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Conversational mastery ? - 10/3/2009 8:06:43 AM   
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Who says you can't teach an old dog new tricks ?

Last night I was telling a joke and got flat out interrupted. This is annoying, especially the exact way it happened. And NO it was not someone bumping into another and saying "Excuse me" or anything of the sort.

Well I have a new technique for dealing with that. Over the years I have noticed that in many people are words, and in that, quality is almost inversely proportional to quality. I thought I had tried everything but now I have stumbled upon the solution. When interrupted I conveniently forget what I was saying.

In other words I have become a Man of fewer words, and try to make my words hold more meaning. Whether for entertainment or educational value, I try not to just ramble or rant. But this technique of selective memory is quite effective. Last night it left the person who interrupted me getting stared down by about seven other people. I didn't have to do a thing.

To think of all the times I resorted to yelling, bitching about it, even hitting people over it, and nothing ever worked. Strange, it's like all I have to do to get people to shutup is to shutup. It's also as if I am using the power of the people in a way, rather than exhaust myself on the situation, the crowd will rectify itself. This is because usually in a room at least one person wants to hear what I say, whether it's a joke or whatever, like an anecdote, things like that. I leave them hanging. They then cast a jaundiced eye on the interruptor. I don't ever have to lift a finger (take that whichever way) or raise my voice.

I was taught many many years ago that if you want someone to listen do not yell, rather whisper. I must report that after forty years or so, it is true. In spades.

So now I sit here smug as can be, wondering whether I shall use my newfound powers for good or for evil.

So I'll take votes/opinions on that, as well as if anyone has some similar experience or tactics. I heard of one years ago that was pretty cool.

Two siblings were always complaining that the other got more ice cream or whatever in the way of treats. So the Parent went out and bought a triple beam scale, I mean the legal for drug trade old style triple beamer like you used to see in science class. The Parent takes the ice cream and meticulously measures it out, to the tenths of a gram. By then the ice cream is largely melted, alot less fun. At that point the bickering will cease and things return to normal (after a time of course).

Martial arts is partly based on using one's opponent's strength against him, would that be a good analogy ? The difference here is that it is applied to the mind rather than the body.

And to think I never wanted to get old. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

T
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RE: Conversational mastery ? - 10/3/2009 1:21:48 PM   
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Yelling never helps ( although it relieves..lol)

For me moslty "I am not finished" works best...to get focus back when I was speaking or "you want to tell it?"

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RE: Conversational mastery ? - 10/3/2009 1:29:22 PM   
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... my last trip to Chicago mom and bro going into a rant.... as we drove to our outing. 

They noticed I was quiet- and asked me what I think.

I said- I just want to look at the scenery.

....there was no point getting into it -

I have the unsual trait that my face does not match what is going on- as I am 3 thoughts ahead of things and I drift... this can be a plus and it can be a huge disadvantage.

I think as we age we learn to stay out of the "here we go again"  verbal traps...

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RE: Conversational mastery ? - 10/3/2009 5:05:52 PM   
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This doesn't always work, however.

I tried for a long time to master the "silent bob" technique. Instead, I wound up being Donny from 'The Big Labowski'.


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RE: Conversational mastery ? - 10/3/2009 5:19:33 PM   
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For the sibling problem, one cuts, the other chooses. Have one kid scoop out two bowls of ice cream and the other chooses the bowl he/she wants. Switch roles next time. They will learn that if they deliberately put more in one bowl, that the sibling will profit by it. They will also learn that on average they come out even.

And when siblings squabble the most effective way to end it is to forbid them to play together any more that evening. They stop squabbling and unite in being best friends.

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RE: Conversational mastery ? - 10/3/2009 8:34:20 PM   
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I refer to it as "verbate," or verbal karate.

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RE: Conversational mastery ? - 10/3/2009 8:40:36 PM   
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I had a great time in high school where my best friend and I were always up to something.

