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Seriously, is Amy Lee submissive? - 6/3/2009 4:07:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		Maybe this is well known and I'm out of the loop, but having come across her latest video in Evanescence's "Good Enough", I've decided I have to know if there's anyone else who takes it how I do?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSxoKQ_sWYY

If it's all just an act, don't tell me, I want to keep imagining. ;)
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RE: Seriously, is Amy Lee submissive? - 6/3/2009 4:19:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		Open door was released in 2006. it is a lovely vid, her voice kicks ass, but I dont see it as particularly su...oh you didnt want me to say that:)
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RE: Seriously, is Amy Lee submissive? - 6/3/2009 4:28:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		Never heard that song before, but it's a little too Amy Lee for me.   

At any rate, no, I don't think the lyrics/video point to her necessarily being submissive.  And even if the song itself suggests possible submission, it doesn't make Amy Lee a sub just because she wrote something that could be interpreted as a submissive mindset.  Sorry to blow your fantasy, but the good thing about fantasy is that you can create it any way you like.

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RE: Seriously, is Amy Lee submissive? - 6/3/2009 5:41:54 AM   
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Maybe this is well known and I'm out of the loop, but having come across her latest video in Evanescence's "Good Enough", I've decided I have to know if there's anyone else who takes it how I do?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSxoKQ_sWYY

If it's all just an act, don't tell me, I want to keep imagining. ;)



I'm right there with ya, NO. I don't know if Amy is submissive, but the song gives me a strong submissive message, including a touch of sub frenzy in there.. but then I look at egg beaters funny, too, so I'm probably not the one to ask.

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RE: Seriously, is Amy Lee submissive? - 6/3/2009 12:17:10 PM   
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even if the song itself suggests possible submission...

Even if? Hmmm. Maybe I should have been more clear what I meant by submissive in this case. I was referring to the power exchange aspect, as opposed to kinky leather and whips, and other parts of submission. Personally I see the power exchange part of submission to be one of the major parts, and it's that which I saw in the lyrics.

"Under your spell again.
Crave my heart and it's bleeding in your hand.
I can't say no to you.

Shouldn't let you torture me so sweetly.
Shouldn't let you conquer me completely.
Now I can't let go of this dream.
I can't breathe but I feel good enough for you.

And I've completely lost myself, and I don't mind."

I hear a female giving herself completely to her torturer - her conqueror - and only hoping that she's good enough for him. All he needs do is ask for her heart, and she'll rip it right out for him because she can't say no to him.

To me, that's power exchange, and I just about fell heels over head with the silly creature when I heard the song. Doesn't hurt that she's in a corset with all the trimmings, either. ;)

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...it doesn't make Amy Lee a sub just because she wrote something that could be interpreted as a submissive mindset.

Oh wow! So not all songs are literal? I had no idea! :-o

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I don't know if Amy is submissive, but the song gives me a strong submissive message, including a touch of sub frenzy in there.. but then I look at egg beaters funny, too, so I'm probably not the one to ask.

Actually, it's you (and anyone else who cares to read my post) I was asking, so thank you for your thoughts. :)
Good point about the sub frenzy. Definitely does feel a bit frantic and over-the-top at points. Not that I don't love having a girl dribbling and tripping over herself to submit, at times. :p

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RE: Seriously, is Amy Lee submissive? - 6/3/2009 12:41:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't know but if she is..... I am not sure if I could be functional as her Dominant without hurting her career.

I expect far too much to be okay with her professional life as it would interfere with what I am looking for. I am not saying that she would not be a wonderful submissive she just would not be right for my needs.

Yes, I said it and I mean it.... I would deny Amy Lee a collar if she begged it.

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RE: Seriously, is Amy Lee submissive? - 6/3/2009 1:30:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		There are A LOT of songs with lyrics that suggest some sort of power exchange or BDSM edge. I was listening to a Santana CD the other day, has the same song sung by Michele Branch (sp?) and Tina Turner.....seriously woman wanting to please her man stuff. It's everywhere.

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RE: Seriously, is Amy Lee submissive? - 6/3/2009 4:10:26 PM   
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even if the song itself suggests possible submission...

Even if? Hmmm. Maybe I should have been more clear what I meant by submissive in this case. I was referring to the power exchange aspect, as opposed to kinky leather and whips, and other parts of submission. Personally I see the power exchange part of submission to be one of the major parts, and it's that which I saw in the lyrics.

"Under your spell again.
Crave my heart and it's bleeding in your hand.
I can't say no to you.

