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oceanwinds -> Learning to validate yourself (6/11/2009 7:30:37 AM)

At this time in my life, I am learning how to validate myself. This means to not go outside of myself to seek another's approval of choices I am making. It seems to be a difficult challenge, though I am ready for the challenge. Most of my life there was always someone to give validation or not to areas that I was trying to accomplish. I have become aware that I have been using these forums at times to seek validation for who I am, the type of relationship I have and so on. It can become a crazy cycle, and in my opinion very unhealthy for me.

I am seeking how others have learned to stop seeking validation from others. Thank you for your responses.

oceanwinds





LadyEllen -> RE: Learning to validate yourself (6/11/2009 7:54:33 AM)

honestly - my secret is to not give a flying one what anyone else thinks or says about me, on the grounds that nine times out of ten experience has told me that I'm right and theyre wrong, usually because nine times out of ten (or more) I'm far cleverer and more capable than they will ever be.

yes, it borders on arrogance of course but I dont think anyone I know personally (in real life) would think me so, regardless of how it comes across online.

from there, if others approve of (like me) me then thats just great - if they dont then it doesnt bother me; after all, theyre likely wrong!

and the odd thing is, the more I moved to this position - because I once sought and relied on validation - the more others accept and respect me, even if theyre sufficiently in the wrong to not like me! its quite odd coming from that position needing validation to find that the more independent and even bolshy one becomes, the more one finds that validation that one no longer needs....

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Vendaval -> RE: Learning to validate yourself (6/11/2009 12:02:27 PM)

Hello oceanwinds,

One of the best ways to make major life changes is to seek out new experiences and just go for it! Write out all the stuff you would like to try, no matter how wild and crazy, and go do at least some of them.

Think of life as being a series of adventures and challenges and take the risks.

Pack your parachute and a helmet too.

Vendaval




ShaharThorne -> RE: Learning to validate yourself (6/11/2009 12:15:31 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Vendaval



Pack your parachute and a helmet too.



Not to mention a pillow for rough landings...




oceanwinds -> RE: Learning to validate yourself (6/11/2009 12:16:54 PM)

Thank you LadyEllen
You have produce a lot of food for thought, and I thank you.
Blessings
oceanwinds




oceanwinds -> RE: Learning to validate yourself (6/11/2009 12:20:43 PM)

Thank you Vendaval
Yes, I have packed my parachute and helmet. I decided to write a novel. I never have done such a thing, and find this very exciting. Researching is awesome. Am also going to Mexico in October for my daughter's wedding. That truly will be exciting. Everyday is a new experience to live and am packing in as many as i can have.

Thank you,
oceanwinds




Vendaval -> RE: Learning to validate yourself (6/11/2009 12:22:27 PM)

Sounds like you are going to have a fantastic time! [:D]




pahunkboy -> RE: Learning to validate yourself (6/11/2009 12:38:56 PM)

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ORIGINAL: oceanwinds

Thank you Vendaval
Yes, I have packed my parachute and helmet. I decided to write a novel. I never have done such a thing, and find this very exciting. Researching is awesome. Am also going to Mexico in October for my daughter's wedding. That truly will be exciting. Everyday is a new experience to live and am packing in as many as i can have.

Thank you,
oceanwinds



I never say this to anyone. But I wish I was you.  That experience.  I lock myself into my own world.  I hope to get pics up soon.   No one promised me a rose garden- so I made my own.  My yard is simply spectacular this year! :-)




oceanwinds -> RE: Learning to validate yourself (6/11/2009 1:17:59 PM)

Oh please enjoy your rose garden, Pahunkboy.

I do miss my garden, but have been growing a small one on my terrace. I lock myself in my own world and find it enjoyable. I constantly feng shuiing, creating something, or finding something to get into. I miss snapdragons, those were fun to grow when I lived in Ohio. I can amuse myself very well. Now though I need to learn I am okay and do not need the world telling me that I am to believe it. One step at a time, I suppose.




pahunkboy -> RE: Learning to validate yourself (6/11/2009 1:30:05 PM)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGFM1pY2dcw     <---  sweet dreams baby.  This song put me in a good mood.   

