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MasterG2kTR -> Candle Power (8/1/2009 7:45:26 AM)

Candle Power

Ok, all you electrical engineers, physicists, and know-it-alls..... how does it work? This is really cool, and I did check for it on Snopes.com, but came up empty as to whether it's real or not.




DomKen -> RE: Candle Power (8/1/2009 8:05:25 AM)

That's a trick. the comments describe what is actually going on. In short if you watch carefully the light bulb lights up before the 2nd wick actually lights.




FullCircle -> RE: Candle Power (8/1/2009 9:48:42 AM)

It's obviously a trick since the ends of each lead can't be seen as they loop off screen and only one candle was required to light the bulb.

Someone with a brain could get some Bimetallic action going and light a bulb with the same items if the crocodile clips are of dissimilar metal to that of the nails but since the circuit appeared to be incomplete I'd rule that out.[8|]




MasterG2kTR -> RE: Candle Power (8/1/2009 12:03:49 PM)

FC....watch it again all the way thru this time.....I thought the same thing, but when he has the motor hooked up he shows the complete wires on screen




nudedude -> RE: Candle Power (8/1/2009 4:22:16 PM)

[:D] its basic physics[:D].





jk....  for something mindblowing watch this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFGiWiXMHn0





Termyn8or -> RE: Candle Power (8/2/2009 12:28:58 AM)

Using FR

OK, my first impression is that this is impossible, so that gets me thinking.

Now those of you who ignore me can continue to do so, but I know science. And I know a few other things as well. First of all I watched it wthout sound. I watched it more than once and the timing of the light coming on is indeed ahead of the lighting of the secons candle. First of all, it said a flashlight bulb. It did not say incandescent. Many other types of bulbs can be excited by an external EMF field. But to eliminate chicaneery like that is to explore more deeply.

When faced with such a problem sometimes you have to forget what they say, and remember what they did not say. First of all, they did not say that these were wax candles, nor did they say that the wax was not doped in some way like a semiconductor, and while the table looks like wood, it might not be. Even if it is, if these devices were actually powered this way the surface of that table has to be conductive or it does not make an electric circuit, which mean no matter if you generate a million volts the light will not light because the circuit is not complete, much as when the light switch is off the light is off.

Now let's examine some extant facts for a minute, for one, there are wicks that have a metallic core. These are generally used in Zippo cigarette lighters. Many candlewicks have a metal base, so perhaps the electrical connection can be made. Of course you can't see if the table is wet, it could be with salt water or something. Going along with that reasoning, they never said the candles were ordinary wax candles either, the correct selection of materials could indeed result in the generation of electricity. It could happen. So we have the wet table, special candles and some sort of anodic/cathodic action.

However there is one fact extant, if indeed the candles generated the electricity, don't you think it would come up slowly ? I mean when the guy lights the second candle would not the light start to shine dimly and gradually work it's way up to full brightness ? In other words it would not turn on like a switch, like this did.

I have been studying stuff for a long time, and have worked in the electronics field for at least thirty years, and I don't just suspect some chicanery here, I know for a fact this is not for real. I also know that with new technologies they can make many things not appear as they are.

There are electronic circuits, which would include a small antenna, a rectifier and filter that would do that in the presence of a very strong radio transmitter. If you've ever been a bit too close to one you know, it lights up flourescents just fine. An incandescent would only take a small antenna and in the case of the motor, a rectifier.

Thing is, when this guy gets busted [not by law but by science] I want to be there, because just the technology to pull the scam is good. Let me put it this way, I can light a light without touching it. What's more they never said it was an incandescent bulb, they said it was a flashlight bulb. The motor deal was for people like me who know this. Under the right circumstances all it would take is a high speed diode across the motor terminals though, so I expect they did both tricks the same way. Of course a bulb might not require DC, so all we need there is a short wire and a long wire to catch the RF.

