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Pennsylvania Drafts 2009 Mandatory Vaccination, Gun Con... - 10/16/2009 1:37:28 PM   
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http://www.prisonplanet.com/pennsylvania-drafts-2009-mandatory-vaccination-gun-confiscation-law.html

What cock of SHIT!  Looking at the draft of bill  HB 492,  talk about onerous.

I see nothing in it over exemptions. 
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RE: Pennsylvania Drafts 2009 Mandatory Vaccination, Gun... - 10/16/2009 3:24:31 PM   
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You know, I lose all my patience when the note preceding this article contains the following:
"States are getting ready for the mandatory vaccination stage of the eugenics program, and Pennsylvania is right on schedule with Pennsylvania House Bill 492, the “Emergency Health Powers Act."

This conflation of eugenics and vaccination is a completely bogus conspiracy theory.  The Vaccination and Treatment section contains standard practices used in the case of an extremely virulent, highly contagious outbreak of disease, no matter the cause.  They left a bunch of stuff out about the penalties for refusal of vaccination (that's around page 29).

Critical parts of the act were left out like these:

To make such a finding, the Governor shall consult
with the public health authority and may consult with any
public health and other experts as needed.

(b) Construction.--Nothing in the duty of the Governor to
consult with the public health authority or the discretion to
consult with public health or other experts shall be construed
to limit the Governor's authority to act without such
consultation when the situation calls for prompt and timely
action. [note: in other words, if the world's going to hell in a hurry, he can declare before coordination.  BTW, this could be rescinded if the breakout isn't as bad as thought, and automatically expires at 30 days otherwise]

Regarding the firearms, they misread the act.  That section follows.

To control, restrict and regulate by rationing and
using quotas, prohibitions on shipments, price fixing,
allocation or other means, the use, sale, dispensing,
distribution or transportation of food, fuel, clothing and
other commodities, alcoholic beverages, firearms, explosives
and combustibles, as may be reasonable and necessary for
emergency response.

Please read the original act before believing these yahoos.  You can find it online.

I don't know what's gotten into you the last year, hunk.  You're falling for every single conspiracy to cross your vision.



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RE: Pennsylvania Drafts 2009 Mandatory Vaccination, Gun... - 10/16/2009 3:34:59 PM   
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To quote http://www.conspiracy.org.uk/ in relation to this matter:

"Virtual Site: Unknown"

I think you'll all agree with me that this sez it all.

Now if you'll all excuse me I'm off to check the weather report on www.itwillrain.com



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RE: Pennsylvania Drafts 2009 Mandatory Vaccination, Gun... - 10/16/2009 3:53:15 PM   
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Please read the original act before believing these yahoos.


You're asking a lot, considering who made the OP.


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RE: Pennsylvania Drafts 2009 Mandatory Vaccination, Gun... - 10/16/2009 4:17:34 PM   
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quote:

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ORIGINAL: thornhappy
Please read the original act before believing these yahoos.


You're asking a lot, considering who made the OP.



I have read it.

It is 41 pages.    Pennsylvania is a big state.  How many times has the whole state shut down due to an illness?  It hasn't.

The link to PA HB 492 is in the link.   I see nothing for exemptions.  The closest to it- is a sentence about local customs.    I see 3rd degree



(f) Penalty.--A person who fails to comply with the
provisions of subsection (b) or (c) commits a misdemeanor of the
third degree.
Section 2544-D. Vaccination and treatment.
(a) Powers of public health authority.--The public health
authority may, for such period as the state of public health
20090HB0492PN0544 - 28 -


emergency exists, compel a person to be vaccinated or treated,
or both, for an infectious disease subject to the following
provisions:/snip

On the bright side there is a blurb in it on due process page 26.

So that is good.

But any property can be taken.  and  there is no civil liability to the people who give the shots.  which are not tested correctly in the case of the swine flu.

Dont you get it?

Any time there is an emergency, it isn't.   Everything is an emergency, false flag.   The swine flu vaccine of course is going to make people sick.  It has mercury, squaline, aluminum, and in some cases- it contains the H1 or the h5 actual live virus.


