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Industry Can't Guarantee Food Safety - 5/15/2009 10:08:18 AM   
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"Can't Guarantee Food Safety Anymore" Says Processed Food Industry

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The U.S. food industry has admitted that it has lost control over the quality and safety of the supply chain ingredients it uses in making processed foods. Since they don't want to become responsible for testing individual ingredients for contaminants, the industry is now seeking ways to make you, the consumer, responsible for foodborne illnesses so they can avoid liability. This paradigm shift is, of course, taking place quietly.

Food Companies Are Placing the Onus for Safety on Consumers
MICHAEL MOSS
New York Times

"Increasingly, the corporations that supply Americans with processed foods are unable to guarantee the safety of their ingredients. In this case, ConAgra could not pinpoint which of the more than 25 ingredients in its pies was carrying salmonella. Other companies do not even know who is supplying their ingredients, let alone if those suppliers are screening the items for microbes and other potential dangers, interviews and documents show."

Yet the supply chain for ingredients in processed foods — from flavorings to flour to fruits and vegetables — is becoming more complex and global as the drive to keep food costs down intensifies. As a result, almost every element, not just red meat and poultry, is now a potential carrier of pathogens, government and industry officials concede.

In addition to ConAgra, other food giants like Nestlé and the Blackstone Group, a New York firm that acquired the Swanson and Hungry-Man brands two years ago, concede that they cannot ensure the safety of items — from frozen vegetables to pizzas — and that they are shifting the burden to the consumer. General Mills, which recalled about five million frozen pizzas in 2007 after an E. coli outbreak, now advises consumers to avoid microwaves and cook only with conventional ovens. ConAgra has also added food safety instructions to its other frozen meals, including the Healthy Choice brand..."


...And the ingredient chain for frozen and other processed foods is poised to get more convoluted, industry insiders say. While the global market for ingredients is projected to reach $34 billion next year, the pressure to keep food prices down in a recession is forcing food companies to look for ways to cut costs.

Ensuring the safety of ingredients has been further complicated as food companies subcontract processing work to save money: smaller companies prepare flavor mixes and dough that a big manufacturer then assembles...


(more at http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/15/business/15ingredients.html?adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1242385702-ku3l7MWOnUlfTNemOp4M+A )

What's even worse is that the instructions that ConAgra says consumers have to follow to to be responsible for making the food safe to eat -- using a food thermometer and baking it in an oven to 165 degrees -- don't even work.

(From the above article):

"Its Banquet pies now have some of the most graphic food safety instructions, complete with a depiction of a thermometer piercing the crust....

The U.S.D.A. said it required companies to show that their cooking instructions, when properly followed, would kill any pathogens. ConAgra says it has done such testing to validate its instructions...

But attempts by The New York Times to follow the directions on several brands of frozen meals, including ConAgra’s Banquet pot pies, failed to achieve the required 165-degree temperature. Some spots in the pies heated to only 140 degrees even as parts of the crust were burnt...

In 2007, the U.S.D.A.’s inspection of the ConAgra plant in Missouri found records that showed some of ConAgra’s own testing of its directions failed to achieve “an adequate lethality” in several products, including its Chicken Fried Beef Steak dinner. Even 18 minutes in a large conventional oven brought the pudding in a Kid Cuisine Chicken Breast Nuggets meal to only 142 degrees, the federal agency found...

The pot pie instructions have built-in margins of error, Mr. Seiple said, and the risk to consumers depended on “how badly they followed our directions.”


So they say that the consumer is responsible for cooking the food safely to kill any pathogens that contaminate it, but the instructions don't work and most people don't cook processed food in laboratory conditions, using food thermometers and other testing equipment!

What about the toxins?

While news focus is on foodborne pathogens like salmonella and e. coli, what is totally ignored in the coverage of these outbreaks is that when sloppy conditions and negligent factories are discovered to be the cause of infectious outbreaks, the same conditions also cause contamination of food with toxic contaminants: industrial chemicals, pesticides, pollutants and trash.

