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Arpig -> RE: Milestones (7/17/2009 9:32:52 AM)

Passage of the "Intolerable Acts" by Britain.




popeye1250 -> RE: Milestones (7/17/2009 10:10:00 AM)

The "most" important would have to logically be the Declaration of Independance.




CallaFirestormBW -> RE: Milestones (7/17/2009 10:31:18 AM)

Off-topic, I have to ask.. Gosh, pah... do you ever have anything that isn't gloom and doom to add?

For the OP: For me, I'd go with the development of the Continental Congress -- I think that, even before we had a Constitution, a Declaration of Independence, and a Civil War, the willingness of a group of individuals to come together and attempt to wrest control of this scrap of real-estate from the distant Behemoth of the British Empire was profound as a milestone. I also think that doing so, and doing so successfully, set a tone for the nation that carried us through many of the pangs of our birth and adolescence as a country.

DC






CatdeMedici -> RE: Milestones (7/17/2009 1:40:34 PM)

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All men are created equal.


All PEOPLE are created equal. 




pahunkboy -> RE: Milestones (7/17/2009 1:51:19 PM)

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ORIGINAL: CallaFirestormBW

Off-topic, I have to ask.. Gosh, pah... do you ever have anything that isn't gloom and doom to add?



Yes.   For me the collapse could be a good thing.  I am into 'stacking"  which is accumulating silver. (or gold)  In due time- I will be able to own a nice place- and have no mortgage.  

I look forward to it.. but can wait- as there will be other factors.   Not that I am rich- but my stack will enable me to have a better quality of life.

So- that IS good.  :-)





OrionTheWolf -> RE: Milestones (7/17/2009 2:37:49 PM)

Oh damn, someone said something that wasn't politically correct.

Well you better petition the government to change the Declaration of Independence:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. "

While you are at it, you need to petition the science community to change Homo Sapien, which means "wise man" or "knowing man".

Then the next thing will be various parts of the Constitution, and then finally the dictionary to get rid of the word mankind.

It has been determined for a while now that the phrase "all men are created equal" refers to all of humankind, just like the word mankind refers to all of humankind, and the word homo sapien refers to all humans.

While all are considered equal upon creation, beyond that things chance and equality becomes hubris.

Another milestone would be Women's Sufferage ;).


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ORIGINAL: CatdeMedici

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All men are created equal.


All PEOPLE are created equal. 





pahunkboy -> RE: Milestones (7/17/2009 2:57:04 PM)

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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

Oh damn, someone said something that wasn't politically correct.

Well you better petition the government to change the Declaration of Independence:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. "

While you are at it, you need to petition the science community to change Homo Sapien, which means "wise man" or "knowing man".

Then the next thing will be various parts of the Constitution, and then finally the dictionary to get rid of the word mankind.

It has been determined for a while now that the phrase "all men are created equal" refers to all of humankind, just like the word mankind refers to all of humankind, and the word homo sapien refers to all humans.

While all are considered equal upon creation, beyond that things chance and equality becomes hubris.

Another milestone would be Women's Sufferage ;).


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ORIGINAL: CatdeMedici

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All men are created equal.


All PEOPLE are created equal. 




If all humans are created equal- then a much higher per centage, of males would set up house with another male.  Since the female differentiation would be un-important.

Most men do not want to set up house with another man.  Many want to set up house with a female.

Even when a male says "just friends"  there is always the thought that ...possibly- there is a special closeness to the other.  So the gesture is mute.






Termyn8or -> RE: Milestones (7/17/2009 3:36:05 PM)

Using FR

Women's sufferage, OK but realize the US was not first. And I have to admit that I had overlooked that it is US history being discussed.

I also find upon further reflection that the moon shot did have an impact. The technology for that project resulted in alot of technology being developed which is used in avionics and a few other things. US technology was miles ahead because of it.

