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Fnyunj -> RE: How far can suspension of disbelif go and how do you get that far? (10/12/2009 9:43:16 AM)
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In short, how to REALLY REALLY REALLY lose your mind and give total and complete total control over someone willingly.
I think maybe you're either underestimating, or even unaware, the degree to which we ALL construct our own realities, in our heads, based on a combination of our perceptions, and our experiences, and that which is most comforting to us.
(understanding that there are harsh realities in this world, for example: like starving children in other less-wealthy countries, that if we were to fully "live" in that reality - most of us would be simply overcome with guilt and despair - so we deny, we rationalize, we minimize. . . )
Delusion is a fact of life for probably most people. And I think that most slaves, REAL slaves, have remained slaves simply because it was easier to believe that "truth", than the alternative: they're really human beings with the right and the wherewithal to be free, if only they were willing to take the risk and put up the fight required to become and remain free (even if it meant death). Many people will choose to die for freedom. Many others would rather die than face an unpleasant truth. (example: pretty much ALL suicides).
It's a mechanism that all humans possess; and most use, all the time.
There are certain mindsets and views we all cling to; and this is probably where you're seeing, as an inability to maintain "suspension of disbelief".
So - you can massage things a bit, manipulate the situation. Make the desired fantasy more attractive than the alternative. Come to believe the fantasy yourself? Be a better actor? Maybe you don't believe in what you're doing - so you even tell yourself that you're telling "insane lies" - - well, how are you going to convince your partner to believe something you think is an insane lie? And consider this: your partner may actually be believing it, and you're doubting yourself, and projecting that doubt onto her. That's a possibility.
Maybe the roles, the story, the set, are too ambitious, too over-the-top? ("corny" is one thing that totally turns me off in a scene). Try for things that aren't bending reality too far, and those will be easier.
There's also a lot of science behind this - and you can do some reading to maybe get some ideas. For example, in hypnosis, there is a test that can be done to a subject, to test their susceptibility to suggestion. Scening has a great deal in common with hypnotic suggestion - different states of consciousness, etc. (in my opinion, what some call "sub-space" is actually a form of hypnotic trance). So, some people are actually much more susceptible to hypnosis than others. There's a rating scale of 1-10, and those who cling most fervently to their here-and-now, are the ones who can not be hypnotized at all. Maybe that's an issue of fear, and trust? The most suggestible people are a 10 on this scale, and if you ask them to forget that they were even hypnotized, they will not remember. But with how hypnosis works - they actually CHOOSE not to remember. The experience is there. The memory is there. The neural connections exist. But they will simply refuse to pull that memory of those experiences into their conscious awareness.
Another example of this is trauma victims. People who have been attacked, raped, or were in car accidents, or abused as children, they willingly dissociate from reality, and often will have no memory of the traumatic event. It's literally too emotionally painful. Their internal sense of safety and security wont let them re-experience that event.
So this is how emotions play a very strong role in how deeply we connect to our experiences. And these are the tools that can be used to nudge someone one direction or the other, towards accepting an alternate view of reality. (no, I'm not suggesting using traumatic shock to manipulate someone into a scene - I'm simply using it as an example).
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