The Georgia peanut butter factory that wasn't cleaning its equipment and letting contaminated water from a broken building drip into food for years, the companies that don't wash pesticide off produce before cooking up their canned soup product, and the factories that add chemicals and cut corners -- these are also problems but there are no outbreaks to alert us to them, because they involve toxins not germs that cause attention-getting outbreaks.

In my opinion, the chances are very high that the salmonella and other foodborne illness outbreaks are just the tip of the iceberg. If anyone did routinely test these processed foods for pollutants, industrial food plant chemicals, pesticides and things like machinery oils, I have a very strong feeling that we'd find more than just bacterial infections are out of control.

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RE: Industry Can't Guarantee Food Safety - 5/15/2009 11:31:52 AM   
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So they say that the consumer is responsible for cooking the food safely to kill any pathogens that contaminate it, but the instructions don't work...


Yes, absolutely, the consumer is responsible for how the meal is cooked! Common sense, aide from anything else, should tell you when something is cooked to a safe standard.

I worry as much as anyone what goes into our food, but I worry much more about the death of common sense and acquired experience over this insane desire to have everything covered in disclaimers and uber-precise instructions.

How messed up does a country have to get before it starts putting nut allergy warnings on a bag of nuts?? Some things don't have to be said, y'know?

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RE: Industry Can't Guarantee Food Safety - 5/15/2009 12:55:06 PM   
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ORIGINAL: janiebelle
... but the instructions don't work and most people don't cook processed food in laboratory conditions, using food thermometers and other testing equipment! ...

I routinely use food thermometers and other common sense ways of seeing if the food is cooked, and I am no where near what "most people" would call a cooking expert. One does not need expensive testing equipment to determine if food is cooked; the inexpensive food thermometer, eyeballs, and common sense are all that's required.

My suggestion for those who are afraid to or unwilling to heat up packaged processed food or meals at home, for fear of not cooking things correctly and thus running the risk of getting a food-based illness, is to go out to eat in restaurants. That way, the liability for getting ill rests on the restaurant and not the consumer.

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RE: Industry Can't Guarantee Food Safety - 5/15/2009 1:52:35 PM   
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I have stood absolutely aghast at mothers handing their children hot dogs from the fridge without a thought in the world.
Have they no idea what Listeria can do?
When was it ever the "industry's" job to guarantee safety?
Once automakers can guarantee that no one will be hurt in a crash (due to operator error)?
After all, isn't failing to properly prepare food just another example of "operator error"?
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RE: Industry Can't Guarantee Food Safety - 5/15/2009 2:01:07 PM   
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Oh hell, how is eating a cold hotdog any different than eating cold cuts?

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RE: Industry Can't Guarantee Food Safety - 5/15/2009 2:09:20 PM   
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The efforts to dodge accountability have taken a new twist.

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RE: Industry Can't Guarantee Food Safety - 5/15/2009 2:12:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: janiebelle

I have stood absolutely aghast at mothers handing their children hot dogs from the fridge without a thought in the world.
Have they no idea what Listeria can do?
j


Seriously - hot dogs?
If people had some germs and ate a bit of dirt now and then, we wouldn't be in the fuck mess illness wise were are in today.
 
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RE: Industry Can't Guarantee Food Safety - 5/15/2009 2:14:36 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

Oh hell, how is eating a cold hotdog any different than eating cold cuts?


