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Outrageous Handling of 911 Call - 7/18/2009 1:03:27 PM   
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Things like this seem to happen all too often, and the people who handle the calls need to be screened a lot more and have them pass several stages for certification. In this particular case I don't think the punishment was severe enough.
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RE: Outrageous Handling of 911 Call - 7/18/2009 1:14:50 PM   
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all i can say is.. wow

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RE: Outrageous Handling of 911 Call - 7/18/2009 1:17:49 PM   
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RE: Outrageous Handling of 911 Call - 7/18/2009 1:22:05 PM   
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Emergency call operators are as susceptible to pressures as the rest of us. When there are too many calls for a person to handle, when they are worried about losing their jobs because of the economy, when their kids can't afford to go to college, their spouses run off etc they are as likely to react badly to the stress as everyone else does.

Does that mean what they do is right? Certainly not. What it does mean is that if you want them able to handle things properly they need good training, not to be overloaded with calls, and to have access to good help when needed.

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RE: Outrageous Handling of 911 Call - 7/18/2009 3:10:45 PM   
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Emergency call operators are as susceptible to pressures as the rest of us. When there are too many calls for a person to handle, when they are worried about losing their jobs because of the economy, when their kids can't afford to go to college, their spouses run off etc they are as likely to react badly to the stress as everyone else does.

Does that mean what they do is right? Certainly not. What it does mean is that if you want them able to handle things properly they need good training, not to be overloaded with calls, and to have access to good help when needed.


If he were a doctor who mistreated a patient, and the patient died, would you say "oh, it was just stress?" This cop was a TWENTY YEAR veteran of the force. His job was in no danger. People who go in to the typical "high stress" jobs such as the police force and the medical field, know right from the beginning what is in store. This guy should get a lot more than a mere suspension for what he did. Sadly, because of his position, the family will be unlikely to sue him individually, but if the town ever permits him to work the 911 line again, the town will deserve every lawsuit they get.

There are many positions where the person is overloaded with work. Again in the private sector that overload is never an acceptable excuse for improper conduct on the job. Yet there is always someone who wants to excuse the behavior of people in government, medicine or law enforcement for not doing their job because of the overload. It is not an excuse. When people in some of those jobs don't do their job, people suffer irreparable harm or death. To excuse it is no different than condoning the behavior, and by doing such, nothing will ever change and jackasses like that cop will continue to suffer no more than an unpaid vacation.

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RE: Outrageous Handling of 911 Call - 7/18/2009 3:23:19 PM   
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People who go in to the typical "high stress" jobs such as the police force and the medical field, know right from the beginning what is in store.
well yanno...i have to dispute this. I am a former nurse. Former because it got to be dangerous. When i was in nursing school we were shown a clinical rotation that was nothing like the real world. The reality was too many patients, not nearly enough staff and waaay to much room for errors to be made. The stress was overwhelming at times and i was short tempered and probably rude (true story, i was responding to a code and a patients family member started  to run down the hall beside me, bitching that the patient did not get any ketchup on their dinner tray. I wanted to strangle them with my stethoscope and while i do not recall my response, i can bet it was rude.)

I am not saying the operator was justified in his response, but the stress level can explode unexpectedly. While he was way out of line, perhaps it is a wake-up call that staffing is too short, hours are too long and counseling should always be available.

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RE: Outrageous Handling of 911 Call - 7/18/2009 4:03:41 PM   
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RE: Outrageous Handling of 911 Call - 7/18/2009 4:10:42 PM   
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RE: Outrageous Handling of 911 Call - 7/18/2009 4:13:19 PM   
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reminds me if the case where a little kid called in for 911 cause his mom was in distress and the women told him stop playing on th ephone and told the kid he'd be arrested and s hit, and I do believe mom died while waiting for help. I don't remember the whole story.

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RE: Outrageous Handling of 911 Call - 7/18/2009 4:20:36 PM   
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People who go in to the typical "high stress" jobs such as the police force and the medical field, know right from the beginning what is in store.
well yanno...i have to dispute this. I am a former nurse. Former because it got to be dangerous. When i was in nursing school we were shown a clinical rotation that was nothing like the real world. The reality was too many patients, not nearly enough staff and waaay to much room for errors to be made. The stress was overwhelming at times and i was short tempered and probably rude (true story, i was responding to a code and a patients family member started  to run down the hall beside me, bitching that the patient did not get any ketchup on their dinner tray. I wanted to strangle them with my stethoscope and while i do not recall my response, i can bet it was rude.)

I am not saying the operator was justified in his response, but the stress level can explode unexpectedly. While he was way out of line, perhaps it is a wake-up call that staffing is too short, hours are too long and counseling should always be available.


I understand the situations you are describing and quite frankly, the family member deserved a rude response. However, this cop went so far as to arrest the girl for breaking a non existent law, yet suffers no repurcussions for his abuse of position. The schooling for nearly every position teaches/shows things that are so laughingly false in the real world. But even if you were short staffed in your department when working as a nurse, you would have been held accountable for the death of a patient, and depending on the circumstance, it would be warranted. From the tape they played, this man wasn't responding out of job or outside stress, he was simply being an ass who wanted to throw his weight around.

I'm also sure, Holly, that when you chose to become a nurse, you knew that it was a stressful job. Kudos for you for getting out when you decided that the stress was more than you could handle, as opposed to continuing to the detriment of your patients. I have a feeling thought, that the nursing profession lost out with your departure.

