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MasterG2kTR -> Safe Saw (7/16/2009 6:13:16 PM)

We have these where I work and they are incredible. They really do work as advertised. we've had a few misfires due to foreign objects in some of the wood, but one guy in the shop actually hit the blade with his finger and ended up needing one stitch, instead of losing his finger. If you have the device trigger, you typically have to replace the blade and trigger cartridge, typically in the $100-$150 range total for both items. Surprisingly these units don't cost much more than a conventional table saw. The real benefit for the company is in the health insurance savings.

SawStop





MistressWolfen -> RE: Safe Saw (7/16/2009 6:38:21 PM)

Those tools are amazxing...wouldn't have wanted to be the first tester though




NightTigress -> RE: Safe Saw (7/16/2009 6:43:47 PM)

that is an awsome idea




Arpig -> RE: Safe Saw (7/16/2009 9:49:39 PM)

Amazing shit! And they say that the inventive entrepreneurial spirit is dead. I can see that sort of arrangement becoming standard in table saws, and the inventor making a bundle in lisencing fees.




Aneirin -> RE: Safe Saw (7/17/2009 5:04:31 AM)

Impressive, and that from an ex hire tool repairer, with much experience of table saws through to logging saws, but despite the knowledge of that feature there, no way, not ever at all, would I believe it is safe to go anywhere nearer to that spinning blade. The question is, though you have that system fitted, how do you know it works when using it, it could be offline or faulty in some way, no, with me, it is better to think the thing as ever an uncaringly effective deadly spinning blade that will cut flesh and bone as it does wood, no difference perceived. If shit should happen despite all safety procedures taken, one hopes the safety stop might be working, but I would not put my trust in it and drop my guard.




kdsub -> RE: Safe Saw (7/17/2009 5:44:54 AM)

It is amazing...but imagine at home and having a few misfires....at $100 a mishap that's expensive.

Norm Abram has all his fingers

Butch




Irishknight -> RE: Safe Saw (7/17/2009 7:47:57 AM)

How are serial killers supposed to chop up victims with that system in place? As for the rest of us... THAT ROCKS!!!!!

I do agree that safety should still go on just as if there were no such devices installed. I, unlike that guy, would never lay my weenie on a saw.




peppermint -> RE: Safe Saw (7/17/2009 9:29:05 AM)

Wow...that is impressive.  




Termyn8or -> RE: Safe Saw (7/17/2009 3:11:04 PM)

I think I have to go along at least partially with Aneirin here. Do it the old fashioned way - be alert and aware and respect the machine. Let's put it this way, if I stick my hand in one of my saws I KNOW for a fact I will get cut badly. Therefore I act accordingly, and I don't let anyone use certain tools. For certain jobs I have two saws that have had even the regular guards removed. I also don't let anyone (at this time) use my lathes or milling machine. I was taught about properly clamping the workpiece and all that.

Also I have a tendency not to wear seat belts and the air bags are disabled in my car. Accordingly I watch where I am going and simply don't run into things.

You can make alot of things safer, but in doing so I think some of the people will get complacent, and in some cases carelessness can get you FUBARed real quick.

T




CatdeMedici -> RE: Safe Saw (7/17/2009 6:05:51 PM)

Brings a whole new meaning to "edge play".




atropa7 -> RE: Safe Saw (7/17/2009 6:38:46 PM)

The only time I saw a (whole) human cadaver, a saw was being used to cut the skull and spine to remove the brain, brain stem, and spinal cord. The saw cuts through bone, but stops at soft tissue, sort of like this one. Sort of.




MasterG2kTR -> RE: Safe Saw (7/17/2009 7:41:18 PM)

For those that mentioned it, you are are quite correct in saying that standard safety practices are still in force despite the unique feature of this saw. Because there is only one way to "test" it you must still continue as if it were a normal table saw. It does however add one greater degree of safety when it functions as it was designed.

This was invented by a doctor who saw many patients that tangled with conventional table saws. Since it has been on the market there have been many documented cases of it's superior performance in the realm of safety. Just to re-iterate it one more time though, standard safety procedures still take the center stage.




Aneirin -> RE: Safe Saw (7/18/2009 2:31:09 AM)

Talking of air bags in cars, all those that happily drive around believing they are safe because they have an airbag, or airbags fitted around them and their family out on the road, I wonder if they are that teensy weensy bit complacent when they drive. If so could they be putting themselves, their family and other road users in increased danger because of the belief in such life saving devices. Like, the saw flesh stop featured here, how do they know these air bags are going to actually deploy when the situation arises, aside from them being fitted, how do they know they are working, there is no means to test them.

Safety stops, brakes and other life saving devices are a wonderful idea and a step in the right direction, but complacency is the enemy and with complacency are we actually taking more risks where we would not have done so prior to the fitment of safety devices.

But as to the table saw, it works by detecting the electrical charge in living flesh, a question, say the operator is wearing heavy gloves, as is often the case when working with timber, will the electrical charge sensing ability detect through heavy gloves.

Will this safety brake work when the mechanism is choked with saw dust, ever looked under a table saw in heavy use, just where that dust goes and packs, I have seen dust pack so it has to be levered out with steel, it is packed in so hard, so as to resemble moulded wood. Then there is resinous woods and what that stuff does, I cut Gombeira on a table saw, the clean up later, the dust was in there as if glued with epoxy resin. The blade was fouled, and it's sides coated with glued on wood dust. Wood when dry and glued is a pretty good electrical insulator, will it hinder the sensing mechanism I wonder.

But not to put too much of a damper on things, this saw stop device is a big step forward, a move in the right direction as  regards workshop safety, a idea that can possibly be fitted to many revolving steel cutting devices, drills even maybe, but because a safety device is fitted for ultimate protection, it does well to remember any man made device is subject to failure, often at the most inopportune times.

It was in my employment to be suspect of safety devices and there suspect, full attention was paid to ensure the thing actually worked, had every possibility of working, when the end user might need it. Murphys law was what we worked by when public safety was the concern in a machine hire situation, anything that can go wrong, will, shit happens, try to guard against it.




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