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RE: Pennsylvania Drafts 2009 Mandatory Vaccination, Gun... - 10/16/2009 4:26:08 PM   
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I heard the nasal spray contains live virus but the injected version doesn't: to inject a live virus and call it a vaccine would be considered a violation of the trade descriptions act.

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RE: Pennsylvania Drafts 2009 Mandatory Vaccination, Gun... - 10/16/2009 8:41:07 PM   
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The swine flu vaccine of course is going to make people sick.  It has mercury, squaline, aluminum, and in some cases- it contains the H1 or the h5 actual live virus.

Wrong on several things here; first of all, the shots are killed virus, not a live virus. The nasal spray has the virus engineered so it can live in the nose, not the lungs.  (The same technique is used for the seasonal flu (since 2003)).  Second, there are no adjuvants (squaline), and no aluminum.  It has 25 micrograms of ethyl mercury (thimerosol) if you got a dose from a multi-use vial.  Studies have determined that infants could safely have 8 times that amount.

There's a concise rundown on the myths here.  Following's a brief listing from the article;  he capitalized sentences are the myth.:

SWINE FLU VACCINE IS UNSAFE The H1N1 virus revealed itself too late for it to be included in this year’s seasonal flu vaccine. But the H1N1-specific vaccine was manufactured in the same way as the regular vaccine: The shot form is made by growing the virus in hen’s eggs, purifying it and then treating it with a chemical that inactivates it. This technology has been used to make influenza vaccines for 60 years, and it has an excellent safety record. The nasal spray form is made by adapting the virus to temperatures below those typically found in the body. This allows it to reproduce in the relatively cool lining of the nose, but not in the lungs where it could cause harm. This technology has been used safely for more than 30 years. FluMist, a seasonal flu vaccine used since 2003, is made the same way.


THE VACCINE IS UNTESTED The H1N1 vaccine has already been given to thousands of volunteers to determine whether it could protect them from the virus and to make sure that it caused no adverse reactions. Only then did the Food and Drug Administration license it.

THE VACCINE CONTAINS A DANGEROUS ADJUVANT Some vaccines, like the hepatitis B and human papillomavirus vaccines, have substances called adjuvants, which are added to enhance the immune response, so that smaller quantities of vaccine can be given. Some people fear that the H1N1 vaccine contains, in particular, squalene, an adjuvant that, while included in other vaccines in Europe and Canada, has never been used in routine vaccines in the United States. But the H1N1 vaccine available in the United States has no adjuvant of any kind.


THE VACCINE HAS A DANGEROUS PRESERVATIVE Thimerosal, a preservative containing ethyl mercury that has been in vaccines since the 1930s, is used to prevent inadvertent bacterial and fungal contamination of multi-dose vials. H1N1 vaccine distributed in multi-dose vials will contain about 25 micrograms of ethyl mercury per dose. The issue of thimerosal received public attention in 1999 when the American Academy of Pediatrics and the United States Public Health Service took the precautionary step of asking that thimerosal be removed from single-dose vials of all vaccines. This was done in such a precipitous and frightening manner that it gave rise to the notion that thimerosal had led to autism or mercury poisoning. It hadn’t.

In fact, subsequent studies found that infants could safely receive eight times as much mercury as is contained in the H1N1 vaccine. But the public’s perception of thimerosal was damaged. This year, enough thimerosal-free vaccine is available to inoculate children under age 6, but that does not mean doses with thimerosal are unsafe.

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RE: Pennsylvania Drafts 2009 Mandatory Vaccination, Gun... - 10/16/2009 8:50:36 PM   
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When I'm governor, I'm going to confiscate the swine flu vaccine and make gun ownership mandatory. It's about time we get things back on the right track, damn it!

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RE: Pennsylvania Drafts 2009 Mandatory Vaccination, Gun... - 10/16/2009 10:20:42 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: thornhappy

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The swine flu vaccine of course is going to make people sick.  It has mercury, squaline, aluminum, and in some cases- it contains the H1 or the h5 actual live virus.