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RE: Outrageous Handling of 911 Call - 7/18/2009 4:30:38 PM   
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911 operator has always been one of my dream jobs. I have applied several times, but never got past the preliminary interview. I am assuming we have a higher standard up here, based on this guy's behaviour (anything else and that means I am....no it doesn't bear contemplation...)

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RE: Outrageous Handling of 911 Call - 7/18/2009 4:52:18 PM   
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either that or they figure you wouldnt be able to handle the stress, Arpig....*grin*

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RE: Outrageous Handling of 911 Call - 7/18/2009 5:41:03 PM   
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reminds me if the case where a little kid called in for 911 cause his mom was in distress and the women told him stop playing on th ephone and told the kid he'd be arrested and s hit, and I do believe mom died while waiting for help. I don't remember the whole story.


The mother did die. It was in Detroit. The city was sued. The operator was fired and as of this month she was rehired based on the decision of an arbitrator.

I'm the E911 administrator for the company I work for. One of the issues I deal with on a regular basis is customers who say the police/fire department showed up at their door in the middle of the night claiming a 911 call came from their home. The customer of course says they never made the call and in every single case, when I pull their phone records .. they are correct. There was no call to 911 dialed from their home.

Having investigated these issues and having dealt with 911 call center personnel who take a great deal of pride in what they do, I've been told be several people, in various cities (off the record), that the problem is the software, but not everyone is aware that the problem exsists.  As a result 911 operators around the country often treat legit calls as pranks, which is wrong.

The glitch is: dialing the combination of 9-1-1 in any phone number could trigger a call to the PSAP (public safety answering point). For example, if you dial 459-1137, a call could go to the 911 center. The 911 operator will see your phone number and address, but the line will be dead. They will send police/fire to your home, you deny making the call and it gets logged as a possible prank call. So, after dealing with a few of these calls, when they take call and a child is on the line, some operators react the same way the operator in Detroit did. Again .. it's wrong.

In this particular case, this officers actions are very disturbing. Especially since he's acting as if he did nothing wrong. He could have done himself a huge favor if he had simply said .. "I handled that badly and I apologize." I'd say they should take him off the 911 desk, however, I'm not so sure I want this guy out on the street with a loaded weapon.

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RE: Outrageous Handling of 911 Call - 7/18/2009 7:14:26 PM   
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One of my friends recently was hired as a 911 operator.  i had forgotten how much psych. testing and what not they had to go through....
i'm shocked at this guys attitude and frankly that more people from that community aren't outraged by his behavior...
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RE: Outrageous Handling of 911 Call - 7/18/2009 8:54:20 PM   
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yeah 911 does get a lot of prank calls, and stupid calls, I've called 911 on accident as a kid a few times but after the first time I panicked and hung up and cops showed up at our door, my mom taught me to tell them I am sorry I mis dialed. Amd yeah his actions were disturbing. It's not your job to chastise someone for being a potty mouth.
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The mother did die. It was in Detroit. The city was sued. The operator was fired and as of this month she was rehired based on the decision of an arbitrator.

I'm the E911 administrator for the company I work for. One of the issues I deal with on a regular basis is customers who say the police/fire department showed up at their door in the middle of the night claiming a 911 call came from their home. The customer of course says they never made the call and in every single case, when I pull their phone records .. they are correct. There was no call to 911 dialed from their home.

Having investigated these issues and having dealt with 911 call center personnel who take a great deal of pride in what they do, I've been told be several people, in various cities (off the record), that the problem is the software, but not everyone is aware that the problem exsists.  As a result 911 operators around the country often treat legit calls as pranks, which is wrong.

The glitch is: dialing the combination of 9-1-1 in any phone number could trigger a call to the PSAP (public safety answering point). For example, if you dial 459-1137, a call could go to the 911 center. The 911 operator will see your phone number and address, but the line will be dead. They will send police/fire to your home, you deny making the call and it gets logged as a possible prank call. So, after dealing with a few of these calls, when they take call and a child is on the line, some operators react the same way the operator in Detroit did. Again .. it's wrong.

In this particular case, this officers actions are very disturbing. Especially since he's acting as if he did nothing wrong. He could have done himself a huge favor if he had simply said .. "I handled that badly and I apologize." I'd say they should take him off the 911 desk, however, I'm not so sure I want this guy out on the street with a loaded weapon.

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RE: Outrageous Handling of 911 Call - 7/18/2009 10:12:09 PM   
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either that or they figure you wouldnt be able to handle the stress, Arpig....*grin*

Bah!!! I worked for "Sympatico" (the major Canadian telco's internet service) help desk...if I can survive that, then I can survive anything. 911 would be a holiday! (Mostly because I would go to work each day with the intention to do good, and would return home each day with the knowledge that I had done good).

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RE: Outrageous Handling of 911 Call - 7/18/2009 10:34:29 PM   
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I would think common sense would dictate that somebody is stressed when they make a 911 call and for some they cuss. I would have asked why are you swearing? Are you ok? What is going on here? I would think one would have tried to defuse the situation and had rendered help. That is how i would have handeled it.

We as a society are stressed no matter what job we do. All one can do is their best and put themselves in the other persons shoes.

I think he handled it badly. I don't know if he was having a bad day or what.  He should have apologized and admitted he made a mistake.

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