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Stay Out Of The Woods? - 6/26/2009 10:24:33 AM

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I was reading in a journal and came acroos the following advice a Dom had givin a Sub
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""packs of wild animals will attack anything. you can shoot one but another will just take its place. you want to know the secret to surviving an attack...stay the fu*k out of the woods" "

Now this advise was for a particular situation for a particular sub and I dont want to debate about if it was the right thing to tell her I dont know the details of the situation.
What I would like to hear about is Do you as a Dom feel this way or do you as a sub see it as a viable way to deal with things.

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RE: Stay Out Of The Woods? - 6/26/2009 10:33:05 AM

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i never feel comfortable operating from a standpoint wherein fear is the motivation for my actions. i find that emotionally crippling. To "stay out of the woods" is to deny myself a possibly wonderful experience. i prefer to enter the woods with caution, and some prior knowledge of how things work(both good and bad) in "the woods".

i'd also be careful about trusting anyone that meted out such advice. Seems like there would be a less than altruistic reason for doing so.

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RE: Stay Out Of The Woods? - 6/26/2009 10:38:18 AM

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The analogy can be taken many different ways.

The way I see it is the sub is being told that is she doesn't want to deal with Dick Dom's then she needs to get out of the lifestyle. Meaning that no matter what you will deal with agressivly demanding dominats everwhere you go.

It could also mean that the Dom in Question sees submissives as Prey and that is sad but I can see that being the gist of the analogy.

Then again the Dom could be refering to a sub who made a comment and got chastized for it and when she fired back she was berated by the group and his solution is to simply stay away from those kinds of situations

I think Humans as a whole have the potential to be agressive attack based creatures or more skillful based creatures bringing their desires TO them.

I think any idea that tells you to simply avoid a situation is usually a poor one. Not that there are not situations where it is a valid approach I just find that if you cannot carry yourself as an adult in a way that allows you to deal with difficult situations in a positive light.

Andi has a mouth on her, she can at times put things in a way that put people on the defensive, when she does this she gets attacked and gets mad and then leaves and holds a resentment toward the people who attacked her when in reality she usually threw the first punch. I have spent some time teaching her to determine if it is worth presenting her opinion if she cannot defend it.

I say MANY thinghs that people do not agree with, it is my opinion whether you agree with it or not, and I will explain why I feel the way I feel and what my experience has taught me however there are places where voicing my opinion is not worth the effort, I know that my opinion is in the minority and voicing it will simply bring harsh thoughts down upon me.

The way I deal with these is to LEARN, find out WHY they do things they way they do rather than present things the way I do them offten I will learn that there is not so much difference between me and them just in how we present it.

I would rather the whole world FACE indifference with an dopen mind rather that try to prove that their way is the best way.

However there are people here who know me who would not agree with that last statement but I believe that is how I handle things.... at least it is how I try to handle them .

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RE: Stay Out Of The Woods? - 6/26/2009 10:52:50 AM

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""packs of wild animals will attack anything. you can shoot one but another will just take its place. you want to know the secret to surviving an attack...stay the fu*k out of the woods" "

or...to be really safe, just stay in your house.

Risks are a part of living...just be prepared.

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RE: Stay Out Of The Woods? - 6/26/2009 10:53:15 AM

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I have two different takes on this:

a) There is a lot of wisdom to the idea that if you don't want to be covered with shit, you should avoid walking around in the sewers.

b) "Packs of wild animals" do not attack anything... they attack things that look like prey. So don't look like prey.

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RE: Stay Out Of The Woods? - 6/26/2009 11:03:47 AM

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I think there are absolutely times and situations in which it would be completely dumb ass to "go into the woods."

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RE: Stay Out Of The Woods? - 6/26/2009 11:05:13 AM

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ORIGINAL: leadership527

b) "Packs of wild animals" do not attack anything... they attack things that look like prey. So don't look like prey.

These are excellent words for all to remember, in many different situations. I am reminded of several threads around here lately. Each for a slightly different reason.

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RE: Stay Out Of The Woods? - 6/26/2009 11:11:07 AM

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

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ORIGINAL: leadership527

b) "Packs of wild animals" do not attack anything... they attack things that look like prey. So don't look like prey.

These are excellent words for all to remember, in many different situations. I am reminded of several threads around here lately. Each for a slightly different reason.

they don't just attack prey...they also attack that which they perceive to be a threat to them.

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RE: Stay Out Of The Woods? - 6/26/2009 11:12:05 AM

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Give me the woods any time. Animals do what is natural for them to do unlike most of the human race..

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RE: Stay Out Of The Woods? - 6/26/2009 11:12:41 AM

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What a crock of shit. Predators are everywhere- not just in the woods. The universe tends to reward cruelty. There is no way to completely avoid every threat to our safety, whether from animals, people or just natural events. If we let our fears rule us, we'd never get anything done, and wouldn't have much fun either. It would be a boring waste of life, because we'll all get hurt, physically and emotionally, in our lives- and end up dead anyway. So we might as well take our chances while we can. Life is about change, and being brave enough to take risks so that we can learn and grow.

Maybe the dom was lecturing someone who he felt wasn't using good common sense.

There are scads of sharks in the ocean. But I still swim there, every chance I get. I just don't go out there bleeding, or dressed like a seal.

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RE: Stay Out Of The Woods? - 6/26/2009 11:26:16 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

quote:

ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

quote:

ORIGINAL: leadership527

b) "Packs of wild animals" do not attack anything... they attack things that look like prey. So don't look like prey.

These are excellent words for all to remember, in many different situations. I am reminded of several threads around here lately. Each for a slightly different reason.

they don't just attack prey...they also attack that which they perceive to be a threat to them.