Wrong on several things here; first of all, the shots are killed virus, not a live virus. The nasal spray has the virus engineered so it can live in the nose, not the lungs.  (The same technique is used for the seasonal flu (since 2003)).  Second, there are no adjuvants (squaline), and no aluminum.  It has 25 micrograms of ethyl mercury (thimerosol) if you got a dose from a multi-use vial.  Studies have determined that infants could safely have 8 times that amount.

There's a concise rundown on the myths here.  Following's a brief listing from the article;  he capitalized sentences are the myth.:

SWINE FLU VACCINE IS UNSAFE The H1N1 virus revealed itself too late for it to be included in this year’s seasonal flu vaccine. But the H1N1-specific vaccine was manufactured in the same way as the regular vaccine: The shot form is made by growing the virus in hen’s eggs, purifying it and then treating it with a chemical that inactivates it. This technology has been used to make influenza vaccines for 60 years, and it has an excellent safety record. The nasal spray form is made by adapting the virus to temperatures below those typically found in the body. This allows it to reproduce in the relatively cool lining of the nose, but not in the lungs where it could cause harm. This technology has been used safely for more than 30 years. FluMist, a seasonal flu vaccine used since 2003, is made the same way.


THE VACCINE IS UNTESTED The H1N1 vaccine has already been given to thousands of volunteers to determine whether it could protect them from the virus and to make sure that it caused no adverse reactions. Only then did the Food and Drug Administration license it.

THE VACCINE CONTAINS A DANGEROUS ADJUVANT Some vaccines, like the hepatitis B and human papillomavirus vaccines, have substances called adjuvants, which are added to enhance the immune response, so that smaller quantities of vaccine can be given. Some people fear that the H1N1 vaccine contains, in particular, squalene, an adjuvant that, while included in other vaccines in Europe and Canada, has never been used in routine vaccines in the United States. But the H1N1 vaccine available in the United States has no adjuvant of any kind.


THE VACCINE HAS A DANGEROUS PRESERVATIVE Thimerosal, a preservative containing ethyl mercury that has been in vaccines since the 1930s, is used to prevent inadvertent bacterial and fungal contamination of multi-dose vials. H1N1 vaccine distributed in multi-dose vials will contain about 25 micrograms of ethyl mercury per dose. The issue of thimerosal received public attention in 1999 when the American Academy of Pediatrics and the United States Public Health Service took the precautionary step of asking that thimerosal be removed from single-dose vials of all vaccines. This was done in such a precipitous and frightening manner that it gave rise to the notion that thimerosal had led to autism or mercury poisoning. It hadn’t.

In fact, subsequent studies found that infants could safely receive eight times as much mercury as is contained in the H1N1 vaccine. But the public’s perception of thimerosal was damaged. This year, enough thimerosal-free vaccine is available to inoculate children under age 6, but that does not mean doses with thimerosal are unsafe.



All for a non-event.

The state has no business pushing forced vaccinations.  None.

Look into DR Horowizc who determined that the 2001 anthrax attacks came from our own lab.   Makers of this vaccine have no liability- NONE.
The people who make the drug them self is not taking the shot.

What a government does to other peoples- it will do to its own people. (a long history of this - nearly every government)  Color it corrupt- sloppy- greed-  it does not matter.   In the past 30 years- there is nothing reformed that they made better.

Oddly enough- I don't think people should have abortions.... and yet- in a regard the person has the right to their body.  But forced vaccinations are a terrible mistake.

The proposed law is a grab for power... and the false flag fear factor makes everyone a virus carrier which matches the presumed idea that regular people terrorists.

...such onerous laws apply to the peons- the ruling class follow a different set of rules- case in point- the obama cabinet a handful don't know how to pay income tax- nevermind that they now run the US treasury.

There is no safe level of mercury- the effects of the soft kill weapons- more less translate into many more poeple getting cancer.

How convenient....  that the collapse of the dollar comes at the same time as the first of a series of bio weapons.

...how many items escaped from a lab this year?

Be that as it may- government is not the answere to all problems....  which the current population is rushing toward centralized control.  Centralized control can never trump local  contol.