One day- we decided we did not need dinner- not since we baked a huge double dutch chocolate cake- 2 layers and that WAS DINNER...  ..we were so sick of cake we dumped it in the woods.

Anyhow Mark would always cut his piece the same way.   Politely cut a average size piece- elegantly and dramatically- he would then take the what was left of the cake and proceed to eat.     leaving the average piece left for everyone else.   LMAO

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RE: Conversational mastery ? - 10/3/2009 10:47:33 PM   
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One thing strikes common, that is that silence is golden. At the last meeting of the sinisters (some Women we have), for a time I was pretty much silent. A couple of people asked me if something was wrong, dumbasses. Nothing was wrong, I was LISTENING. Listening to their plans and so forth.

Mama din't raise any fools, as they say. They have two minor tactical assaults planned and one party afterwards. By minor I mean there is no harm done, it means basically becoming a nuisance and getting away with it. After listening for a while I figured out how to beat the sinisters; divide and conquer. Cooking is the key. But I will not play that card as long as they follow the will of Termy's Terminal. If they operate outside of this influence or against it's best interests I have a weapon. What's more the best cooks are Men anyway. I consider it like a franchise, or a corporate shell.

And as blind as I may be, my eyes are everywhere. The useless are ejected like stems and seeds, while the useful are tended to quite readily. The trustworthy enjoy the benefits of that trust, like being able to borrow my car etc., while the untrustworthy are ground up and thrown across the ground.

Hey, how about we run the world that way ? Whaddya think ?

T

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RE: Conversational mastery ? - 10/3/2009 11:01:42 PM   
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I've been doing this for a while and it really does work.  The only added thing I do is, when the person interrupts, I politely say something like "oh, I'm sorry, you go ahead"....that way it enforces on the crowd that it was in fact an interruption.

Sometimes if you get quiet and just let them carry on, people forget you were talking and the conversation just naturally shifts.  With this method I've always had people basically blank stare at the interrupter, until they ran out of steam, then turn back to me and say, "now what were you saying?"

Works every time.

Silence is great.  I've been silent all week at work. (been a lot of childest, stupid drama lately around there and I just want no part of it)  Just staying in my office, keeping to myself and it's driving them nuts.

Keep up the good work...lot less ulcers and loads of satisfaction I've found :>

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RE: Conversational mastery ? - 10/4/2009 10:46:01 AM   
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Hmmm Drk. You seem to be on the same page, or maybe one ahead. Not only shut up, but call the whole crowd's attantion to the fact that you have shut up, and why.

So do we use our powers for good or evil ?

T

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RE: Conversational mastery ? - 10/4/2009 11:12:57 AM   
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I read in a book about manners that its not polite to start a story again right away after being interrupted. It said  that one should always wait until the listener asks one to resume. I thought that was strange. But in this context it makes sense.

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RE: Conversational mastery ? - 10/4/2009 11:36:25 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

Who says you can't teach an old dog new tricks ?

Last night I was telling a joke and got flat out interrupted. This is annoying, especially the exact way it happened. And NO it was not someone bumping into another and saying "Excuse me" or anything of the sort.

Well I have a new technique for dealing with that. Over the years I have noticed that in many people are words, and in that, quality is almost inversely proportional to quality. I thought I had tried everything but now I have stumbled upon the solution. When interrupted I conveniently forget what I was saying.

In other words I have become a Man of fewer words, and try to make my words hold more meaning. Whether for entertainment or educational value, I try not to just ramble or rant. But this technique of selective memory is quite effective. Last night it left the person who interrupted me getting stared down by about seven other people. I didn't have to do a thing.

To think of all the times I resorted to yelling, bitching about it, even hitting people over it, and nothing ever worked. Strange, it's like all I have to do to get people to shutup is to shutup. It's also as if I am using the power of the people in a way, rather than exhaust myself on the situation, the crowd will rectify itself. This is because usually in a room at least one person wants to hear what I say, whether it's a joke or whatever, like an anecdote, things like that. I leave them hanging. They then cast a jaundiced eye on the interruptor. I don't ever have to lift a finger (take that whichever way) or raise my voice.