Shouldn't let you torture me so sweetly.
Shouldn't let you conquer me completely.
Now I can't let go of this dream.
I can't breathe but I feel good enough for you.

And I've completely lost myself, and I don't mind."

I hear a female giving herself completely to her torturer - her conqueror - and only hoping that she's good enough for him. All he needs do is ask for her heart, and she'll rip it right out for him because she can't say no to him.




So......Is this the point at which you cum into your hand?

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RE: Seriously, is Amy Lee submissive? - 6/3/2009 4:43:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		From the interviews I've seen with Amy Lee, she says it's about her husband and that feeling you have when you're really in love with someone and you'd do anything for them.

It's not about being submissive..it's about being in love so deeply and completely.

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RE: Seriously, is Amy Lee submissive? - 6/3/2009 5:16:47 PM   
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It's not about being submissive..it's about being in love so deeply and completely.

Interesting that you don't think submissiveness and love can coexist.

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RE: Seriously, is Amy Lee submissive? - 6/3/2009 5:17:07 PM   
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From the interviews I've seen with Amy Lee, she says it's about her husband and that feeling you have when you're really in love with someone and you'd do anything for them.

It's not about being submissive..it's about being in love so deeply and completely.



These were my thoughts even without knowing about her personal feelings about her husband or knowing where any of it was coming from.  It could be taken in any context really.  

Those lyrics have been felt by every heartsick teenager under the sun, not to mention many adults in various types of relationships or states of mind.   It's not necessarily about being a submissive.  But when you're looking for submission that's what you're going to see in those words.

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RE: Seriously, is Amy Lee submissive? - 6/3/2009 5:31:33 PM   
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It's not about being submissive..it's about being in love so deeply and completely.

Interesting that you don't think submissiveness and love can coexist.


How do you get that out of what she said?

I mean seriously.... how did you come to believe that was the point she was trying to make?

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RE: Seriously, is Amy Lee submissive? - 6/3/2009 6:46:58 PM   
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It's not about being submissive..it's about being in love so deeply and completely.

Interesting that you don't think submissiveness and love can coexist.


That's not what I said.

They coexist quite wonderfully for me thanks.

But the song is not about being submissive. The song is about love. They are not one and the same.

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RE: Seriously, is Amy Lee submissive? - 6/3/2009 7:22:54 PM   
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Never heard that song before, but it's a little too Amy Lee for me.   

At any rate, no, I don't think the lyrics/video point to her necessarily being submissive.  And even if the song itself suggests possible submission, it doesn't make Amy Lee a sub just because she wrote something that could be interpreted as a submissive mindset.  Sorry to blow your fantasy, but the good thing about fantasy is that you can create it any way you like.

Yea but one sexy, talented candidate for sure. A pleasure upon whom I'd love to ply my inspiration.

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RE: Seriously, is Amy Lee submissive? - 6/3/2009 7:35:41 PM   
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How do you get that out of what she said?

She said it's about love - not about submission.
To me, that sounds like she thinks it can't be about both.
Obviously the person saying those lyrics is in love. My question was: Is there also submission in the song?

I think it'd be interesting to ask some vanilla people how they view those lyrics. If a girl is willing to change herself until she's no longer herself, for her man, is that vanilla? Is it vanilla to allow oneself to be tortured and conquered? To promise to always obey? To say your main focus is to be good enough for him? To happily go under his spell?

It stops short of using the word "control", but I find the song to be sung from a submissive perspective. Perhaps it depends where you draw the line between vanilla and submissive?

Interestingly, despite being one of the best songs on the album, and a huge fan favourite, it was never approved for radio.


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RE: Seriously, is Amy Lee submissive? - 6/4/2009 4:57:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		Is she a sub singing her song. Or did a sub songwriter write the lyrics for her, which makes her a Domme in RL?

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RE: Seriously, is Amy Lee submissive? - 6/4/2009 5:10:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		My little girl and I have also wondered whether Amy Lee is submissive or not. Regardless, it's a beautiful message and a beautiful song.

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RE: Seriously, is Amy Lee submissive? - 6/4/2009 5:23:09 AM   
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RE: Seriously, is Amy Lee submissive? - 6/4/2009 5:30:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		I don't know if Amy Lee is submissive or not, but I do know Mistress and I look at her like a walking wet dream. Plus, she looks down right domme and a little evil in "Call Me When You're Sober".

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RE: Seriously, is Amy Lee submissive? - 6/4/2009 6:05:20 AM   
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