How many have been deemed lesser people in the 20th century?

funny enough-  Argentina, American Indians, Pastor Manning- is trying to warn others as to what is in store for the white America.   ...and being the history that is generous of them to reach out.

No one really knows fully what a monetary collapse looks like.    But it wont be pretty.  False flag events- Abub Greb- Gauntonomo Bay...  the blankets we gave to the Indians laced with disease-  super fund dumps near minority neighborhoods.

Anyhow-  I am not taking any shot.  Period.



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RE: Pennsylvania Drafts 2009 Mandatory Vaccination, Gun... - 10/17/2009 12:08:52 AM   
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I know some of you are old enough to remember the 79 'outbreak' of swine flu. the one where it wasn't really an outbreak but the cdc called it that anyways because...well...don't get between a bureaucrat and his livelihood. more people died from the vaccine than from the actual flu.

"To control, restrict and regulate by rationing and
using quotas, prohibitions on shipments, price fixing,
allocation or other means, the use, sale, dispensing,
distribution or transportation of food, fuel, clothing and
other commodities, alcoholic beverages, firearms, explosives
and combustibles, as may be reasonable and necessary for
emergency response. "

yeah...I'm pretty sure the bill of rights has something to say about a lot of that.


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RE: Pennsylvania Drafts 2009 Mandatory Vaccination, Gun... - 10/17/2009 5:23:01 AM   
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If you read the link you posted, this applies solely to emergencies. And btw, health departments already have the right to order quarantines for infectious illnesses. I'm old enough to remember the kid down the street being quarantined for whooping cough, before the vaccine came out. My mother and other friends left groceries on the door step. The older sister was at a friend's for two weeks, the father slept on the sofa at his company.

If you have a highly dangerous illness that could kill other people, you ought to be quarantined. I have no sympathy for people who refuse vaccines figuring everyone else will get them and they'll be safe anyway. My mother and my stepmother both were polio survivors and both suffered dreadfully as they got older due to post polio syndrome.

If you don't get vaccinated, or don't get your kids vaccinated, then you put at risk any elderly grandparent, any friend or relative with an autoimmune disorder, or one who either is or has been treated with chemo. I won't get this if you get whooping cough but I could spread it to someone at risk without even knowing I'm a carrier. And someone at risk with asthma is likely to suffer a deadly attack and die from your selfishness.

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RE: Pennsylvania Drafts 2009 Mandatory Vaccination, Gun... - 10/17/2009 6:04:39 AM   
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Abub Greb- Gauntonomo Bay...


Seriously? You can't even use google to see how those things are spelled?


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RE: Pennsylvania Drafts 2009 Mandatory Vaccination, Gun... - 10/17/2009 7:33:46 AM   
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If you read the link you posted, this applies solely to emergencies. And btw, health departments already have the right to order quarantines for infectious illnesses. I'm old enough to remember the kid down the street being quarantined for whooping cough, before the vaccine came out. My mother and other friends left groceries on the door step. The older sister was at a friend's for two weeks, the father slept on the sofa at his company.

If you have a highly dangerous illness that could kill other people, you ought to be quarantined. I have no sympathy for people who refuse vaccines figuring everyone else will get them and they'll be safe anyway. My mother and my stepmother both were polio survivors and both suffered dreadfully as they got older due to post polio syndrome.

If you don't get vaccinated, or don't get your kids vaccinated, then you put at risk any elderly grandparent, any friend or relative with an autoimmune disorder, or one who either is or has been treated with chemo. I won't get this if you get whooping cough but I could spread it to someone at risk without even knowing I'm a carrier. And someone at risk with asthma is likely to suffer a deadly attack and die from your selfishness.


The government is perpetually operating in a state of emergency.  Some emergency decrees are still in effect as we speak.

Ron Paul who is a MD is against this vaccine.  If you got the shot- then according to your take on it- you then are protected.

The government is not going to protect you.   (any more then the Jews, Gypsies, Gays that willingly climbed into the shower ovens.

We have endless wars going on- even tho- we had a large anti war base....  we see how the exit strategy panned out.