Very true Beth. I guess I see so little that is threatening, I didn't even consider that.

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RE: Stay Out Of The Woods? - 6/26/2009 11:40:29 AM

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What a crock of shit.

What was that?

Did you hear that?

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RE: Stay Out Of The Woods? - 6/26/2009 11:49:09 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: lronitulstahp

i never feel comfortable operating from a standpoint wherein fear is the motivation for my actions. i find that emotionally crippling. To "stay out of the woods" is to deny myself a possibly wonderful experience. i prefer to enter the woods with caution, and some prior knowledge of how things work(both good and bad) in "the woods".

i'd also be careful about trusting anyone that meted out such advice. Seems like there would be a less than altruistic reason for doing so.

~lil red sluttyhood

I think all of this is beautifully written.

Being controlled by fear is no way to live life. Wanting or needing conditions to be perfect for you to feel safe and venture out from some sanctuary is wanting to live a life in delusion.

Most of us in life balance risks versus rewards in doing things even if we do not think of it in that way. One needs to know and accept the risks and be wary of someone telling them they can do it for them. Life is not easy and takes hard work. There are always good and bad things and times. One should always work at not fearing the other animals.

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RE: Stay Out Of The Woods? - 6/26/2009 11:51:10 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: fantasy69maker

I was reading in a journal and came acroos the following advice a Dom had givin a Sub
.
""packs of wild animals will attack anything. you can shoot one but another will just take its place. you want to know the secret to surviving an attack...stay the fu*k out of the woods" "

Now this advise was for a particular situation for a particular sub and I dont want to debate about if it was the right thing to tell her I dont know the details of the situation.
What I would like to hear about is Do you as a Dom feel this way or do you as a sub see it as a viable way to deal with things.

Some may consider this a form of edge play but I once had a great scene "at the edge of the woods" just off a deserted road and within distance of our vehicle. It was not hunting season, so we were safe from hunters and far enough off the beaten trail so that sounds could not be heard within the adjacent residential area.
It was not political election time, so eager politicians couldnt gain points should we be caught and the police were involved.

We had scoped out the area carefully and watched it for daytime and night time activity, and made sure the location wasnt near a school so kids wouldnt be sneaking around. We were also cautious about finding cigarette butts, beer cans and bottles. Dangerous animals were of no worry since we were close to a residential area and not too deep into the trees, except for the occasional [sp] dog that wasnt tied up.

If you decide to play in the woods, please be mindful of where you are, and be prepared for the unpredictable. Have fun and try not to get too many insect bites or come in contact with poison ivy, etc. Be mindful that if a stranger discovers you, that he/she will assume that a Dominant is beating up a poor innocent victim and may try to protect your subject by any means.

Have fun and enjoy. I know my experience with outdoor play has been very exciting and added another level to what it was we were doing.

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RE: Stay Out Of The Woods? - 6/26/2009 12:37:31 PM

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I am more concerned about poison oak, ivy and/or sumac and biting/stinging insects in the woods.

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RE: Stay Out Of The Woods? - 6/26/2009 12:57:46 PM

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ORIGINAL: chiaThePet

quote:

ORIGINAL: dreamerdreaming

What a crock of shit.

What was that?

Did you hear that?

chia* (the pet)

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Yep, that's my quotable quote, for the day. I'm just cool like that...

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RE: Stay Out Of The Woods? - 6/26/2009 1:28:03 PM

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I think there are three scenarios:

*Deliberately walking in to the woods when you know damn good and well its loaded with hungry predators and you've been warned--well ya kinda get what you deserve.

*Stumbling in to the woods to look at the next shiny object-hopefully you will be wiser next time.

* The hungry predators bored with the woods and venturing out-- requiring a keen eye and common sense.

The first one gets no sympathy from Me.

The second one gets sympathy from Me the first time.

The third one is where I as a Dominant spend most of My time on the alert.

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RE: Stay Out Of The Woods? - 6/26/2009 1:36:33 PM

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There is a big difference between prancing through the woods without any concern for the big bad wolf and walking the woods aware, prepared, and capable of handling the unexpected. Fear in and of itself is natural...it's a blessing from nature that is essential for our survival. Fear is a gift. Use it wisely. Reacting to fear by observing the situation and addressing it in a proactive manner is a very healthy thing. Reacting to fear by losing your shit and freezing, or panicking, is a good way to end up hurt or worse.
The fear thing is another that boils down to semantics.
To me, fear is a gift. It's panic and worry that should be avoided at all costs.
If your fear makes you cower in your house because you worry incessantly and panic the moment anything "off" happens, then you have some work to do.
If your fear makes you use your mind and body to keep yourself safe, then feel free to walk the woods, both literally and figuratively.
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RE: Stay Out Of The Woods? - 6/26/2009 1:38:02 PM

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Hell no. I battle agorophobia on a daily basis and I conquor it! I make things happen and I relish it! If I worried about the wolves I would never have learned to stand up for myself, to discover I can kick ass, or that I am more than capable of finding a way out of a bad situation. Would it be better to be ruled by fear? Is it better never to try so you never fail? How do you succeed then?
Teaching someone they must learn to rely on themselves is a far better piece of advice. We do have to become responsible for ourselves eventually. Don't create a person crippled by fear.
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RE: Stay Out Of The Woods? - 6/26/2009 1:39:55 PM

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The only way to be safe is to be aware. Know your surroundings. Understand the risks. Don't be stupid.

There are predators everywhere. Shooting them isn't the answer however fun the fantasy. Knowing how to avoid them is better. Learning the look of their droppings, knowing the signs of their trails, their habits. Knowledge is the only way to stay safe whether it be the woods, the desert, the world of bdsm, or payday loans.

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