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Subspace vs. Post-orgasmic bliss? - 10/5/2009 3:38:57 AM

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Is there a difference? From what I've heard of subspace, it seems to me the way I feel after I have a really intense orgasm with someone I'm really emotionally close to, or when I'm really turned on in the moment of kissing or foreplay. Is it different from the dizzy lightheadedness of an endorphin rush or the way you let your guard down when you're intimate with someone you're really close to?

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RE: Subspace vs. Post-orgasmic bliss? - 10/5/2009 4:02:43 AM

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For me it is. I don't have memory lapses when I let my guard down, nor do I become unable to verbalize.

The only way I can describe it is that it's almost a dissociative state. He can ask me something, I think I'm answering on topic and immediately but instead it's several minutes later and my answer is totally random. Plus I may well not remember everything he did to me for several days. Like watching a scene lit up by fireworks, lights up, goes dark, lights up, goes dark and not watching with a steady lamp on.

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RE: Subspace vs. Post-orgasmic bliss? - 10/5/2009 4:16:45 AM

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it is very different for me the reactions i have the feelings everything uis very different . i become almost incoherent masters got to the point of following my rubbish i talk but its slow disjointed as for answering he says sometimes its so strange and nothing lie the question i also thhink i follow commands but he often has to help me aparently i take ages to register seems like seconds. its nothing like letting guard down . when i am there he can do anything he wants to with me he could smash hard limits but master doesnt and wouldnt. and like desfi said it takes a few days for the full memory to come back.

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RE: Subspace vs. Post-orgasmic bliss? - 10/5/2009 7:27:19 AM

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I'm just into feeling reallly good... anything that makes me feel good is just bril and i enjoy it immensely...

about memories and sex... ever tried to write exactly what sex you did for about two hours minute by minute the day after you did it?
I find it is very difficult to remember everything, let alone in chronological order and it might take me a long time to piece a relatively easy story together on paper... fun though, makes me relive it... and i might enjoy the same thing immensely again.

i also get the slurring speech as if i am drunk if He does really nice stuff to me with sharp things like the meat fork
and when He flogs me long and rhythmic on my back i feel like i am sinking into the ground
it's all verrrry goooood

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RE: Subspace vs. Post-orgasmic bliss? - 10/5/2009 8:13:59 AM

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To me, they feel completely different. There are also different forms of subspace - the endorphin rush during bottoming in a S/M scene without any power exchange, and reacting in a submissive way toward someone, even if he's not doing any physical play at the moment - revelling in his power over me, feeling bound by his will. Either one can involve sexuality, but it isn't necessary or intrinsic. I often can't speak coherently when I'm in subspace, especially the second form combined with the first one, and sometimes I can't even think. I haven't had that reaction from any vanilla interactions.

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RE: Subspace vs. Post-orgasmic bliss? - 10/5/2009 12:05:30 PM

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One of two things Elisabella:

a) We haven't found sub-space:
If that's true, it's not all that surprising. Carol doesn't react much like the other subs I read here and I don't go out of my way to be all domly. If there are some further extents of "subspace" that might be achieved through SM or some other path, then it's no surprise that we wouldn't know about them despite how rigid our dynamic is in some ways.

b) Subspace is just a specific label for a general concept.
This is my leading favorite guess, but it's only a guess. I think that the general category is "transcendental" and it happens whenever we get into a place where one "thing" is overwhelming everythign else. It can happen during quiet meditation. It can happen during wild sex. And, I presume, if the "thing" going on at the moment, front and center, was submission, it would come out expressing as "sub space". If that's true, then I see no difference between that and what happens to us pretty regularly during sex. We go into that "oooh, sex good" space where time and, for that matter, all of reality just gets left behind. The symptoms match exactly what Des said.

For me, this isn't any sort of "letting your guard down". It's my brain being TOO TOTALLY BUSY with other IMPORTANT things to bother much with trivialities like "am I ripping the shit out of my knees on the burber carpet" or "how many seconds/minutes/years has it been since Carol asked me a question."

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RE: Subspace vs. Post-orgasmic bliss? - 10/5/2009 5:36:24 PM

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I've made someone fly, meaning she achieved far-off subspace, where her eyes were far away, she was unable to speak, and she later described it as a warm feeling, where she was no longer in her body, but safe. I had a hand inside her vagina at the time, and she had no contractions. I felt confused for a moment, because she made "O face" but had no contractions. Once I saw where she had gone, I removed my hand, and covered her with a blanket.

I started a thread about this, maybe a year ago, asking if it was possible to achieve both orgasm and flight. Some posters responded, "Yes," but I think they were defining flight differently. I still don't know the answer. But at least with that friend of mine, flight is different from orgasm, just as pleasurable, and maybe a stronger sensation than orgasm.

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RE: Subspace vs. Post-orgasmic bliss? - 10/5/2009 5:46:22 PM

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quote:

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I've made someone fly, meaning she achieved far-off subspace, where her eyes were far away, she was unable to speak, and she later described it as a warm feeling, where she was no longer in her body, but safe. I had a hand inside her vagina at the time, and she had no contractions. I felt confused for a moment, because she made "O face" but had no contractions. Once I saw where she had gone, I removed my hand, and covered her with a blanket.

I started a thread about this, maybe a year ago, asking if it was possible to achieve both orgasm and flight. Some posters responded, "Yes," but I think they were defining flight differently. I still don't know the answer. But at least with that friend of mine, flight is different from orgasm, just as pleasurable, and maybe a stronger sensation than orgasm.

YUM.

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RE: Subspace vs. Post-orgasmic bliss? - 10/5/2009 6:56:05 PM

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about memories and sex... ever tried to write exactly what sex you did for about two hours minute by minute the day after you did it?