Forced vaccinations are poor public policy.

Selfish?    Well using carbon is selfish too I suppose - hence the new global carbon tax to fund global government.
Where centralized power- everything is decided for you-and not in DC, more like Bussels, or the city of London,  or as we seen this year-  Wall Street.

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RE: Pennsylvania Drafts 2009 Mandatory Vaccination, Gun... - 10/17/2009 7:42:44 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Loki45

quote:

ORIGINAL: pahunkboy
Abub Greb- Gauntonomo Bay...


Seriously? You can't even use google to see how those things are spelled?



You are a barrel of fun.   Of course I "could".  But I did not.   You thoughts on the Hardin MT detention center???

We do not torchure.  Bextra, is safe, as is neurontin, celebrex, we spend oodles on war- yet- a bunch of kids took down the WTC.   Talk about the goverment being competent.  

9-11  no one gets punished (incompence)
War based on fake intel-  - no one gets punished.
Bank collapse - no one gets punished.

See the pattern?

Wanting the government to solve any problem results in....  more reckless spending.   Goof it up and we send money.

At least my spelling was right when I dealt with my state reps office on Friday.

After we sink into 3rd world America- then we will take on old Europes awareness toward ruling class oligarks. ..mind the food supply and be on gaurd toward ploys to enhance the trillionaires..... oops

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RE: Pennsylvania Drafts 2009 Mandatory Vaccination, Gun... - 10/17/2009 8:16:58 AM   
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http://waronyou.com/topics/ny-nurse-refuses-vaccine-sues-cnn-reports-biased/

Health care workers in New York will no longer be forced to get the H1N1 swine flu vaccine, CBS 2 has learned. A state Supreme Court judge issued a restraining order Friday against the state from enforcing the controversial mandatory vaccination./snip
http://waronyou.com/topics/judge-halts-flu-vaccine-mandate-for-health-workers/

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RE: Pennsylvania Drafts 2009 Mandatory Vaccination, Gun... - 10/17/2009 2:21:08 PM   
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If you read the link you posted, this applies solely to emergencies.


yeah...I'm pretty sure the Bill of Rights has something to say about a lot of that.

quote:

If you have a highly dangerous illness that could kill other people, you ought to be quarantined. I have no sympathy for people who refuse vaccines figuring everyone else will get them and they'll be safe anyway.


I'm not going to get an H1N1 vaccine because I think it's a waste of time. this...epidemic or pandemic or whatever the media is calling it to entertain people and the bureaucrats are calling it to get money doesn't seem to be too terribly devestating. maybe I'm wrong, but I'm willing to take the chance. I'm also willing to bet more people will die from the flu than from swine flu.

quote:

If you don't get vaccinated, or don't get your kids vaccinated, then you put at risk any elderly grandparent, any friend or relative with an autoimmune disorder, or one who either is or has been treated with chemo.


sorry, not going to put my kid at risk because of anyone else. sorry, but I would like my child more than I would like any of you and would put them first. I'm selfish like that.

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RE: Pennsylvania Drafts 2009 Mandatory Vaccination, Gun... - 10/17/2009 2:33:01 PM   
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"Since March the 9th, 1933, the United States has been in a state of declared national emergency."/snip

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=State_of_national_emergency

....and from Wiki

The United States is officially in an ongoing (and effectively permanent) state of emergency declared by several Presidents due to multiple problems. For example, during the Korean War on December 16, 1950, President Truman issued Presidential Proclamation No. 2914,[18] declaring a state of national emergency[19] which would not end until September 14, 1978[20] as a result of the National Emergencies Act. Another example is one which began on January 24, 1995 with the signing of Executive Order 12947 by President Bill Clinton. In accordance with the National Emergencies Act, the executive order's actual effect was not a declaration of a general emergency, but a limited embargo on trade with "Terrorists Who Threaten To Disrupt the Middle East Peace Process".[21] This "national emergency" was expanded in 1998 to include additional targets such as Osama bin Laden,[22] and has been continued to at least 2008 by order of President George W. Bush.[23] There are a number of other ongoing national emergencies of this type, referenced at [1] and [2], regarding for instance diamond trade with Sierra Leone. Especially noteworthy are the ongoing states of emergency declared on September 14, 2001 through Bush's Proclamation 7463, regarding the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001,[24] that declared on March 15, 1995 with respect to Iran,[25] and that declared on November 14, 1979 regarding the Iran Hostage Crisis.[26]/snip

