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Nausea from having hands bound above head - 10/10/2009 6:51:22 PM   
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So I was wondering if anyone else has ever had this problem.

First let me state I am very new to the lifestyle (about 3 months).  A few weeks ago the Dom I play with put my hands in cuffs and had them bound above my head while I was gagged and blindfolded.  As he played with me I became overheated and nauseous.  I gave the signal and he immediately removed the gag and cuffs, laid me back and gave me small sips of water.  I recovered fairly quickly.

Last night, I had a fair amount of wine with dinner then early this morning I played with my hands above my head.  It wasn't but a matter of minutes before I started feeling dizzy and nauseous.  The Dom quickly removed the gag and took my hands down, giving me water and sitting me in a chair. I'm fortunate my Dom is very patient, calm and caring.  Not once did he let this bother him and merely changed the scene.

I am not sure if the wine consumed last night caused a bit of dehydration that led to my nausea or it's a matter of blood flow causing the problems.  I am not diabetic.  I had my blood sugar tested a month ago and it's normal.  I do wonder if it could be low blood sugar, however, because my brother actually suffers from this. (Yes I'll have it tested.)

One other question... a friend of mine that I discussed this with, told me she had a similar problem the first time she smoked pot and played with her hands above her head.  I'm wondering if having a legal or illegal substance in the system could cause this

This is very frustrating to me.  I very much want to play with my arms over my head and hooked to a chain above but I'm not sure how to address this.  Anyone else have/had this problem?  Suggestions? Thanks...


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RE: Nausea from having hands bound above head - 10/10/2009 7:26:56 PM   
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I suggest laying off on the drinking, and other substances.

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RE: Nausea from having hands bound above head - 10/10/2009 7:44:54 PM   
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I find generally if I'm not fully hydrated going into an intense play session I either get dizzy during or after the high from playing goes away I feel sick to my stomach. It works pretty much the same as if I were working out. So if I know I'm going to play ahead of time I try to drink as much water ahead of time as possible. However, then this creates the problem of having to pee every five minutes. It really is a trade off though.

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RE: Nausea from having hands bound above head - 10/10/2009 8:44:55 PM   
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I suggest laying off on the drinking, and other substances.


Oh I will next time but my concern is, the first time we tried this I wasn't drinking.  I just felt overheated.


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RE: Nausea from having hands bound above head - 10/10/2009 8:52:28 PM   
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Any swelling in the hands afterwards? Have you had your blood pressure checked recently? Do you also suffer from motion sickness?

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RE: Nausea from having hands bound above head - 10/10/2009 8:57:23 PM   
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No swelling in the hands.  Blood pressure checked out when I had a physical last month.  Hmmm I had sea sickness a few years ago....

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RE: Nausea from having hands bound above head - 10/10/2009 9:43:32 PM   
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I've had the same thing happen; it tends to be due to blood pooling in your lower body.  More water, and some salt (really!) will help.

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RE: Nausea from having hands bound above head - 10/10/2009 10:09:11 PM   
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quote:

Anyone else have/had this problem? Suggestions? Thanks...


See your doctor. Trying to solve a medical problem on the internet is kinda...

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RE: Nausea from having hands bound above head - 10/10/2009 11:14:43 PM   
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My initial thought was could it be and adrenaline rush or nervous reaction kicking in. If you find no medical reasons they could be something to consider 

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RE: Nausea from having hands bound above head - 10/10/2009 11:29:56 PM   
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quote:

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Anyone else have/had this problem? Suggestions? Thanks...


See your doctor. Trying to solve a medical problem on the internet is kinda...



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RE: Nausea from having hands bound above head - 10/11/2009 12:05:57 AM   
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I agree that medical help is the way to go, perhaps OP you could phrase it to the Dr that your new job involves spending a lot of time working with your arms overhead reaching things?

As a sub, i have felt a bit faint in the same situation, from My knowledge of human biology, it is mostly to do with blood pooling in the lower limbs. Maybe your Dom will need to keep you stepping and prancing a bit while tied that way! Need to keep the blood moving. However, do get things checked out, it may not be that simple and it's not sensible to take chances. Good to hear your Dom has responded so responsibly though!