In other words, if my assumptions are true or near true (I just watched it), they could do it without the rigamaroll of the candles. There would be no need for any wires whatsoever to the bulb or the motor. Yes I know this is what Tesla was working on, but it is applicable. See Tesla was right, and smart. But what he proposed would mean there would be energy conduits running through the atmosphere, and they would be invisible. Getting caught up in one could kill you. Talk about a no fly zone ! The idea was grand, and they should persue it, but at this time it is impractical.

I have seen many things, I have seen many light bulbs light up without wires. The difference with the motor is it has to run on high frequencies or there needs to be a rectifier to convert the energy to DC.

I built a radio when I was very young, the thing that sticks out in my mind right now is that it had no batteries. A big piece of coiled copper wire to tune it and we got AM ! That power, which powered the headphones came from the radio transmitter, nowhere else.

In case you didn't know, they can estimate how many people are watching a certain TV channel with very precise measurements of the load of the antenna - on the transmitting side.

I am not saying this trick can't be done, but it would require certain things. There has to be an electrical connection between the candles, one candle is made of one material and the other of something else. It CAN be done for real, but I do not believe that this demonstrates it.

The light would not turn on like a switch. It would start out dim and work it's way up. That is fact.

I welcome any rebuttal on this because if I am wrong, I REALLY want to know.

T




Musicmystery -> RE: Candle Power (8/2/2009 12:46:20 AM)

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but I know science. And I know a few other things as well.


Of course, with such simple materials, you could simply try the experiment yourself.

Works vs. Doesn't work is much easier as a first step. Then, once firmly establishing it's a trick, proceed with how it's done, demonstrating the procedure.

Science. Easier than people make it.




stella41b -> RE: Candle Power (8/2/2009 12:59:54 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

However there is one fact extant, if indeed the candles generated the electricity, don't you think it would come up slowly ? I mean when the guy lights the second candle would not the light start to shine dimly and gradually work it's way up to full brightness ? In other words it would not turn on like a switch, like this did.

T


Bingo!






aphotic -> RE: Candle Power (8/2/2009 1:09:14 AM)

Second law of thermodynamics-

The total entropy of any isolated thermodynamic system always increases over time, approaching a maximum value.

In order for candle wicks to express an energy value, they would need time to build a relevant charge. I'm not saying that this would work anyway, as wax is an emaculate insulator (simply hold a lit candle, and the base will be cool right until the flame is nearby). What I'm saying is that the instantaneous transfer of energy here makes absolutely no sense in coordination with the laws of energy.

At most, a candle flame gives off about 80 W of energy at the point just above where hydrogen is separated (the blue peak). Candle wicks are usually made of cotton, and perhaps a hint of zinc or lead. Lead has been banned in the US at least, and even so, both are terrible conductors of energy. This would be clearly impossible.




Termyn8or -> RE: Candle Power (8/2/2009 1:19:28 AM)

I disagree MM. First of all the bulb could've been something other than incandescent, the motor, well there are several options available with the technology of today, not tomorrow but today.

To illustrate the principle quickly I refer you to the motor in the carousel in a microwave oven. There is no electrical connection to some of them. The power of the magnetron runs them.

For many years a neon bulb was used in the electronics servicing field to detect the excitation of a transformer.

Point is I can do that rick without the candles or the clip leads. We don't know what else they had in the room or whatever. The camera only shows what the cameraman wants to show.

He is an electronics David Copperfield or something like that. The trick is not real. I know what it takes to do the trick and it sure looks to me like that is what they did. That is my opinion, but it is an educated opinion. I could make that motor run wuithout wires, see then the wires are just a distraction. That is how I see it at this time.

I am well versed in modern technology, except when it comes to a cellphone. This is a trick, now the challenge is to find out how the trick was accomplished. I will bet my life against a dollar that it cannot be reproduced at home. There is something else there.

My evidence ? It came on like a light. I mean it came on as if a switch was turned on. It should have came up gradually, even a little bit. Even if they invented a new cell this would be true, like a car battery cell is 2 volts, a Nicad is 1.2 volts, all that. None of them have anything until they are charged. There is just no ther way then I described to pull off this stunt, as far as I know.

