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Deaf/Mute Submissive / Slave profiles - 9/8/2009 9:05:20 PM

Pentheus

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To start with, let me say that the purpose of this post is in no way an attempt to be insensitive to those who are truly in fact speech or hearing impaired. One of my very best friends in the entire world is hearing impaired. In fact the purpose of this post is quite the opposite. Let me explain.

Has anyone noticed the increase lately in the large number of profiles that have cropped up lately showing attractive young submissive women that supposedly are either mute or deaf? I have a theory about this. In perusing the profiles I have noticed at least 15-20 and the number seems to be increasing.

It is my belief that many of these profiles are being perpetuated by scammers from Nigeria or other countries, attempting to establish a relationship and then con people into sending money in order to "provide transportation" or their other needs. As if these scammers were not insidious enough, now they have hit a new low in posing not only as women, but as deaf or mute women. Think about it. Usually once that contact has been established, one of the first things that the man who is writing the girl wants to do is to talk to them in person to verify that they are real and sincere. The scammers have figured out that by posing as either deafs or mutes, they can get around the problem of establishing verbal communications. These Nigerians earn perhaps 50-100 dollars a year, so if they can score even a few dollars here and there it is well worth their time. I just feel that in posing as deaf / mute women, they are doing it in very poor taste, and further exploiting a very misunderstood part of our society. I for one am a little angered by this.

I really wonder how many of these profiles on this site are real and genuine, and what might be able to be done to verify the identities of those posting profiles or to provide some kind of "verified" logo on the profiles indicating those members that have provided some means of verifying their identity to the administrators of the website. Such measures would prevent the scammers from using this site to proliferate their tacky and misleading profiles.

I wish you well

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RE: Deaf/Mute Submissive / Slave profiles - 9/8/2009 9:28:43 PM

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But deaf and mute people CAN "talk" on the phone. There is some sort of service that you can type into and a person reads it out to the person on the other end of the phone and then can type the reply so that the deaf and/or mute person can read it.

I cannot remember what this service is called.

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RE: Deaf/Mute Submissive / Slave profiles - 9/8/2009 9:38:41 PM

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TTY and I used it a few times with clients when I worked in retail.

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RE: Deaf/Mute Submissive / Slave profiles - 9/8/2009 9:42:30 PM

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Aylee, thanks for the post. The device is called TDD. Or telephone device for the deaf. Some devices have the ability to take the voice of the one who is speaking, and to convert it from speech into text which is then printed out on the other end. The person on the other end that is speech / hearing impaired can then type a response in on a typrewiter looking keyboard. Then the text is eaither transmitted to the other end where it is printed out on a similar device or else converted in to speech via a text to speech method. When people on both ends are hearing impaired they would each have a TDD device, or more likely would just chat using instant messaging.

The main thing here is that no human voice is ever heard from the other end, and in most cases, if people can chat online, what is the advantage of the TDD? My point is this. It would be so cumbersome to even find a TDD device to allow the man who is trying to communicate with the submissive on the other end, and they are not going to be able to hear their voice anyway, so the scammers have won the verbal battle by eliminating the ability of their victims to talk with them.

I have been reading other posts. It seems that a majority of the submissive / slave profiles on here are fakes, especially the females. Whether or not they were penned by scammers or not, portraying themselves as a non-existant person is wrong. portraying themselves as deafs or mutes makes it doubly so.

I wish you well,

Pentheus

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RE: Deaf/Mute Submissive / Slave profiles - 9/8/2009 9:44:06 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Pentheus

I have been reading other posts. It seems that a majority of the submissive / slave profiles on here are fakes. Whether or not they were penned by scammers or not, prtraying themselves as a non-existant person is bad enough. portraying themselves as deafs or mutes makes it doubly so.

I wish you well,

Pentheus

I don't agree with that I think (my own personal opinion of course) that there are several wonderful submissives and slaves on this site committed to what they believe in. Do you make the assumption that the majority of those types of profiles are fakes because of your own personal experiences or because of what you have read? What works for you may not float someone else's boat annnnnnnnd just because that happens to be the case doesn't mean they are fake

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RE: Deaf/Mute Submissive / Slave profiles - 9/8/2009 9:49:11 PM

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You most likely have to have a doctor's note or something to have the TTY or TDD service, so this means that scammers would not have them readily available. Especially ones from Ghana or Nigeria.

