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Irishknight -> RE: This guy's really awesome..... (6/21/2009 11:22:58 AM)

I think the point being missed here is that Obama is honoring the contribution of fathers on "Fathers' Day."   Was anyone up in arms when he said nice things about mothers on "Mothers' Day?"  Doubt it.  I know its hard for some people to believe that a child will be better served having both a strong male role model and a loving mother but its a fact.  Obama is trying to encourage more boys to step up to the plate and do the right thing and the very fact that some people seek to make it an offensive statement is ridiculous.  I guess you'd prefer we tell our young men to "find em, fuck em and forget em?" 

We want male role models such as the president to step forward and tell these kids that they need to step up and do the right thing.  Nitpicking when he does is the same as picking your ass in a restaurant... disgusting and uncouth. 

There are experiences that a man goes through that a woman never will.  There are experiences that a woman goes through that a man never will.  There are genetic drives in both genders that members of the other sex can only superficially understand.  I can never help a girl through her formative years like her mother.  My wife admits that she doesn't understand how to help our son grow into a man on the same level that I do.  When we met, my son was afraid of dirt.  Seven years later, he is learning to be a responsible young man who is well rounded and almost ready to face the world on his own.  He was lucky enough to stumble upon a man willing to be a dad even though not the father.  I was lucky enough to be that man.



Loki45 -> RE: This guy's really awesome..... (6/21/2009 2:19:02 PM)

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ORIGINAL: CatdeMedici
I completely and vehemently disagree--that is based on gender roles, NOT parental roles---I can absolutelyy teach him to shave, I absolutelyy can help him tie a tie, understand wet dreams, standing to pee, relations with women, and the male psyche--it's called investment--just because a parent is one gender or the other does not mean they are invested---there are as many dead beat Moms as there are dead beat Dads--its the time INVESTED that makes a parent a parent NOT whether they can teach them to stand or sit to pee, or tie a tie.


You can completely and vehemently disagree all you like. There are many who would say that you're wrong. And as for the one parent "playing both roles" that's more a statement of ego than truth. You might be able to 'understand' wet dreams, but that doesn't mean a son would want to discuss them with you. You might be able to read instructions and tell him how to shave, but standing at a sink, side-by-side with your dad shaving together is an experience you can't give a son. I would know....I was raised by my mom and taught to shave by a razor that came in the mail for me when I reached "that age." I 'accidentally' shaved off part of my peach fuzz mustache and had to do the whole thing (dry) so that I wouldn't look stupid.

As for the standing to pee and relations to women, you could discuss those things, but your statements on the subject would be colored by your gender. That's another thing I have experience with. To hear my mom tell it, I must be the only good 'man' in the world, because the rest are garbage. But it doesn't feel like that all the time. Sometimes it sounds as if I am just as bad as all the rest.

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ORIGINAL: CatdeMedici
IMHO Obama's mother struggled, I guarantee she did all she could to get him the best, do the best and knew she had to play both roles--sure she won't complain about his statement---she's freakin dead---I find his comments shallow and callous.  Having TWO people in one's life doea not guarantee one has PARENTS.


Did you not read the rest of my other post? Obama was raised by his GRANDMOTHER. Not his mother. Kinda hard for his mother to do the best she could and play both roles when his GRANDMOTHER raised him, don't you think?



Loki45 -> RE: This guy's really awesome..... (6/21/2009 2:20:23 PM)

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ORIGINAL: lazarus1983
You can teach him all that, but you'll never know what it's like to be a boy growing into a man in this world. You point out very superficial things, things that, yes, anybody can teach anybody. But whether or not you want to admit it, there are some things only a father can provide a son.

And once again, you complaining that Obama making remarks about the importance of a father figure on FATHER'S DAY is a slap in the face to his mother is retarded. Maybe on Mother's Day, if Obama just sat around and talked about nothing but the father he wished he had, and completely ignored what his mother did for him, then you might have a point.


[sm=applause.gif][sm=applause.gif] Well said. You even worded one of my points better than I did.



Loki45 -> RE: This guy's really awesome..... (6/21/2009 2:22:23 PM)

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ORIGINAL: CatdeMedici
 done a damn sight better job that "be a man son".


Here we come to what your issue truly is. You're assuming that a present father would be a bad one. I know more than a couple of fathers who are great with their kids. Your hap-hazard characterization of what a father does is laughable. It also clearly shows your bias.



Loki45 -> RE: This guy's really awesome..... (6/21/2009 2:25:25 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Irishknight

I think the point being missed here is that Obama is honoring the contribution of fathers on "Fathers' Day."   Was anyone up in arms when he said nice things about mothers on "Mothers' Day?"  Doubt it.


Of course not. Because as long as he's perceived as 'slapping his father in the face,' mothers will cheer him. But he can't say anything about his desire for a male role model without some getting up in arms over him slapping his mom in the face (regardless of the fact that his grandmother actually raised him).

It's the sad state of things, I'm afraid. As long as the man is the one being slighted, it's OK. If a woman is slighted....God help the slighter.



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