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ResidentSadist -> RE: I hate to ask this (8/13/2009 1:02:24 AM)
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It is rare that you and I stand so vehemently on opposite sides of a fence. I thank you for your eloquent reply. Suffice it to say we agree to disagree. Your advice about research to the OP was well put and always a sound course.
If we ever do have a pissing contest, I’ll bring along lots of apple juice and a passel of receptive slaves!
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ORIGINAL: LadyPact
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ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist
The reality of most terms comes from Webster’s and it isn’t my definition “trumping” others… it is reality vs misunderstanding. I even listed the source for much of that misunderstanding. But don’t take my word for it, check this link:
http://www.reference.com/browse/Edge+play
I commend those that truly answered the OP by listing actual types of play that fall into the definition. Even the wiki link was a boon to reality.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgeplay
I have great respect for LadyPact, Mercnbeth and Darcyandthedark and do not fault them for being mistaken or accidentally making an inattentive comment. However, I stand by Webster, Wiki and my 39 year history of understanding in the BDSM community as to what the fuck edgeplay means.
I stand by what I said in my original reply. Edgeplay has nothing to do with personal comfort. Although LP’s claustrophobic subject feels “closet play” is edgy, closet play will never be considered edgeplay anymore than light bondage will.
Whether it is “closet play” with claustrophobics or pushing a skydiver with vertigo out of plane while performing light bondage, during a thunderstorm, over a sea of sharks . . . although that could be considered “edgy” to those individuals, it is not what the BDSM community means by edgeplay.
Again, Eric, I'm going to disagree. While I appreciate you citing your sources, they literally boiled down to the same source word for word. It's not that it's a bad definition, it's that it's also not complete. Even in listing it, no where does it say it refers to potential physical harm alone. There is also no singular definition of edge play in the BDSM community. While it's easier to take those activities that many consider edge play and make that the only definition, it also makes it less than entirely correct.
Speaking of the "BDSM community" here are some definitions that I've pulled from others. By the way, these are all references from your own book list. (You know, the one I pimp out when you're not around for those less experienced folks while you're away. LOL.)
"Scenes that are designed to push us up to and/or beyond our known limits are know as 'edge play". Pg 189, "Screw The Roses, Send Me The Thorns" by Miller and Devon.
Index from the same book:
Edge Play - Erotic role play near or at the edge of a submissive or dominant's limits. The term also refers to activities that carry a higher than usual element of risk.
From "The Loving Dominant" by John Warren, Appendix F:
Edgeplay - These are particularly dangerous BDSM practices that are looked upon with some trepidation. Because there is no formal "ruling body" in BDSM, what is called edge play is up to the individual. Therefore, sonething that to one person might be considered edgeplay might not be edgeplay to another.
"Edge play is erotic role-playing near or at the "edge" of a submissive's or even a dominant's limits."
pg 194 from "The Art of Sensual Female Dominance A Guide for Women" by Claudia Varrin.
And, as in the thread that I had linked for reference:
"The edge in edge play is found wherever your edge is, wherever things start to feel risky, where you start to feel vulnerable, the edge of the cliff that looks over your own personal abyss." pg 196 "The New Topping Book" by Dossie Easton and Janet W Hardy.
So, obviously, there are a good number of folks in the BDSM community who have varying definitions.
For the OP, don't misunderstand the intent of this post. It wasn't written as some kind of pissing contest between Eric and Myself. We just happen to both be the type that, after doing this thing that we do for some time, we've (not us personally) had a lot of discussions that have brought us to our own definitions.
And to tell you the truth, that's exactly My recommendation on the way you should do it, too. Never be afraid to ask. Get all of the input you can, apply it to you, and form what works for you.
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