I do agree that pretending to a physicall disability is disgusting. I also find those that self-diagnose with a mental disability disgusting. (Having bi-polar or depression or whatnot at times seems like the "cool" thing to have. . . but that is another rant.)

Of course there is always the possibilty of tapping on the phone for communication. One tap for yes, two taps for no.

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The main thing here is that no human voice is ever heard from the other end, and in most cases, if people can chat online, what is the advantage of the TDD? My point is this. It would be so cumbersome to even find a TDD device that is not going to allow the man who is trying to communicate with the submissive on the other end, and they are not going to be able to hear their voice anyway, so the scammers have won the verbal battle by eliminating the ability of their victims to talk with them.

I would like to point out that if an s-type is mute, you would never hear hir voice anyways.

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RE: Deaf/Mute Submissive / Slave profiles - 9/8/2009 10:01:19 PM

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ImpishHellCat. I completely agree that there are a LOT of wonderful submissives and slaves on this site. What I am saying is that from a purely statistical standpoint, if we were able to know the entire truth as far as which profiles are real and how many are fake, I would say that the real ones: A) have at least a few if not many friends. B) post in the forums and C) have the ability to write their profile without penning it in broken english. Most of the Sub / slave profiles on here don't meet this basic criteria, and so are posibly if not probably fakes. Even many forum posts on here agree that a good many of the female sub /slave profiles on here are fakes.

I think that truth be known that there are probably as many if not more of the profiles for the female subs and slaves that are fakes than are the real ones on here. I mean no disrespect whatsoever to those who are genuine and real. My gripe if with those that post the fake profiles, and particularily that do so and state that they are deaf or mute. Which I have seen a large increase in lately.

How do you feel about putting some kind of verification process into place so that those who wanted to provide verification to the admins of the site could do so, and in turn get some kind of "verified" symbol on their profile? Or would that be too much of an administrative headache?

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RE: Deaf/Mute Submissive / Slave profiles - 9/8/2009 10:03:19 PM

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I responded to this thread, but after reading what I typed I deleted it, as a former VCO user, I quit and just let them text me or e-mail me if they ever do or will LOL.

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RE: Deaf/Mute Submissive / Slave profiles - 9/8/2009 10:06:19 PM

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Aylee, of course the scammers are not going to have access to a TTY/TDD. That is the whole point. They don't need one. Simply by virtue of saying that they are either deaf or mute, the scammers and fakers don't have to deal with the issue of their victims wanting to talk with them in realtime and hear their voice. That was one of the points I was making.

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RE: Deaf/Mute Submissive / Slave profiles - 9/8/2009 10:09:59 PM

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Flogger, thanks for your reply. From your profile I see that you are hearing impaired. Also I am curious what your opinion is about all of the recent profiles that have been popping up all over the place for the speech/ hearing impaired subs / slaves? Being Hearing Impaired. I am sure that you probably know American Sign Language. As such, have you emailed any of these hearing speech impaired women, and what has been your experience?

Pentheus

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RE: Deaf/Mute Submissive / Slave profiles - 9/8/2009 10:52:25 PM

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I have a speech defect to where I have a Germanic accent (live in TX), I know some ASL and I have been DXed as bipolar by a p-doc and the SS people finally got fed up with me filing appeals to get my SSI. I was declared by an administrative judge as being disabled due to the rapid cycling I have to endure. I am just waiting for my award letter so I can get my Medicaid so I can get my meds from the drugstore and not from the local MHMR (still get therapy though). The p-docs finally found the drug regime that works for me though I hate having my hair falling out.

Right now, I take it one step at a time. I find myself weeping for no reason. I get into major housecleaning spurts though the house is clean. I am addicted to the computer and being online.

Another way to tell if some of these girls are scammers is if the profile is poorly written, claims to looking for her daddy dom, has gone back to Ghana (or other country in africa) for funeral and now needs money to get back home (apparently they don't know what round-trip means). Of course, I ignore any emails from scammers and just block and delete them.

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RE: Deaf/Mute Submissive / Slave profiles - 9/8/2009 11:59:38 PM

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None of this is new, Pentheus. Scammers have been putting up profiles on dating sites claiming to be deaf and/or mute for ages. They also have been known to target social sites for the hearing impaired, trolling for victims. This has been going on for as long as their have been scammers and dating sites on the internet.