I was taught many many years ago that if you want someone to listen do not yell, rather whisper. I must report that after forty years or so, it is true. In spades.

So now I sit here smug as can be, wondering whether I shall use my newfound powers for good or for evil.

So I'll take votes/opinions on that, as well as if anyone has some similar experience or tactics. I heard of one years ago that was pretty cool.

Two siblings were always complaining that the other got more ice cream or whatever in the way of treats. So the Parent went out and bought a triple beam scale, I mean the legal for drug trade old style triple beamer like you used to see in science class. The Parent takes the ice cream and meticulously measures it out, to the tenths of a gram. By then the ice cream is largely melted, alot less fun. At that point the bickering will cease and things return to normal (after a time of course).

Martial arts is partly based on using one's opponent's strength against him, would that be a good analogy ? The difference here is that it is applied to the mind rather than the body.

And to think I never wanted to get old. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

T


(An awful lo of words for a man with few words).

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RE: Conversational mastery ? - 10/4/2009 4:02:44 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Ialdabaoth

This doesn't always work, however.

I tried for a long time to master the "silent bob" technique. Instead, I wound up being Donny from 'The Big Labowski'.



"Shut the fuck up, Donny!!!!" Gawd, I love that movie and that line

luci

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RE: Conversational mastery ? - 10/4/2009 4:10:36 PM   
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ORIGINAL: slaveluci
"Shut the fuck up, Donny!!!!" Gawd, I love that movie and that line


Heh. I wince every time I see it.

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RE: Conversational mastery ? - 10/4/2009 4:11:25 PM   
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Wince? I'm sorry. Did you have your funny bone surgically removed?

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RE: Conversational mastery ? - 10/4/2009 4:40:00 PM   
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You could say that. To me, "asshole humor" has to reach certain levels of sadistic depravity before it becomes funny to me again.

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RE: Conversational mastery ? - 10/5/2009 10:53:20 PM   
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Who indeed listens to his opponents ?

Some say it is a waste of time, but others say it and don't mean it. The truth is that their values are so shaky that they are afraid of an opposing viewpoint. That it may shake their faith, whether deity or human.

These are the most dangerous people in the world. The type who go postal and shit. I am serious.

Listen to these people, and more importantly, try to talk. Talk some sense to them and I guarantee that they will interrupt you. And they won't stop. Unless you want to tie and gag them they will never stop. Ever.

Listen very carefully to your opponents, they might supply the key to their own undoing in logic. Is this fair ? I think so, if I said what I said it was my opponent's perogative to listen carefully, so therefore the opposite is true. Argue that.

So far I think I am on terra firma here. If that makes me a Master somehow so be it, but that is not the goal. I am just noticing that lately I do seem to h ave a hell of alot of influence on people. Well since I think I am right about everything I guess that is a good thing right ? And this time around (I'll have to explain that later), I truly want to be a positive influence.

T

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RE: Conversational mastery ? - 10/6/2009 5:56:34 AM   
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quote:

Who indeed listens to his opponents ?


Know thyself, know they enemy. A thousand battles, a thousand victories.

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RE: Conversational mastery ? - 10/6/2009 7:13:47 AM   
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I come from a northern English family that's big on the chat. Put my family together and everyone will be talking at once and nobody listening because they are all too busy thinking about what they want to say next. If you fell silent with that lot they really wouldn't notice! When my mum calls I can honestly hold the phone away from my ear for minutes and she won't notice but if I want to cut the call short I just start to tell her something and she will make an excuse to hang up!

Some people just have too much to say and don't have the capacity to listen. I would always tell them without hesitation that they will get there turn in a minute when I have finished.

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