Aaaah yes. I have. My first ever bdsm experience lasted for four hours. It totally blew my mind out into incoherent, floaty, ecstatic, excruciatingly wonderful, OMG-I've-died-and-gone-to-heaven subspace. The next day, I decided it was so amazing that I never wanted to forget it and tried to write about it. It took me about two weeks to remember everything I possibly could and piece it all back together. It's extremely difficult to do that, but I'm so glad I did.

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RE: Subspace vs. Post-orgasmic bliss? - 10/5/2009 7:28:41 PM

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Wow that actually sounds kinda crazy scary. In a good way though? Maybe? Is it only brought on by submission or SM play?

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RE: Subspace vs. Post-orgasmic bliss? - 10/5/2009 8:35:12 PM

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In My experiences of subspace, both seeing subs in it as a Domme, and experiencing it often myself as a sub, I've found it to be completely different from orgasm. Different stimulation to get there, different feelings, different effects at the time, different after-effects. Basically just different! Both can feel very good but in different ways.

There also seems to be different types and/or levels of subspace. There is the ultra-focused experience, which seems to be a bit like athletes describe as being "in the zone" where the sub is 100% focused on their D and there's the sense the world could end around them and they wouldn't notice! There's also the more dissociative kind, often described as flying, floating, when the sub drifts in very deep and becomes incoherent, unable to think, speak, move etc. I call that Deep Space 9 and while yes, it could be scary, it can also be very releasing with a D you totally trust. As a D, I find it deeply gratifying to take a sub there knowing they trust Me that much. I've never really got into either of those sorts of states during actual sex or orgasm. At best the post-orgasmic afterglow is a bit like a very mild form of the flighty space, but really not the same.

I've found s-m play to be the most reliable pathway into subspace - spanking, flogging, needles, wax - although different stimuli can work for different subs. There are other ways that may work ... repetitive ritualistic behaviour - I've seen a sub space while brushing his Mistress's long hair, long periods of quiet and stillness - I've seen a sub drift slowly into space when left "alone" (observed but not stimulated) in a locked cage, gentle touch - I sent one sub into subspace from gentle repetitive stroking and soft words. So with all this, it's probably not a huge surprise that Jeff and Carol haven't found some types of subspace as from what Jeff posts, it seems their relationship doesn't incorporate s-m and possibly not some of these other mechanisms. Their's is a deep exploration of the role of leadership and they are clearly happy with that. Not everyone wants to or "has" to explore things in the same ways.

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RE: Subspace vs. Post-orgasmic bliss? - 10/5/2009 8:43:25 PM

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We do more sensory deprivation than pain play. I float from ropes, gags and blindfolds and a certain intensity of the experience. Some pain can do it if it isn't too much for me. But I find there has to be a comfort level in my surroundings. If I get cold, I won't float. Days I've been tied, gagged, and blindfolded and multiple orgasms can be the gateway if afterwards when I'm worn out I am left like that with a light blanket and him stroking my hair. That's not as deep a space but it's still one where I can't respond when he asks me a question. He judges my condition by how relaxed my body is. As long as I'm limp, it's a good space.

But my brain is not involved at these times. It isn't that I'm too busy to notice stuff or to bother answering a question, it's that I'm just lost in sensation and am unable to think straight.

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RE: Subspace vs. Post-orgasmic bliss? - 10/5/2009 10:04:01 PM

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ORIGINAL: Andalusite

To me, they feel completely different. There are also different forms of subspace - the endorphin rush during bottoming in a S/M scene without any power exchange, and reacting in a submissive way toward someone, even if he's not doing any physical play at the moment - revelling in his power over me, feeling bound by his will. Either one can involve sexuality, but it isn't necessary or intrinsic. I often can't speak coherently when I'm in subspace, especially the second form combined with the first one, and sometimes I can't even think. I haven't had that reaction from any vanilla interactions.

May i suggest the endorphin rush without the spasms, grunting, groaning, screaming, cursing and shouting!!!!

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RE: Subspace vs. Post-orgasmic bliss? - 10/6/2009 2:26:45 AM

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if im deep into space and flying i dont know if ive had an orgasm or not just feel so totally out of everything and in a wonderful place master says sometimes i do sometimes as you say looks like i am.

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RE: Subspace vs. Post-orgasmic bliss? - 10/6/2009 6:44:07 PM

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ORIGINAL: dreamerdreaming
YUM.

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Waving back, you sexy shiznit, you.

Here's the old thread. You might enjoy Master Fire's comment: "It can't be subspace if masters do it too."

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http://www.collarchat.com/m_2082717/mpage_1/tm.htm

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RE: Subspace vs. Post-orgasmic bliss? - 10/7/2009 8:47:06 AM

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ORIGINAL: Elisabella

Is there a difference? From what I've heard of subspace, it seems to me the way I feel after I have a really intense orgasm with someone I'm really emotionally close to, or when I'm really turned on in the moment of kissing or foreplay. Is it different from the dizzy lightheadedness of an endorphin rush or the way you let your guard down when you're intimate with someone you're really close to?

For me, I experience the two things differently. I can get into subspace from really hot sex sometimes. But most of the time, when I've got my post-orgamsic bliss high, it's very different from my subspace. In subspace I can't really think, I want to play with my ball and chew on my mousie, curl up on Valyraen's feet and just... thrum! In bliss, it's cuddles and love and a surge of energy.

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RE: Subspace vs. Post-orgasmic bliss? - 10/7/2009 7:50:24 PM

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ORIGINAL: looking4princess
May i suggest the endorphin rush without the spasms, grunting, groaning, screaming, cursing and shouting!!!!

Huh? Where are you getting that from? I'm don't curse, or shout, and very rarely scream. I just can't necessarily say "red," or "no," or my own name, much less complete sentences, when I'm deeply in subspace.

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