Shelf life, casings, packaging process, etc make hot dogs distinct even from their coldcut cousin bologna.
Either way, it's not a big deal for healthy adults, but for toddlers, old folks, or the immuno compromised, heat the outside of that frank before your kid eats it.
If you have people who are susceptible to issues like Listeria (read PREGNANT women, Listeria causes miscarriage), play it safe and heat the coldcuts before consuming.
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RE: Industry Can't Guarantee Food Safety - 5/15/2009 2:19:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: janiebelle
Shelf life, casings, packaging process, etc make hot dogs distinct even from their coldcut cousin bologna.
Either way, it's not a big deal for healthy adults, but for toddlers, old folks, or the immuno compromised, heat the outside of that frank before your kid eats it.
If you have people who are susceptible to issues like Listeria (read PREGNANT women, Listeria causes miscarriage), play it safe and heat the coldcuts before consuming.
j


And how long do you heat these cold cuts for?  How do you heat?  Where do you store them? How long can you keep them before they should not be consumed?  Lets take into account all the heat, times of day, area you live in.blah.blah.blah.
Your far to simple advice is way more dangerous than consuming an untouched piece of cold cut.
 
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RE: Industry Can't Guarantee Food Safety - 5/15/2009 2:32:55 PM   
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ORIGINAL: janiebelle
Shelf life, casings, packaging process, etc make hot dogs distinct even from their coldcut cousin bologna.
Either way, it's not a big deal for healthy adults, but for toddlers, old folks, or the immuno compromised, heat the outside of that frank before your kid eats it.
If you have people who are susceptible to issues like Listeria (read PREGNANT women, Listeria causes miscarriage), play it safe and heat the coldcuts before consuming.
j


And how long do you heat these cold cuts for?  How do you heat?  Where do you store them? How long can you keep them before they should not be consumed?  Lets take into account all the heat, times of day, area you live in.blah.blah.blah.
Your far to simple advice is way more dangerous than consuming an untouched piece of cold cut.
 
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Let me give more detail, then...
Listeria monocytogenes  is introduced after the production phase, in the packaging area.  This bacteria thrives in cold temps, but is easily eliminated by heating to 160 F.
Since it is introduced only to the OUTSIDE of the product, and grows in the moisture inside of the packaging, in refrigerator temps, the easiest way to nip the issue in the bud is to heat the outside of the product to 160 F before consuming.  A couple of minutes in a skillet does the trick.
As to your earlier point- perhaps people would be better off with a "herd immunity" perspective, but that's not the society we live in.
Listeriosis is a unique fright because of the spontaneous abortion issue.  More than a dozen people died in one single incident in packaged hot dogs from Sara Lee.
Feel free to eat all of the cold hot dogs you wish to.  In a healthy adult the worst you'll get is a minor illness.  Pregnant females, tho, should at least be aware of the risk and make an informed decision.
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RE: Industry Can't Guarantee Food Safety - 5/15/2009 2:38:07 PM   
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Now I am craving some Nathan's dogs, thank you very much!

I forsee a trip to the supermarket on my way home.


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RE: Industry Can't Guarantee Food Safety - 5/15/2009 2:38:57 PM   
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I wouldn't eat a hotdog anyway.  Do you know what they put in those things?
And have you ever been pregnant?
 
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RE: Industry Can't Guarantee Food Safety - 5/15/2009 2:39:49 PM   
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You need a Nathan's dog.

I almost never ate hotdogs, then I was converted. It's become an addiction.


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RE: Industry Can't Guarantee Food Safety - 5/16/2009 1:56:04 PM   
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Yes, Listeria is more of a danger to immunocompromised persons, however, even among those it so rare, that there is not really a reason to push the panic button if a child is eating a cold hotdog.

Would you care to cite some infection rates in the risk groups to substantiate your claims?

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RE: Industry Can't Guarantee Food Safety - 5/16/2009 2:50:13 PM   
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Koegels hot dogs from Flint MI are the bestest in the world! And the only ones I like but of course they aren't available in Texas.

As far as the dangers of processed foods? Nutritionally they are garbage. And very small ones shouldn't eat hot dogs because of the choking factor, they are perfectly shaped to wedge inside the throat.

foodroutes.org is pretty interesting if you're searching for good local food. It is so much healthier to eat local for your main diet.

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