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_emergency#United_States


In any event- did anyone read the 40 pages- I am interested in knowing what I need to point out on Monday.  The bill is murky in places- too wide of interpretation.  The procedure to exempt is not in there...  nor is the fine and jail time.  Nor it is compete in the isolation venues.  When I called them a few weeks ago- nothing was on the floor or being considered.   Note that counties already have a disaster plan.   I revised and updated the county where I last lived some years back.

Keep in mind this bill is not only for the current flu but a number of other possible outbreaks.



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RE: Pennsylvania Drafts 2009 Mandatory Vaccination, Gun... - 10/17/2009 3:50:36 PM   
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I'm also willing to bet more people will die from the flu than from swine flu.

How much?

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RE: Pennsylvania Drafts 2009 Mandatory Vaccination, Gun... - 10/17/2009 4:36:00 PM   
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I might be misremembering, but I think I saw that (at least so far) that yes, more have died from regular flu. That could always change, though.

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RE: Pennsylvania Drafts 2009 Mandatory Vaccination, Gun... - 10/17/2009 4:52:38 PM   
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OK, first you should read the actual draft, from a source more reputable than prisonplanet.com
here is the link to the Pennsylvania State legislature-

http://www.legis.state.pa.us/CFDOCS/Legis/PN/Public/btCheck.cfm?txtType=PDF&sessYr=2009&sessInd=0&billBody=H&billTyp=B&billNbr=0492&pn=0544

Second the bill is written to give the State authority to act ONLY in times of a decalred "Public Health Emergency" like a bioterror attack, or outbreak of contagious disease. It defines "Public Health Emergency" clearly:

" Public health emergency . " An occurrence or imminent threat
of an illness or health condition, caused by bioterrorism,
epidemic or pandemic disease or novel and highly fatal
infectious agent or biological toxin, that poses a substantial
risk of a significant number of human fatalities or incidents of
permanent or long-term disability, where such illness or health
condition includes, but is not limited to, an illness or health
condition resulting from a natural disaster."

Among the emergency powers, it give the State the power to quarantine people, restrict travel, shut down businesses- in short, the kind of emergency powers we expect when there is a crisis.
The bill only mentions firearms ONCE where it gives the authorities the power to:

"To control, restrict and regulate by rationing and
using quotas, prohibitions on shipments, price fixing,
allocation or other means, the use, sale, dispensing,
distribution or transportation of food, fuel, clothing and
other commodities, alcoholic beverages, firearms, explosives
and combustibles, as may be reasonable and necessary for
emergency response
."

Now- as a strong libertarian, I am cautious about granting government any power it doesn't absolutely need. but as long as a natural distaster, or terror attack, or contagious disease outbreak are strictly defined and limited, I am willing to grant the government power to act "as may be reasonable and necessary for
emergency response."


By the way- if you are worried about overly powerful government- yo may want to write your Congressmen about the renewal of the Patriot Act; according to the Act, and subsequent legal memos by the Bush Administration, President Obama has the singular unilateral power to:

Tap your phone without a warrant;
Read your email without a warrant;
Record every single keystroke of your pc and website visited, search your bank records, search your library records again, all without a warrant;

http://www.nybooks.com/articles/23231

Throw you into prison without charges, without a trial or representation; (The Jose Padilla case)
Render you to a foreign country like Egypt or Libya where you might receive "enhanced interrogation".

But not to worry- while you are rotting in prison, your gun will be safe.

Worrying about black helicopters from the Pennsylvania Health department is the least of our worries. Unlimited power of the State to "protect" in the GWOT are a bit higher on my list.

[edited- while I was researching, I missed other posters making similar points]

< Message edited by AnimusRex -- 10/17/2009 4:55:04 PM >

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