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Genealogy and Homosexuaity - 9/21/2009 3:41:50 PM   
MstrPBK


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Status: offline 		I have been roped into helping some cousins bring our family genealogy into the electronic age. That part is ok. But as I put things into our archive I am going to be doing a lot of extra reading and I was wondering if any one here who has expertise in doing genealogy might be able to help me understand what to watch for to see the suggestive signs of hidden homosexuals within my families past. We seem to have decent, verifiable, evidence of lineages going back to the 1600's and possibly the early 1500's

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RE: Genealogy and Homosexuaity - 9/21/2009 3:46:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		The most obvious is no marriages. I'm not sure what else can be since it had to be hidden.

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RE: Genealogy and Homosexuaity - 9/21/2009 3:53:15 PM   
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RE: Genealogy and Homosexuaity - 9/21/2009 3:57:14 PM   
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...We seem to have decent, verifiable, evidence of lineages going back to the 1600's and possibly the early 1500's...


is any of your evidence in the form of personal diaries or letters?
 
this slave has been doing genealogy research as a hobby for a few years and really can't think of anything else (census records, church records, lack of marriage records or offspring, etc.) that would indicate it.
 

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RE: Genealogy and Homosexuaity - 9/21/2009 4:19:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		Divorces back in the early 1600-1700 were very rare.  I had one ancestor get one of three in Rhode Island in the mid 1600's.  I think the better thing to look at is a marriage but no children.  That might suggest the marriage was merely cover.  And the letters would be great to find also.  Keepsakes would also show something.  In later years after photography comes into play, check out how the husband and wife stand in pictures.

I have been researching my family for 15 years and looking for clues to family life.  Just my opinion if that helps.

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RE: Genealogy and Homosexuaity - 9/21/2009 4:28:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		From my hypothesis-   the bi male gene is passed down.   I think this because I see a hot guy ramming around- then later - years later- turns out the son rams around.    I do not note this per gay only some bi guys.

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RE: Genealogy and Homosexuaity - 9/21/2009 5:47:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		All your comments are interesting and worth thinking about. Yes. physical arrangements in pictures has been proven to be an relationship indicator from real life as shown in a number of actual studies. I am obsessed with that now as I look at any old picture of people. not to mention current day pictures. Reminds you to look at the faces too and there expressions.

Aside from a very famous illegitimate child (not telling who), a possible in family murder, two different links to Royalty (confirmed), and to what seems to be parents who changed their last name in the middle of birthing a family of over 10 children - it will be interesting to continue to read the research of these two cousins.

Feel free to post more on topic after this.

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RE: Genealogy and Homosexuaity - 9/21/2009 8:30:49 PM   
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what seems to be parents who changed their last name in the middle of birthing a family of over 10 children


This is common with immigrants who could not read or write and spelled their names in whatever way sounded correct to them or whatever way someone else may have spelled their surname.

When my mother's family came here to America from Slovakia, they were all illiterate. The person who took their names at Ellis Island spelled their surname by the way he thought it sounded but in reality how it is pronounced and how it was spelled were completely and entirely different. Over time my mother's family has spelled their last name at least 5 different ways since 1900.

As for the homosexuality part, I don't think there is any indicator whatsoever unless you have diaries or journals or first hand accounts from others. Just because someone didn't have children or were never married doesn't really mean anything. There could be numerous reasons..death, disease, work, religion. The way someone physically stood in a picture won't really tell you anything either since there could be reasons also such as a malady, physical abnormality, the way the ground was shaped on which they stood, etc...

I've been doing genealogy work for over 20 years and can tell you that most information people come across about their families is unverifiable and usually very unreliable, so be very careful about which information you assume to be fact and which is fiction.

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RE: Genealogy and Homosexuaity - 9/21/2009 8:38:38 PM   
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In the same way I sometimes wonder if heredity has something to do with kinkiness. While I mean nothing bad by this, both can be called abberations in a clinical sense. If a link is ever found, it would warrant further study into exactly why.

I'll be watching.