Sure I could try it, but I simply know it would not work with the info they gave. Either they forgot to mention the fusion reactor in the other room, or that they were next to the antenna for WWV or something like that, or they did it themselves.

I see no other way, does anyone ?

Maybe I will just try it for the hell of it, but I just don't see the point.

T




Musicmystery -> RE: Candle Power (8/2/2009 6:16:05 AM)

I understand what you're saying, and sure.

Just saying that all sorts of possibilities are commonly presented as if argument, so much so that people except. Scientifically, we'd test it. Of course, long experience and common knowledge are also good.

But if we wanted to indulge in "well he could have" for videos, we could start with the simplicity of faking a video in the digital world.

So not disagreeing per se. Just a side point. Methodology, not final result, is king.

MM




DarkSteven -> RE: Candle Power (8/2/2009 6:52:09 AM)

There are several reasons why this won't work.  Term mentioned that the bulb's brightness is not related to the flame's brightness.  Add to that the fact that candle wax will not conduct either heat not electricity worth a darn, and the fact that the flames' energy is in heat form and not electrical. 

My favorite comment against the video was from loafbuffet: The circuit that must be complete fills the ether gap between the phlogiston, which floats on the quantum foam.




Musicmystery -> RE: Candle Power (8/2/2009 9:29:12 AM)

Yes, clearly it's a trick, and probably can be conducted in several ways (hell, static electricity would be enough to light that bulb--and we can't see under the table).

I only watched it once, but I did notice that, for whatever reason, he clicked the lighter off (presumably...there's a click) after lighting the first candle, went off camera, and clicked it on again to light the second one, both times, when anyone else would have light both wicks from the same flame.





FullCircle -> RE: Candle Power (8/2/2009 9:50:36 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MasterG2kTR

FC....watch it again all the way thru this time.....I thought the same thing, but when he has the motor hooked up he shows the complete wires on screen


I think you have to remember that you can carefully stop filming at any time and change what it is the ends of the wires off screen are connected to. If you roughly keep the wires in their position and cut the ends open off screen you can connect up a power cell off-screen between the black and the red ends that connect to the bulb. If I were to create the illusion this is how I would do it.

As I stated previously with dissimilar metals you could use the same items to generate a current in the wire but the circuit is not continuous and electrons don't easily flow through air. If I were to light the bulb I'd only need one candle; the circuit would consist of dissimilar metals at one end connected together and heated under the flame whilst at the other end of the loop would be the bulb. It is conceivable as the hot wax flows down the side of the candle it would contact the nail and heat it up, the nail being of dissimilar metal to that of the crocodile clip would promote localised electron exchange but since the other end of the bulb is connected to the other candle with the same electron potential generated no current can flow.

The simplest explanation is usually the right one they say.




Musicmystery -> RE: Candle Power (8/2/2009 10:00:44 AM)

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The simplest explanation is usually the right one they say.


At least Ockham did.




FullCircle -> RE: Candle Power (8/2/2009 10:02:53 AM)

Yeah but since Bill said it a lot more people have started to say it also[:D]




stella41b -> RE: Candle Power (8/2/2009 10:15:43 AM)

That whole sequence could have been recorded an infinite number of times with frames sliced and razored in any decent video editing program and put together using Windows Movie Maker or something like Kdenlive.

He could have stuck one end of a rubber tube up his butt and the other attached to a camping stove and showed us how to boil a kettle using fart power had he have been so inclined.




Termyn8or -> RE: Candle Power (8/3/2009 1:43:57 PM)

Stella, you are sick and probably a whacko. If you get near here, stop on by.

At any rate, I dropped that link into the professional website and it is just about time to check and see what they said. These are people who work on high tech stuff and they might have some ideas. There are probably numerous ways to do the trick.

I'll get back to you on this if they come up with anything good.

T




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