My other hobby is stacking silver.  I want to learn everything I can on it.  Maybe even become a dealer.  But there is SO much to know on that!

I hope the check from my bro comes soon.   I sort of used the house payment to buy silver.     oooooooooooooops




oceanwinds -> RE: Learning to validate yourself (6/11/2009 2:07:35 PM)

Thanks for the link. Roy O has always been one of my fav. singers.
Good luck on your silver hobby.




pahunkboy -> RE: Learning to validate yourself (6/11/2009 2:35:51 PM)

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ORIGINAL: oceanwinds

Thanks for the link. Roy O has always been one of my fav. singers.
Good luck on your silver hobby.


Thank you!   Bob Chapman is my hero.  I follow his work.   I wish my health would be better.  It goes thru cycles.  But yeah- I am like a general in a war- on the silver.   The massive bail out got me started.  In those months- Silver is up nearly 50%.   Could it go down- sure.  But it is real.  Where as paper is paper.

Gold is out of my price range.  ;-0

I guess the riddle is turning a hobby into a few extra $.

One thing for sure- go with what you know. 

When I was in my 20s I travelled alot.  I sowed my oats so to speak.  
I am glad I did.

I love your enthusiasm for life.    I do beleive we are entering an era- that will have some plusses.   My gram went thru the depression and she handled things ok.   

So- we now will dump over consumption...stuff.   "stuff" will be less important.   That mean the non-stuff will carry more importance.  IE humans.    Humans over materialism- or gluttony.    So that is the hidden gift that we are in  for.




PyrotheClown -> RE: Learning to validate yourself (6/11/2009 2:37:12 PM)

woody allen said it best;
"I'd never join a club that would allow a person like me to become a member."

While like every other person, I crave a certain amount of understanding and compassion.. But that doesn't mean I look to validate or please everyone(or any one in particular, at this moment) to the slightest..
I guess I'm fortunate not to have that particular " problem"..

But I know alot of people who do, and it can be one of their greatest weaknesses and strengths. Some of us need that validation in order to push our selves to do what we need to do, While others let petty people control their lives and actions with no real reward to show for it.




CatdeMedici -> RE: Learning to validate yourself (6/11/2009 2:42:49 PM)

Oh ocean, I wish I could help, I've always made My own way, never seeking validation---recently I found this quote from Buddha that summed up Me--I hope it helps as well:
 
Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it. Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many. Do not believe in anything simply because it is found written in books. Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders. Do not believe in traditions because they have been handed down for many generations. But after observation and analysis, when you find that anything agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it" .......~Buddha




ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: Learning to validate yourself (6/11/2009 2:44:49 PM)

 
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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

honestly - my secret is to not give a flying one what anyone else thinks or says about me, on the grounds that nine times out of ten experience has told me that I'm right and theyre wrong, usually because nine times out of ten (or more) I'm far cleverer and more capable than they will ever be.


Wow. I could have written this post, almost word for word. Thing is, though, I couldn't have written it 10 or 15 years ago, or maybe not even 5 years ago. In my case, much of what you're talking about here took me many years to figure out. It never would have dawned on the 25- or 30-year old me that most people really aren't as capable as they present themselves. I was well into my late 30s or early 40s before I really started to notice that, and it was years after that before it felt so entirely natural to trust myself completely. Feels pretty good, though, doesn't it? Going through your life knowing that no matter what jumps out in front of you on the path, you can handle it?



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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen
yes, it borders on arrogance of course but I dont think anyone I know personally (in real life) would think me so, regardless of how it comes across online.


One thing where we differ is, I know i came across as somewhat arrogant to some people. Sometimes even to people who know me. Oh, well; c'est la vie. You can't please everyone. Even people who know me, and think I have a little bit of a chip on my shoulder, aren't put off by it though; partly because in person I tend to be a rather humble man, whose humility more than balances out his arrogance, and partly because they recognize that that's just the flip side of being very self-confident. There will inevitably be times when it goes a little too far and manifests as arrogance.


