Termyn8or
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Well DK I guess I have to consider myself enlightened because I was not aware of that, I thought there was alot more to it. Of course normal medicine frequently uses dilutions of toxins as well, so my point about similarity stands, but then the method. If all the homeopaths are doing it as you describe, the placebo effect might be quite valid. Perhaps I am thinking more of an herbalist.
Oh, and I heard about the water having memory. There is not much science I can put my finger on that could confirm or deny that supposition. If it is a fraud the biggest fraud is probably John Ellis. Even if what he claims in his ads is true when it comes to the scientific part (which is quite sketchy) it doesn't prove what he says, and it doesn't support his claims.
He speaks of niger sporrilia or some shit like that, and the only way to destroy it is with intense light from a quartz lamp of some special design. He also claims that his purifier widens the hydrogen bond angle in the water molecules. Am I to believe that he has an electron microscope in his basement ? Even if he does, I am not so sure this phenomenon is visible with that method. He goes on to claim that his water passes more easily through cell mambranes. So far so good. Completely within the scam parameters. I also find supportive evidence in the fact that if you have nasty mold on a basement wal, do not use pure bleach because it causes the "spores" or whatever to close up only to open up again later. With a solution diluted they do not go into that mode and are more readily destroyed.
However he has to go on like most, and claims that the addition of a small amount of his water can clear up septicity in a large well or cistern. This is where he really loses me.
Now knowing the science and technology that I do know, I think there might be some merit in the idea of treating potable water supplies with an intense bright light source. It does make a bit of sense actually. Particles etc. that are invisible to naked eye will be quite affected by intense light, and the idea might even have some merit, but his reasons are one of the finest axamples of junk science I have seen in a while. His water might actually be very good for you, but not necessarily for the reasons he gives.
But when he claims that he can clean up old wells and things like that by just adding a few gallons to hundreds of gallons, I cannot accept that. There is no way in hell that the introduction of water with the absence of niger whatthefuckever can kill all of it in the rest of the water, and I don't think a water molecule is going to do much to change the hydrogen bond angle of the larger body of water.
You see that is what really pisses me off about all forms of medicine or the alternatives. Bullshit, and it exists on both sides. Your placebo effect was proven in the seventies, people who suffered headaches were put in a double blind and the placebo seemed to work just as well as the aspirin. If I get a headache I just sit there and it is gone in about a half a minute. If I get heartburn I take a tablespoon of, of all things - vinegar.
When you cut through all the bullshit, any alternative medicine is for those willing to put in a bit of footwork, and research and learn. Actually I recommend that when going to a doctor as well. Many things they prescribe destroy your liver or heart or who knows what else.
What it comes down to is what works and what doesn't. This dilution process is probably more of a ritual, and rituals have no effect on me. What is in this shit and how EXACTLY does it help me ? And that question goes out to all who claim anything. None of this spirits or bullshit like this, my body malfunctions, what is the solution ? Alternative may have the answer, it may not. Just like you can't use accupuncture on an infection, or massage to heal a broken bone, common sense is required. The lack thereof probably has quite a bit to do with the problem.
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