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RE: Nausea from having hands bound above head - 10/11/2009 5:50:38 AM   
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This is something I have not come across either. I was on the net earlier to several medical specialist friends and was asking them about it to no avail other then the universal thought about having a full medical, discussing this with your doctor and explaining what is happening and how. He may be able to recommend or refer you to a specialist who could help. My only other suggestion would be to ask the Dominant to keep a close check on you and have a box knife handy to do a fast release if it starts again and to watch you for symptoms of shock. 

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RE: Nausea from having hands bound above head - 10/11/2009 6:28:51 AM   
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When your hands are over your head, you are hyper-extending your lungs and chest muscles which makes it more difficult for the blood to circulate. Not only does that prevent enough oxygen from getting to your brain, it makes it harder for the blood to leave and make room for new, oxygenated blood to get to the places where it needs to be (like your brain!) Get yourself a copy of Grey's Anatomy (one of the absolute BEST BDSM books on the market today) and study up on human anatomy. Alternatively, a copy of Human Anatomy & Physiology by Elaine N. Marieb and Katja Hoehn is also an excellent resource for SMers.

Some things you can try - keep hydrated, make sure your electrolyte levels are normal, limit the time you are in suspension, don't drink the day before you play and has already been suggested, check with your doctor to make sure there isn't some underlying causal factor to your dizziness rather than the suspension. Google keyword 'cruxifixtion', 'blood pressure', or perhaps 'suspension' and arm yourself with knowledge. Consider with going the harness route if over the head suspension isn't viable for you or even short term inversion and other activities. There's a ton of stuff to do out there and you'll only be limited by your own creativity and your body protests. :) Good luck.

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RE: Nausea from having hands bound above head - 10/11/2009 6:39:20 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MaamJay

I agree that medical help is the way to go, perhaps OP you could phrase it to the Dr that your new job involves spending a lot of time working with your arms overhead reaching things?

As a sub, i have felt a bit faint in the same situation, from My knowledge of human biology, it is mostly to do with blood pooling in the lower limbs. Maybe your Dom will need to keep you stepping and prancing a bit while tied that way! Need to keep the blood moving. However, do get things checked out, it may not be that simple and it's not sensible to take chances. Good to hear your Dom has responded so responsibly though!

Maam Jay aka violet[A]


I second those recommendations.
Try separating the scene from the problem by trying to keep your arms up over your head for 10 minutes. Further help the doctor by trying the overhead with you standing and another try with you sitting and the arms up overhead for the same ten minutes. If the same problems develop, then its a medical problem that needs serious attention.
I like the fact that your Dom has shown that he truly cares for you by stopping/modifying the scene every time.
Here is something to let him know...
Try keep your wrists at or below the heart level. Can use a spreader bar at the waist to create that same feeling of helplessness and still flog your back and have access to your front. With the spreader bar attached to a piece of equipment, are you still going to move about?
Go to a ranch or equine store and get some panic snaps. He can use those to attach you to a piece of equipment. They will come off quickly, even if you pass out.
These are but a few suggestions to accommodate your situation until you get it checked out.

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RE: Nausea from having hands bound above head - 10/11/2009 7:17:41 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: BitaTruble

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When your hands are over your head, you are hyper-extending your lungs and chest muscles which makes it more difficult for the blood to circulate. Not only does that prevent enough oxygen from getting to your brain, it makes it harder for the blood to leave and make room for new, oxygenated blood to get to the places where it needs to be (like your brain!) Get yourself a copy of Grey's Anatomy (one of the absolute BEST BDSM books on the market today) and study up on human anatomy. Alternatively, a copy of Human Anatomy & Physiology by Elaine N. Marieb and Katja Hoehn is also an excellent resource for SMers.

Some things you can try - keep hydrated, make sure your electrolyte levels are normal, limit the time you are in suspension, don't drink the day before you play and has already been suggested, check with your doctor to make sure there isn't some underlying causal factor to your dizziness rather than the suspension. Google keyword 'cruxifixtion', 'blood pressure', or perhaps 'suspension' and arm yourself with knowledge. Consider with going the harness route if over the head suspension isn't viable for you or even short term inversion and other activities. There's a ton of stuff to do out there and you'll only be limited by your own creativity and your body protests. :) Good luck.
If prolonged, crucifixion kills through pulmonary edema, the lungs fill with fluid and you suffocate, if you have pre-existing circulation problems then you might get into trouble more quickly.

