually I think I love you now...I understand.

this will ramble but there may be a point in there........

does he go for a boys night out? does he come home and relate stories, or the stories and jokes his friends told? aint nobody mad, or worried or jealous, because nobody is hiding nothing, and it is all out there in front of god and everybody....now maybe the play is he likes his ass whipped......and he sees it as demeaning when he gotta come to you and act the man, and maybe he is just all weirded out, cause you are taking it all so cool and he has no frame of reference for this communication...

I could go on and on, but------enough.

Ron




DesFIP -> RE: need help explaining myself to my boyfriend (10/20/2009 2:12:13 PM)

Well, did he have her permission to share details with you? Because that should have been negotiated upfront. I think if she's saying not to tell you and you're demanding he does, that he found himself in between a rock and a hard place. Which may not be a bad idea. Poly is difficult, as is having an open relationship and better you folks figure that out now then before someone gets emotionally hurt.

But some details you have to have. Was this play only or did it get sexual? Because if it got sexual, then your health is now at risk. And did you agree to sex or just nonsexual play?

And it sounds like he's worried that because you aren't even a little bit jealous that maybe you're not that into him. Ask him if he would be okay with you having a hot date next week and not telling him anything about it. Because there's this hot guy who's been hitting on you who you felt you had to turn down. He probably would be eaten up with jealousy and doesn't understand that you don't feel the same.




agirl -> RE: need help explaining myself to my boyfriend (10/20/2009 2:20:34 PM)

I like to understand and be understood. I can bear all sorts of uncomfortable shit if that's the case.

I don't demand it .......he's either interested in that or he isn't ........but KNOWING that about me means he has a choice himself. He can either have a girl that he can be confident is going to do her best to be level-headed or he can do things that put barriers across the road.

If he needs to have some kind of mystery(after the fact) then he's breeding insecurity, whether he likes the idea or not.

agirl





mnottertail -> RE: need help explaining myself to my boyfriend (10/20/2009 2:23:09 PM)

yeah, what agirl said, I told her to say that.

Ron




lucylucy -> RE: need help explaining myself to my boyfriend (10/20/2009 2:31:08 PM)

You guys rock! This is fantastic advice/insight and exactly what I need. Thanks!

Keep it coming!

(And you even made me break my own no-exclamation-point rule. Damn.)





agirl -> RE: need help explaining myself to my boyfriend (10/20/2009 2:39:23 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

yeah, what agirl said, I told her to say that.

Ron


I only ever say what Ron thinks I should. And in the voice of his choosing .....and I wear the clothes of his choosing as I type too. Skin only, wasn't it?..........lol

agirl




mnottertail -> RE: need help explaining myself to my boyfriend (10/20/2009 2:48:41 PM)

yeah well, I am a computer programmer so I get what I program for.




GraciousLady -> RE: need help explaining myself to my boyfriend (10/20/2009 2:49:05 PM)

I think I understand whats wrong here. The two of you had an agreement and that agreement was broken by him. This causes a trust issue and relationships are based on trust. Throw in he's acting in ways you can't quite resolve in your mind as making sense and your all kinds of suspicious and insecure. Communication is also important so talk to him and tell him how you feel. Quote his statement back to him about his ending things with his other playtoy because he felt he was hurting you. Tell him that is true and thank him for ending it. Wait and see if he breaks your trust agan. Or, you can just let it go and see what happens.

My point here is all relationships have flaws and bumps in the road. This may be a flaw in his personality that you may or may not be able to live with. It also may just be a bump. If things are good don't mess them up over one semi bad thing. You might do better to talk and then wait and see. But, like DesFIP said... If he is having sex with others he HAS to be upfront with you about what sexual acts he's doing and what he's doing to keep you safe. I'll go a step further and say he owes you an accounting of any play that might put you at risk for diseases. You have a right to know so you can protect yourself.




agirl -> RE: need help explaining myself to my boyfriend (10/20/2009 2:54:01 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

yeah well, I am a computer programmer so I get what I program for.


I knew you had an understandable nature......all I had to do was find it.

I'd been resting in you just being a total fucking weirdo. Don't go all boring on me now .........lol

agirl




mnottertail -> RE: need help explaining myself to my boyfriend (10/20/2009 2:58:51 PM)

Oh, I knooooooooowwwwww, I knoooooooooowwwwwwww.

Don't worry, I am never totally out of the woods.




agirl -> RE: need help explaining myself to my boyfriend (10/20/2009 3:01:58 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Oh, I knooooooooowwwwww, I knoooooooooowwwwwwww.

Don't worry, I am never totally out of the woods.


Worryingly.........I'm glad about that.

agirl




lizi -> RE: need help explaining myself to my boyfriend (10/20/2009 4:50:35 PM)

You and your boyfriend made a deal, he reneged on it. He has to figure there will be a reaction on your part of some kind. Just because he wants you to be ok with everything now doesn't mean that happens by magic. He should be doing the work of walking you through your concerns and discussing the issue till you both feel the relationship is solid again.




slaveluci -> RE: need help explaining myself to my boyfriend (10/20/2009 4:51:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: lucylucy
My boyfriend wanted to play with someone else and asked me if I was ok with that. I said I was as long as he told me about it afterwards and answered my questions. He agreed to this. He played with the other person and then told me he didn’t actually want to tell me about it or answer my questions.