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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen
from there, if others approve of (like me) me then thats just great - if they dont then it doesnt bother me; after all, theyre likely wrong!


And even if they're not, it's none of their business. One thing I've come to realize over the years is that as a single man, with no close family or dependents, I am the only human being on the planet who is going to have to live the rest of his life with the consequences of my decisions. So ultimately, when push comes to shove, I am the only person to whom I am really answerable. The decisions i make in my life reflect that underlying awareness, and I do not concern myself with whether others agree with my personal choices - except, of course, to the extent that their contrary opinions provide me with an opportunity to test the soundness of my decisions.



quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyEllen
and the odd thing is, the more I moved to this position - because I once sought and relied on validation - the more others accept and respect me, even if theyre sufficiently in the wrong to not like me! its quite odd coming from that position needing validation to find that the more independent and even bolshy one becomes, the more one finds that validation that one no longer needs....

E


Odd, that, is it not? The less I care about what other people think of me, the more they seem to care about what I think. We live in such an ironic and paradoxical world....




oceanwinds -> RE: Learning to validate yourself (6/11/2009 2:55:53 PM)

Thank you CatdeMedici
Lately I been sitting back and thinking about those who have shared a part of my life, be it a minute or a lifetime and what I have admired in them. They did not hold their past a prisoner to themselves, nor sought others for validation. They were strong in their self and will. Thinking about this, I figured that must be in me as well, since this is the typical person I draw to me. So I trying to find this in me and bring it out, if this makes sense.

In validating myself, i have also been working at not openning a conversation about my past wounds. In doing this it is a way to also manipulate others into telling you that you are okay. In finding that I am fine as I am and how I perceive life, I have to embrace my life, all aspects of it. Just a ramble of thoughts trying to formate an idea, and I know i am getting there.

Thanks everyone for your ideas and suggestions




DesFIP -> RE: Learning to validate yourself (6/11/2009 5:39:55 PM)

Do it step by step. Have people you can go to who will give you solid advice if you aren't sure you're doing the right thing. People like accountants, lawyers, therapists etc. When you say "I was thinking of buying x for this amount of money" and the accountant or lawyer says to go for it, you will get more confidence in your decision making.

The trick here is to ask the right people. Not your nosy coworker, or your mother or anyone like that. An expert.




Irishknight -> RE: Learning to validate yourself (6/12/2009 5:17:20 AM)

I commend you on working to validate yourself.  I am not a person who cares much for the opinions of others and so I have little trouble validating myself.    My opinion of me is what matters. I  have to live with me.  Anyone else can grab a bus ticket to the offices of Gofukyourself and Howe, the lawyers who take care of my complaints.

Remember, you know you better than anyone else and you are the one who will have to live with you for the rest of your life.  As long as you strive to make yourself someone you can live with, everything else is gravy.





MzMia -> RE: Learning to validate yourself (6/12/2009 5:22:07 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Irishknight

I commend you on working to validate yourself.  I am not a person who cares much for the opinions of others and so I have little trouble validating myself.    My opinion of me is what matters. I  have to live with me.  Anyone else can grab a bus ticket to the offices of Gofukyourself and Howe, the lawyers who take care of my complaints.

Remember, you know you better than anyone else and you are the one who will have to live with you for the rest of your life.  As long as you strive to make yourself someone you can live with, everything else is gravy.




[sm=applause.gif]
Being a mature woman, I often will seriously consider other people's opinions {especially if I consider
them credible}.
But at the end of the day, If you are on your side and I am on your side, WHO is on MY side?
The older I get, the more I love, appreciate and take care of ME.

I love the hell out of me.
The more I love me, the more I have to give to others.
Peace




popeye1250 -> RE: Learning to validate yourself (6/12/2009 5:40:24 AM)

Irishknight, Mz Mia, right on!
You have to make your own self "strong" before you can help others!
Can you imagine U.S. Coast Guard personel fat, out of shape, lazy, afraid, having to go into the water to affect a rescue?
I think to a certain extent "validation" like "self esteem" comes from accomplishment and accomplishment comes with time and hard work as you know Mz Mia being in your honored profession!




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