Wikipedeia is not backing me up on this however, I'll have to do more research - they cite dehydration and shock, but then contradict themselves with:

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Crucifixion on a single pole with no transom, with hands affixed over one's head, would precipitate rapid asphyxiation if no block was provided to stand on, or once the legs were broken.[link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crucifixion#cite_note-John-29][/link]
Which implies suffocation as the cause of Death when suspended with ones arms over ones head.

Note "rapid".

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RE: Nausea from having hands bound above head - 10/11/2009 7:23:28 AM   
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The Straight Dope contains a few suggestions:

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Lots of ways have been suggested for how this grisly process might kill you: exhaustion, exposure, heart failure, blood clot, pulmonary embolism, acidosis (the body's pH going badly out of whack), hypovolemic shock (organ failure resulting from drop in blood volume, due either to dehydration or bleeding), arrhythmia, hemothorax or hemopneumothorax (accumulation of blood and air around the lungs) leading to lung collapse.
Any or all of which is possible, depending on your particular state of physical health.

I would suggest attempting a different bondage position.

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RE: Nausea from having hands bound above head - 10/11/2009 2:56:51 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: BitaTruble

~FR~

When your hands are over your head, you are hyper-extending your lungs and chest muscles which makes it more difficult for the blood to circulate. Not only does that prevent enough oxygen from getting to your brain, it makes it harder for the blood to leave and make room for new, oxygenated blood to get to the places where it needs to be (like your brain!) Get yourself a copy of Grey's Anatomy (one of the absolute BEST BDSM books on the market today) and study up on human anatomy. Alternatively, a copy of Human Anatomy & Physiology by Elaine N. Marieb and Katja Hoehn is also an excellent resource for SMers.

Some things you can try - keep hydrated, make sure your electrolyte levels are normal, limit the time you are in suspension, don't drink the day before you play and has already been suggested, check with your doctor to make sure there isn't some underlying causal factor to your dizziness rather than the suspension. Google keyword 'cruxifixtion', 'blood pressure', or perhaps 'suspension' and arm yourself with knowledge. Consider with going the harness route if over the head suspension isn't viable for you or even short term inversion and other activities. There's a ton of stuff to do out there and you'll only be limited by your own creativity and your body protests. :) Good luck.


GREAT information.  Yes the Dom I play with told me creativity is the key and to not worry so much if I'm unable to do this.  Thank you again for sharing the information! :)


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RE: Nausea from having hands bound above head - 10/11/2009 3:01:48 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Midearthtrainer
I second those recommendations.
Try separating the scene from the problem by trying to keep your arms up over your head for 10 minutes. Further help the doctor by trying the overhead with you standing and another try with you sitting and the arms up overhead for the same ten minutes. If the same problems develop, then its a medical problem that needs serious attention.
I like the fact that your Dom has shown that he truly cares for you by stopping/modifying the scene every time.
Here is something to let him know...
Try keep your wrists at or below the heart level. Can use a spreader bar at the waist to create that same feeling of helplessness and still flog your back and have access to your front. With the spreader bar attached to a piece of equipment, are you still going to move about?
Go to a ranch or equine store and get some panic snaps. He can use those to attach you to a piece of equipment. They will come off quickly, even if you pass out.
These are but a few suggestions to accommodate your situation until you get it checked out.


Thanks for the suggestions I'll pass them along. :)


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RE: Nausea from having hands bound above head - 10/11/2009 4:12:08 PM   
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I suspect it comes from being stationary for a long time. I had the same feelings when I've been tied in an upright position. I'll feel lightheaded and a little nauseous. When released there is a sudden rush of heat in my body. But after sitting or lying down I feel better. I also usually have a few crackers to calm my stomach.

I've also had this same feeling when bent over a spanking horse or locked in a pillory for extended times. So I suspect that any position with the legs upright and immobilized will cause this problem. I've never experenced this in a horizontal lying position. So it probably is a pooling of blood in the legs.

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RE: Nausea from having hands bound above head - 10/11/2009 5:44:08 PM   
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You can try lying down with your arms over your head. I don't have nausea from standing or sitting with my arms raised, but I sometimes have circulation issues. So, it's ok for brief periods, or else my arms are bound lower instead to avoid it.

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