The next point is that the scammers often DO call their victims at least once or twice, using an IP relay service. This lets the scammer kick back in the internet cafe and type out his (often supposedly her) half of the conversation, and read the other half. The victim falls for it, because the service is real, and many people have received calls from those using the service because they are hearing/ speech impaired. Operators working for these services are not allowed to say anything but what is typed on the screen, and are fired if they warn the victim in any way. Many have been fired for calling the victim after they get off work to warn him/ her of the scam, or quit because they can't take the stress of knowing that people are being scammed. Last I checked, there were even some online support groups for the operators.

That said:

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I really wonder how many of these profiles on this site are real and genuine, and what might be able to be done to verify the identities of those posting profiles or to provide some kind of "verified" logo on the profiles indicating those members that have provided some means of verifying their identity to the administrators of the website. Such measures would prevent the scammers from using this site to proliferate their tacky and misleading profiles.

Umm... would YOU like to verify your identity on this site? Provide your DL or passport scan maybe? BTW, any scammer worth his salt can provide DL or passport scans for persons of nearly any age and location, given a day or 2. They keep the ones sent by the victims of 419 scams just to use in these situations, and trade them like baseball cards. IP blocking might work for the lower level, less talented scammers, but the good ones know about proxies.
There is a lot more to the "business" of scamming than most folks know.

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RE: Deaf/Mute Submissive / Slave profiles - 9/9/2009 12:08:03 AM

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Operators working for these services are not allowed to say anything but what is typed on the screen, and are fired if they warn the victim in any way. Many have been fired for calling the victim after they get off work to warn him/ her of the scam, or quit because they can't take the stress of knowing that people are being scammed.

That's terrible. They should be a lot less shady and I'm surprised that that is the sort of practice that they allow/follow. I can only assume that they collect some sort of income from people who use their service, as that's the only thing that makes sense to me.

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RE: Deaf/Mute Submissive / Slave profiles - 9/9/2009 12:32:47 AM

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IP relays are run by companies like ATT, MCI, Sprint, and other large phone companies. The policies are designed to keep the operators from getting involved with personal calls made by people using the service. Said policies do not allow for the operator "knowing" that the call is a scam, because such knowledge is too subjective. It would be nice if they hammered out a policy for such things, but I'm guessing that liability issues wouldn't allow it, even if the companies were willing.

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RE: Deaf/Mute Submissive / Slave profiles - 9/9/2009 1:00:27 AM

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It is often difficult, especially dealing over the phone with people with foreign accents, to tell the gender of the person anyway. And there are devices that are relatively inexpensive that will actually change a persons voice by making it higher, deeper, etc. which many single women in this country will use just for answering their own home phone. However, if i suspect someone is scamming me, especially if i suspect it is a male, then I insiste on at leat chatting with them once on cam so that I can verify that the person on the other end is, in fact, the person in the photo in the profile. I don't think I have talked to ANYONE yet from Africa that has been willing to do that. Usually they just claim not to have a cam, so I'll suggest they go to an Internet cafe just once to verify. So far they have always refused to do that unless I can send them the cost of the cafe. So an alternative I have asked for is whether they at least have or can borrow a digital camera or a camera/phone. If they say yes, then I ask them to take a picture of themselves holding a current newspaper with the date showing and send it to me....and so far none have agreed to do that either.

No matter what country they are from this will at most will indicate what gender they actually are and whether they are the same person that is in the photo in the profile....providing the profile has a picture. Still doesn't mean they aren't scamming you.

Oh...and if they EVER ask you to sign up at an alternative website because it is "easier" for them to chat (or any other reason)....DON'T BELIEVE IT!! Even if they say it is free. The site will ALWAYS ask for credit card info. So when they tell me it is "free" to join, i say, Okay, since it is free you can sign me up under your credit card number. LOL....so far, no takers. That site will then pass your information on to other websites and all of a sudden you are a registered member of half a dozen sites you have never even heard of before, each of them hitting your card for their $40 or $50 monthly fee.

And yes, I'll admit I was stupid and this is from the voice of experience.

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RE: Deaf/Mute Submissive / Slave profiles - 9/9/2009 1:24:47 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Pentheus

To start with, let me say that the purpose of this post is in no way an attempt to be insensitive to those who are truly in fact speech or hearing impaired. One of my very best friends in the entire world is hearing impaired. In fact the purpose of this post is quite the opposite. Let me explain.