Well then, in my eyes, he lied. He agreed and then he reneged. Yep, he lied.
quote:

I told him that I had problems with him changing the terms after the fact and his response was that there wasn’t much to tell. He refused to say much beyond that.

I would have had the same problem if he broke our agreement. If there wasn't "much to tell," why not tell it then? I would not have been pleased with this at all.
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A week later, he said he wanted to play with this other person again, and I reiterated that I was ok with that but that it was very important to me that he tell me about it. His response this time was more along the lines of “I don’t want to tell you and you’re not the boss of me” (rough paraphrase).

I would have said, "That's correct. If 'playing' with this person and refusing to do as I ask means that much to you, please have at it. Permanently, cuz ya won't be 'playing' with me again until you man up and do what you agreed to do."
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I asked him if he wanted a relationship with this other person or if it was just playing and he said it was just playing and that he just didn’t feel comfortable sharing all the details with me.

He should've thought of that before he promised to do so. If for some reason she didn't want the details shared, he shouldn't have played to start with if he'd promised you he would share. Sounds like he may have told you both what you wanted to hear just to get everyone to agree.
quote:

Today he told me he was “ending things” with the other person because he thought it was hurting me. I was surprised that there was anything “to end.” To me, just playing with someone doesn’t need to be ended, you just don’t make another playdate.

Yep, that's what I would have thought too. Sounds like it may have been more serious than he let on to you.
quote:

Now I’m confused (you knew that was coming, didn’t you?). He doesn’t understand why I’m upset about this.

Wow, dense. He "can't understand why" you're "upset" that he lied to you. Hmmm.
quote:

He thinks that since he’s no longer with this other person, I have nothing to be upset about. I’ve tried to tell him that his being with someone else never was a problem for me, it was the lack of communication about it, which I told him from the outset was important to me.

Seems simple enough. Don't know why he can't grasp it.
quote:

Does anyone else understand my point here? How can I communicate it to him so that he understands I’m not being a jealous girlfriend who can’t share?

I totally understand. I would break it down for him in very simple terms. The "playing" isn't what upset you. The lying and promising to do something he then did not do is. How hard is that to get?

All that said, I just want to add that I am the total opposite as far as wanting to know. Once I got open to the idea of Master being with others without me, my one stipulation is that I would rather NOT know. I'm cool with it but I just don't want to know all the gory details of everything. I've loosened up about that now but I still kinda feel that way. Not about the sexual part of things, but about the relationship parts of it. Regardless, if I had asked to know and He had promised, I'd feel deeply betrayed if He then changed His mind and simply decided to renege.

Good luck..............luci




pompeii -> RE: need help explaining myself to my boyfriend (10/20/2009 5:13:30 PM)

This is the fist time a woman didn't understand a man's response (and vice versa) I've ever heard ... :)

We people are all different ... we men are stock out of the box ... and you women are all over the map.

Any one of us, at first, doesn't understand the other - so we work at it (failing often but succeeding just as often).

Good luck!

Pompeii




windchymes -> RE: need help explaining myself to my boyfriend (10/20/2009 5:32:06 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Oh, I knooooooooowwwwww, I knoooooooooowwwwwwww.

Don't worry, I am never totally out of the woods.


*snort*

First time I read that, I thought you said you were never totally out of wood.......[:D]




NyDaddysGirl -> RE: need help explaining myself to my boyfriend (10/20/2009 6:03:19 PM)

Fast Reply

In my opinion, it's a trust issue.  You and he made an agreement.  You trusted that he would keep his end of the agreement.  He didn't.

Not only did he not honor his word, he then again made the same request with no plans to honor said agreement again.  The second request following on the heels of his not honoring the agreement as if he expected you'd omit the agreement this time would really not sit well with me.

Just my opinion.




lucylucy -> RE: need help explaining myself to my boyfriend (10/20/2009 6:24:10 PM)

Hey, everyone, thanks for the great advice. I had a pretty long discussion about all this with my boyfriend. I won’t go into detail, but I do have some resolution and am ok with where things are now (and I think he is, too).




Annabelle83 -> RE: need help explaining myself to my boyfriend (10/20/2009 9:55:31 PM)

Oh I just HAVE to comment here.

We all have an understanding with Master that He plays/has sexual contact/whatever with whomever he wants, as long as he tells us about it. No need for details, just that it happened. There have been several times that he simply forgets and we find out from the other person by accident, which makes it awkward for us!

I totally understand why you were upset. But other than explaining that it is the lack of communication - or willingness to do so, I don't have much to offer in the way of advice.




ranja -> RE: need help explaining myself to my boyfriend (10/21/2009 5:16:20 AM)

If he has troubles telling you about it afterwards... maybe you could suggest that next time (if there is one) you are allowed to watch?




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