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MidnightKat5000 -> Just a rant. (6/12/2009 2:54:24 PM)
What's with this "I am into forced ___." If you're into it isn't really forced, now is it. This is usually from guys in regards to forced "femme". When you have self-taken photos of you dressed, how it the fuck is it forced?! Ugh, morons.

DavanKael -> RE: Just a rant. (6/12/2009 2:56:10 PM)
Agreed. Davan

PyrotheClown -> RE: Just a rant. (6/12/2009 2:56:54 PM)
would you prefer the term "very strong encouragement" lol

sirsholly -> RE: Just a rant. (6/12/2009 2:58:28 PM)
Well how very tolerant of you. Someone who has a kink you do not agree with hardly qualifies as a moron. It does speak volumes about you though. Remember..when you make a derogatory comment at someone and point a finger, there are two fingers pointing back at you.

beargonewild -> RE: Just a rant. (6/12/2009 3:01:31 PM)
I just see that as the person not having the guts/courage/maturity to take responsibility for their own actions. It's easier to place that onus onto another by saying, "I was forced to wear panties" or "She/He made me wear diapers" etc. Thus if any guilt is felt after the fact then they conveniently avoid the self abasement over their actions.

PyrotheClown -> RE: Just a rant. (6/12/2009 5:34:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sirsholly Well how very tolerant of you. Someone who has a kink you do not agree with hardly qualifies as a moron. It does speak volumes about you though. Remember..when you make a derogatory comment at someone and point a finger, there are two fingers pointing back at you. Considering some of the negative crap I've read here(including quiet a few things"aimed" at my self), it aint that bad, at least she's not belittling and alienating some one who is opening up their views or a particular person , but rather(like the title says) just throwing a rant out there.if any one is offended by it, they can easily ignore it, it's not like they're(people who are into being "forced") relying on this thread to provide them with an exchange of idea's ect. *unless some one is Forcing them to read it.... sorry, couldn't resist

CatdeMedici -> RE: Just a rant. (6/12/2009 5:36:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PyrotheClown would you prefer the term "very strong encouragement" lol more like, "if you tell Me to", then I'm guilt free. all too willing, all too prepared, all too eager----don't see any forcing there.

PyrotheClown -> RE: Just a rant. (6/12/2009 5:39:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CatdeMedici quote: ORIGINAL: PyrotheClown would you prefer the term "very strong encouragement" lol more like, "if you tell Me to", then I'm guilt free. all too willing, all too prepared, all too eager----don't see any forcing there. and there isn't much "punishment" in the "punishment" people enjoy is there.... this is a kink site, of course kinks are subject to a certain amount of nonsense. it's what makes it a kink and not a sex crime lol

ChasingOblivion -> RE: Just a rant. (6/12/2009 5:44:57 PM)
I see where you're coming from. Personally, I don't have a tremendous amount of respect for anyone who lacks the emotional maturity to just admit what they're into and go for it. In my opinion, needing to be "forced" is a crutch used by people who can't come to terms with their own desires. Whatever you're into; admit it, own it, and move on (unless it's little kids, then you should seek help). Until you learn to love yourself, warts and all, you'll never be happy. At least, that's been my experience.

DomImus -> RE: Just a rant. (6/12/2009 7:43:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MidnightKat5000 What's with this "I am into forced ___." If you're into it isn't really forced, now is it. This is usually from guys in regards to forced "femme". When you have self-taken photos of you dressed, how it the fuck is it forced?! Ugh, morons. You identify yourself in your profile as a dominant. I identify as a dominant, as well. In all honesty, who are we really dominating? Do you drag people in off the street and force them to do your bidding? I doubt it. I don't do that, either. We dominate no one. We like to think we do, but we really don't. Unless you're dragging candidates in off the street against their will your submissive pretty much calls the shots, just as mine and everyone else's do.

MidnightKat5000 -> RE: Just a rant. (6/12/2009 9:45:13 PM)
I think you misunderstand me sirsholly. It's not about the kink itself, it's the fact that when someone says they are into "forced" whatever, it's not really forced. It irks me.

MidnightKat5000 -> RE: Just a rant. (6/12/2009 9:51:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomImus You identify yourself in your profile as a dominant. I identify as a dominant, as well. In all honesty, who are we really dominating? Do you drag people in off the street and force them to do your bidding? I doubt it. I don't do that, either. We dominate no one. We like to think we do, but we really don't. Unless you're dragging candidates in off the street against their will your submissive pretty much calls the shots, just as mine and everyone else's do. LOL, you're preaching to the choir! I have learned this long ago.

NihilusZero -> RE: Just a rant. (6/12/2009 9:55:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MidnightKat5000 I think you misunderstand me sirsholly. It's not about the kink itself, it's the fact that when someone says they are into "forced" whatever, it's not really forced. It irks me. "Force" and "enjoyment" are not mutually exclusive terms. It actually makes perfect sense, as admitting to liking it does not reference specific instances where it is requested (and even then, it's not as contradictory as you make it out to be). All it involves is the dynamic where the D-type takes what s/he wants at whim (presumably with aggression). There's no necessary implication as to whether the received is supposed to hate it or not. If you really wanted to make a more appropriate rant, you'd have brought up the idea of 'rape play'.