Has anyone noticed the increase lately in the large number of profiles that have cropped up lately showing attractive young submissive women that supposedly are either mute or deaf? I have a theory about this. In perusing the profiles I have noticed at least 15-20 and the number seems to be increasing.

It is my belief that many of these profiles are being perpetuated by scammers from Nigeria or other countries, attempting to establish a relationship and then con people into sending money in order to "provide transportation" or their other needs. As if these scammers were not insidious enough, now they have hit a new low in posing not only as women, but as deaf or mute women. Think about it. Usually once that contact has been established, one of the first things that the man who is writing the girl wants to do is to talk to them in person to verify that they are real and sincere. The scammers have figured out that by posing as either deafs or mutes, they can get around the problem of establishing verbal communications. These Nigerians earn perhaps 50-100 dollars a year, so if they can score even a few dollars here and there it is well worth their time. I just feel that in posing as deaf / mute women, they are doing it in very poor taste, and further exploiting a very misunderstood part of our society. I for one am a little angered by this.

I really wonder how many of these profiles on this site are real and genuine, and what might be able to be done to verify the identities of those posting profiles or to provide some kind of "verified" logo on the profiles indicating those members that have provided some means of verifying their identity to the administrators of the website. Such measures would prevent the scammers from using this site to proliferate their tacky and misleading profiles.

I wish you well

Pentheus

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RE: Deaf/Mute Submissive / Slave profiles - 9/9/2009 2:49:56 AM

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Greetings all...

There are a number of common mistakes the scammers make. The deaf/mute is only one of them. No one thing by itself should indicate some profile is a scammer but when you get two or three it is best to assume it is a scammer and report it. If enough people report them they will eventually go away.

The worst I have seen was someone who was supposedly in a wheelchair and there was a nice stock foto of a lady in a wheelchair in an office setting. Very Caucasian lady with an African-American listing and the text was pure Nigerian spam with a man's name attached to it. With one exception so far I have assumed anyone saying they are deaf is a scammer. Sorry to those who may be but there have been enough other inconsistencies in the profile to say scammer. Look at the pictures and compare them to the race, weight and height listed in the profile. Just in case any of the scammers get bored and actually read the forums I won't add some of the other clues but there are many more.

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RE: Deaf/Mute Submissive / Slave profiles - 9/9/2009 3:28:47 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: ShaharThorne

I have a speech defect to where I have a Germanic accent (live in TX).

English is a Germanic language. I get messages from native English speakers mentioning the Germanic text in my profile.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Pentheus

I have been reading other posts. It seems that a majority of the submissive / slave profiles on here are fakes, especially the females.

It is my experience even most of the profiles of females seeking a dominant who are not fake in the sense that they are not the portrayed are not serious and don't reply or foul-mouth and call names when approached.

It is not true that profiles in broken English or without text are all fake, and not all who are serious use the message boards. There are also users using other languages than English and besides this most native speakers communicate in broken English!

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RE: Deaf/Mute Submissive / Slave profiles - 9/9/2009 8:03:36 AM

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Wyldhart, thanks for the information about the IP relay. I myself was contacted by a 419 scammer in Nigeria, and fortunately, I didn't fall for the scam. When I wanted them to get on webcam, they refused saying that they didm't have a webcam. I located an internet cafe and verified that they had webcams to use, and then the excuse was that the internet access with the webcam was too expensive... So I have learned a lot about 419 scammers. I just find it personally offensive that they pose as Deafs or Mutes for their own convenience and to further their cause.

But then again, from their point of view, they are just trying to survive. In many cases they "work" for a big 419 syndicate, which trains them, houses them, feeds them and provides for their basic needs, and in return, they have to work 12-14 hours a day, give almost all of what they earn to the syndicate, and they get beaten if they don't produce the $$$. So in an ironic way, I do feel somewhat sorry for them and what a terrible life that they have over there but still, I wish they wouldn't pose as deafs/ mutes. that is the part that I find most distateful and offensive.

Pentheus.

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RE: Deaf/Mute Submissive / Slave profiles - 9/9/2009 8:07:07 AM

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Wyldhart, Good point. I never stopped to think about how these 419 scammers probably have tons of drivers licenses, passports, and so forth available to use. As I understand it, they even have young girls who speak very good English that they can hire for their phone conversations, so I guess I don't understand why they even need to pose as deafs / mutes, unless they think that by playing the sympathy card, they will tug on some heartstrings and open someones heart and their wallet at the same time.

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