T

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RE: Genealogy and Homosexuaity - 9/21/2009 9:25:36 PM   
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In the same way I sometimes wonder if heredity has something to do with kinkiness. While I mean nothing bad by this, both can be called abberations in a clinical sense. If a link is ever found, it would warrant further study into exactly why.

I'll be watching.

T


You may recall me wonder about the geno project.   I don't think I would participate.   For over 36 years every new born - a blood sample is archive and studied.   They very well can make viruses for a specific group.   Even when the research is "illegal" they still do it.

...we only excel 6 of maybe 22 ??? thingies that if we utilized all of them we would be in better health.  

Mercury now a biproduct of HFCS.  and the lovely chems in the water supply.  Not counting what they dope the cows with and meat....
much of which is done to reduce the birth rate.    That is not a consiracy theory-  just policy.

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RE: Genealogy and Homosexuaity - 9/21/2009 9:58:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hunky, I also think the human race operates as one body, and that sex which does not produce offspring is a byproduct of the organism's reaction to the overcrowding. Now to say that unreproductive sex is more prevalent in areas with denser populations is something I can't prove, but try to disprove it as well. That also would not discount the possibility of some sort of link.

As usual, more questions than answers.

T

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RE: Genealogy and Homosexuaity - 9/21/2009 10:01:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

Hunky, I also think the human race operates as one body, and that sex which does not produce offspring is a byproduct of the organism's reaction to the overcrowding. Now to say that unreproductive sex is more prevalent in areas with denser populations is something I can't prove, but try to disprove it as well. That also would not discount the possibility of some sort of link.

As usual, more questions than answers.

T


Also, the human brand of "gender-blended" homosexuality is a useful trait for a pack species with a long natal period. Non-reproducing males with heightened pack-bonding and domestic instincts means more caregivers and social mediators to go around, as well as less virile, aggressive young males to compete against. There's likely similar useful ways for our genetic legacy to exploit lesbianism.

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RE: Genealogy and Homosexuaity - 9/21/2009 10:09:53 PM   
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But all kidding aside, OK there are more killings for example in densely populated areas. OK fine, but the thing is is that there are more killings PER CAPITA in more densely populated areas.What I am saying is that I think there is more to it than just people getting on one another's nerves.

T

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RE: Genealogy and Homosexuaity - 9/22/2009 11:08:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		Deaths can happen due to social and political unrest too. Such as the Dr. John Gorsuch in 1647 who spoke to loudly as a Royalist. He was found 'mysteriously' in a haystack - dead; according to family records. What this boils down to on a objective level a population zone can not be a objective ruler as to why and how the person dies. It is however might suggest a persons preference of where they were comfortable; country vs larger town or even city life (haystacks not included ... ).

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RE: Genealogy and Homosexuaity - 9/23/2009 8:47:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		Early photographs cannot be counted as evidence. In the beginning of photography the people had to stay still for up to half an hour. Nobody pins a smile on their face or a loving look for that long, it's just too uncomfortable.

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RE: Genealogy and Homosexuaity - 9/24/2009 3:33:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		Whatever forbidden behaviors are hidden from ages past will likely remain undiscovered.  The lack of written or photographic evidence or first hand testimony are major problems.

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RE: Genealogy and Homosexuaity - 9/24/2009 7:09:46 AM   
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I always figured that tight genes had something to do with it.

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RE: Genealogy and Homosexuaity - 9/24/2009 9:43:57 AM   
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Early photographs cannot be counted as evidence. In the beginning of photography the people had to stay still for up to half an hour. Nobody pins a smile on their face or a loving look for that long, it's just too uncomfortable.


I have a lot of early photography of family members and was horrified to find out recently that in one of the pictures (a family portrait) one of the children is dead but has been propped up posing as though he is still alive.
A lot of families only had pictures taken after death and the pictures often depicted them as alive.
Because the pictures were such long exposures, if anything moves during that exposure you will get a slight blurring. In the picture I have the dead child (who obviously remains still) comes out much clearer.

http://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/archives/32946

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