MidnightKat5000 -> RE: Just a rant. (6/12/2009 9:58:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NihilusZero "Force" and "enjoyment" are not mutually exclusive terms. It actually makes perfect sense, as admitting to liking it does not reference specific instances where it is requested (and even then, it's not as contradictory as you make it out to be). All it involves is the dynamic where the D-type takes what s/he wants at whim (presumably with aggression). There's no necessary implication as to whether the received is supposed to hate it or not. If you really wanted to make a more appropriate rant, you'd have brought up the idea of 'rape play'. No, I stand by what I said.

chiaThePet -> RE: Just a rant. (6/12/2009 9:59:27 PM)
I thought my neighbor Seymore was into forced feminization. But I realized he'd simply had an epileptic seizure whilst hanging out the laundry. chia* (the pet)

NihilusZero -> RE: Just a rant. (6/12/2009 10:08:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DavanKael Agreed. Davan We shall thumb-wrestle over this on Wednesday! :P quote: ORIGINAL: beargonewild I just see that as the person not having the guts/courage/maturity to take responsibility for their own actions. It's easier to place that onus onto another by saying, "I was forced to wear panties" or "She/He made me wear diapers" etc. Thus if any guilt is felt after the fact then they conveniently avoid the self abasement over their actions. The example you gave (which is apt for a certain type of discussion about personal responsibility) is, however, fundamentally different than what the OP is complaining about. quote: ORIGINAL: CatdeMedici all too willing, all too prepared, all too eager----don't see any forcing there. Again, the topic brought up is not about people trying to absolve themselves of responsibility for actions they consented to. It's about the erroneous presumption that force cannot itself be desired. Really, we're all on the wrong website if we adhere to that notion. quote: ORIGINAL: PyrotheClown and there isn't much "punishment" in the "punishment" people enjoy is there.... Which is why folks make clear distinctions between punishment and "funishment". Furthermore, we also here have an example of a further distinction: it is possible to not want/like something (punishment) and yet be perfectly willing and accepting of it (because the sub/slave understands what it means to their Dom/me). quote: ORIGINAL: ChasingOblivion Personally, I don't have a tremendous amount of respect for anyone who lacks the emotional maturity to just admit what they're into and go for it. Yet again, not what is being whined about. quote: ORIGINAL: ChasingOblivion Whatever you're into; admit it, own it, and move on Except, apparently, if being the target of force is your thing...??

blondagebabe -> RE: Just a rant. (6/12/2009 10:09:05 PM)
There's a term for this. It's called "forced consent." Some people just like being made to do things. I think it's pretty common.

NihilusZero -> RE: Just a rant. (6/12/2009 10:10:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MidnightKat5000 quote: ORIGINAL: NihilusZero "Force" and "enjoyment" are not mutually exclusive terms. It actually makes perfect sense, as admitting to liking it does not reference specific instances where it is requested (and even then, it's not as contradictory as you make it out to be). All it involves is the dynamic where the D-type takes what s/he wants at whim (presumably with aggression). There's no necessary implication as to whether the received is supposed to hate it or not. If you really wanted to make a more appropriate rant, you'd have brought up the idea of 'rape play'. No, I stand by what I said. What you said is incoherent. It is fallacious logic based on a faulty premise. That's the type of thing that irks me. [sm=cool.gif]

PyrotheClown -> RE: Just a rant. (6/12/2009 10:29:20 PM)
I irk my self when I read these threads.........

HeavansKeeper -> RE: Just a rant. (6/13/2009 2:14:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MidnightKat5000 What's with this "I am into forced ___." If you're into it isn't really forced, now is it. This is usually from guys in regards to forced "femme". When you have self-taken photos of you dressed, how it the fuck is it forced?! Ugh, morons. Hello Midnight, Let me offer a very bland, un-provocative theory on the matter. Force can be defined as "a measure of magnitude and direction with respects to any matter." I agree... Many of the people seeking forced-bi, forced-femme, forced-sex, forced-gang, etc. all have some nature of desire for it... At the very least, will consent. The issue is "Will they do it on their own?" I submit, mostly, they will not. They require someone to take responsibility/ensure safety/eliminate guilt. So the top encouraging/forcing them to act is just pushing them over the top. It's not 100% forced... Maybe 5% forced. Reading your journal (and looking at your eyes) it's clear you're a feisty one. Luckily, you don't have to put up with people who you think do laughable things. I'd imagine many men into cuckoldry are somewhat interested in the "forced" actions mentioned. You may expand your potential pool to include some great people if you relaxed your definition of "force" to include partial coercion. Also, nice ass. I feel guilt is a major factor in deterring people from chasing down their own taboo kinks. Having someone say "Yes, stop whining, I want you to do it!" removes the guilt almost entirely. It provides both someone accepting of the action (as opposed to a world telling them its sick and deviant) AND someone to be a scapegoat. "Well she made me do it... I just wanted her to be happy." These people are at a midway point in their sexual growth.

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