However that was forty years ago. When you are talking about 1968, what they accomplished was quite impressive. The IC chips of the day may have had a few dozen transistors in them, now they are in the billions. Now you can take the average five hundred buck laptop and do all the math for a moon shot, back then it took a roomful of computers. I think the moon shot took more development to accomplish than the Manhattan Project, which is also noteworthy as it was instrumental in ending WW2, and permanently shifting the balance of power on the globe.

T




stella41b -> RE: Milestones (7/17/2009 4:14:05 PM)


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ORIGINAL: IrishMist

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The abolition of slavery

You say the abolition of slavery, but you don't say why. What made the abolition of slavery such a huge turning point?



Well I couldn't have put the abolition of the death penalty, because some states haven't got that far in joining the rest of Western 'civilization'.

But for me the abolition of slavery was putting the words of the Founding Fathers into action, the sharing of the concept of freedom and civil liberties with others once bound in slavery and thus the birth of the concept that people are people irrespective of their skin colour and ethnic origin.




CatdeMedici -> RE: Milestones (7/17/2009 6:04:28 PM)

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If all humans are created equal- then a much higher per centage, of males would set up house with another male.  Since the female differentiation would be un-important.

Most men do not want to set up house with another man.  Many want to set up house with a female.

Even when a male says "just friends"  there is always the thought that ...possibly- there is a special closeness to the other.  So the gesture


You are confusing the ying and yang of a relationship with equality in inalienable rights.




IrishMist -> RE: Milestones (7/18/2009 7:47:56 AM)

Master Orion

*grins*

This one is tricky because the debates over the cause of the Civil War still rage today; and to be quite honest; neither side is right or wrong. Neither are willing to admit that the other may be right, either though.

You are correct when you say that war was brewing for a very long time; I think that the only argument you and I would have over this is the 'cause' for the war. You say state's rights, I say slavery...what seems to be the point of contention though ( and this is seen in the debates that rage on ) is 'what exactly is meant by states rights in the context of the Civil War'. There are the arguments that using the terms 'state's rights' was just a cover up for the issues of slavery; and there are the arguments that the issues went deeper than just slavery, but that slavery was the final straw in a political battle for power.

History books, and history memorabilia are decidely short sighted when it comes to conflicts; there is no way to know the actual reasons behind the cause because the people who wrote the historical references were biased to some degree ( for either side ). We can rely on letters written, and on certain laws and doctrines that were written at that time; but even then, it is still impossible to come to a strong and stable conclusion as to what the cause was. All we have to go on are a few historical documents and 'heresay'.

My insistance that it was slavery that caused the war comes from a detailed search of the years leading up to the war, and as of yet, I have found no piece of evidence that would lead me from that conclusion. If you have something, please share it *grin*

Arpig
You know, I had never thought about the Intolerable Acts. Shame on me lol. My daughter mentioned something about the tea tax, but I dismissed that too. Thinking about it though, I still can't see that as the one act that would stand out above all others. Interesting lol. I have to think about this one a bit more.

Miss Calla
The Continental Congress. That's a good one there. It made me remember something that I had been taught in high school about George Washington what happened when he resigned his commission from the Army. I can't remember the exact happenings, but apparantly he and all his men were very upset ( furious is more to the point ) over the fact that Congress refused to pay them for service to their cause. Congress had even gone so far as to state that the men should not be depending on 'citizens' to support them. Despite his anger, and his mens anger, when Washington resigned, he made no mention of the insult that Congress had laid on them and instead stated that if the country could not give to the men who faught for it the same respect that they gave to themselves, then he believed the country was not worth fighting for.
His men got their pay *grins*
The point of this was though that from what was said in history, the country was ready to fall apart at that time and it was Washingtons respectful way of dealing with Congress that changed it. Not sure I believe that , but, it makes for a good story lol.

Term
I agree. Without us landing on the moon, I don't think that alot of our movements into the so called space age, and IT age would have happened. It was a huge boost to the country's ego lol.

Stella
This one is going to be tricky.
I need some time to word this right.




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