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sblady -> RE: Eat Less, Lose Weight (5/9/2009 2:00:02 PM)

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ORIGINAL: housesub4you

I went out to eat a few weeks ago with some friends and when I got home I checked the web site for the salt and calorie count of the food I ate.  It was a pasta dish, over 12000 calories and 8400mg's of salt   It was chicken and pasta, what a killer meal


[image]http://www.collarchat.com/micons/m28.gif[/image]  Oh my!!  Isn't it amazing the amount of fat, calories and sodium in "simple dishes"?  I ate a simple meal at one of my favorite restaurants and decided to check the nutritional value (of course this was after the fact).  I was almost in tears when I saw how unhealthy it was.  That was all I needed to keep me out of that restaurant even if they do serve lower calorie meals.

NuevaVida.... That's freakin' awesome!!!  I love Weight Watchers and "try" to stick to their plan as I'd lost 44 pounds when I was a member and able to exercise at least 30 minutes to an hour 4-5 days per week.  I'm trying to get back on track as an injury put me out of commission exercise wise, but I'm slowly but surely working my way back to a healthy lifestyle.

Sorry for the derailment!!!  [;)]






AngelGeena -> RE: Eat Less, Lose Weight (5/9/2009 2:05:48 PM)

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I went out to eat a few weeks ago with some friends and when I got home I checked the web site for the salt and calorie count of the food I ate.  It was a pasta dish, over 12000 calories and 8400mg's of salt   It was chicken and pasta, what a killer meal



twelve thousand calories???  remind me not to eat that




Venatrix -> RE: Eat Less, Lose Weight (5/9/2009 2:42:20 PM)

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ORIGINAL: housesub4you

I went out to eat a few weeks ago with some friends and when I got home I checked the web site for the salt and calorie count of the food I ate.  It was a pasta dish, over 12000 calories and 8400mg's of salt   It was chicken and pasta, what a killer meal



That has to be a typo; I'm sure you meant 1200 calories.  Twelve thousand calories would be the average woman's recommended caloric intake for SIX DAYS.  Of course, 1200 calories is bad enough.  My average lunch or dinner meal doesn't go over 500.




YourhandMyAss -> RE: Eat Less, Lose Weight (5/9/2009 2:47:19 PM)

And myself too stay over weight to poor eating choices, and I know most out there are this way due to their own choices I'll never deny that, , I just get a bit annoyed with the one method will work for all perception that sometimes flies around here.


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ORIGINAL: NuevaVida

Correct, YHMY, but I would say the majority of overweight people, myself included, is the result of overeating. 





KatyLied -> RE: Eat Less, Lose Weight (5/9/2009 4:57:09 PM)

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Going to a party...it's centered around the enjoyment of cooking, serving, having friends over, and enjoying food and drink together.


Yes, and for many of us it started in childhood.  Our mothers preparing our favorite foods, as a signal of love and affection (I did it for my kids as well, but they are tall, skinny men).  In my family we can't have a get together unless it is surrounded by food, with endless discussions of who is bringing what and "will we have enough?"  Please enough for a freaking army.  There is only so much walking, biking, aerobics you can do to counterract the constant temptation to eat.  There is only so much you can give up, there is only so much calorie shaving that you can do until you are left with bland food. 






Joseff -> RE: Eat Less, Lose Weight (5/9/2009 7:52:18 PM)

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ORIGINAL: UglyTruth

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ORIGINAL: Joseff
... Humanity has never been as prosperous as now, and our bodies are not evolved for plenty. And the only real solution would be to go back to leaner, harder times. Nobody realistically wants to do that.


I don't think that's the only solution. Plenty of people have found some success with Paleo-type diets and intermittent fasting.


Granted, there are numerous diets that people have great success with, those who will commit to the goals of weight loss  Actually I was referring to the "Obesity Epidemic" where society seems to be getting fatter.




Joseff -> RE: Eat Less, Lose Weight (5/9/2009 8:01:17 PM)

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ORIGINAL: hlen5

Our bodies are engineered precisely for plenty. In times of plenty our bodies store for the times when food is scarce. Bodies that can bulk up will survive the leaner times. Survive during the leaner times and it's YOUR genes continuing the species.

I don't mean to imply it's OK to eat til you explode, keeping a healthy weight is the ideal.

Edited for last sentence.

But that is an adaptation for surviving lean times, our bodies take advantage of the plentiful times in order to survive the lean ones. If we were  engineered for plenty, we could eat a great deal more and not gain the weight.




Kalista07 -> RE: Eat Less, Lose Weight (5/9/2009 8:20:27 PM)

It's threads like this that really irritate me beyond all belief. Seriously, the whole "eat less exercise more" is good in theory...... But, for me it does not work and it does nothing but send me right over the freaking edge....
In the past i had reduced my food intake to a point where i did not consume anything but water for three weeks and two days. And i was working out like a freaking maniac during that entire time...Seriously...  i would work out at the gym for an hour and a half every morning and then walk three miles every evening..... At the end of that time i had once again gained a significant portion of weight.
Currently, i try and eat a little something at least two (aim for three) times a day.  My doctor put me on a medication to boost up my metabolism, but i truly fear i've screwed it up beyond all repair.
Kali





LookieNoNookie -> RE: Eat Less, Lose Weight (5/9/2009 8:41:57 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

Increased Food Intake Alone Explains Rise In Obesity In United States, Study Finds

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The researchers found that in children, the predicted and actual weight increase matched exactly, indicating that the increases in energy intake alone over the 30 years studied could explain the weight increase....

"For adults, we predicted that they would be 10.8 kg heavier, but in fact they were 8.6 kg heavier. That suggests that excess food intake still explains the weight gain, but that there may have been increases in physical activity over the 30 years that have blunted what would otherwise have been a higher weight gain," Swinburn said.

He emphasized that physical activity should not be ignored as a contributor to reducing obesity and should continue to be promoted because of its many other benefits, but that expectations regarding what can be achieved with exercise need to be lowered and public health policy shifted more toward encouraging people to eat less.

K.



Hmmmmm

Eat more....weigh more....eat less...weigh less....

(Kinda sounds logical).




humbledude64 -> RE: Eat Less, Lose Weight (5/10/2009 3:21:18 AM)

Food is a good topic.  It's something everyone can relate to.  There is no Food Anonymous-- we all have to strike some sort of relationship with it.  Hmmm...Does America have a TPE relationship with food as the dominant partner?  Maybe that's something to consider.  Maybe Ronald McDonald is your true Master?  Do food companies' healthy bottom line depend on America's ever expanding waistline?   Buy more- way more.  Eat more. Weigh more.  Does unfettered Capitalism lead to obesity?  In the good ol' days, weren't poor people actually thin?  That's so NOT what I wanted to say-- but interesting to ponder nonetheless.

What I was wondering is if anyone had the same weakness I do?  I can pass aisles and aisles of my favorite junk food now.  (I couldn't in the old days, but now I can.)  When these items go on sale, they get my attention, but I still can muster the needed restraint.  BUT when they go on a great sale and have a coupon attached.... the walls come down.  The other day I got a 19 ounce Sara Lee cheesecake with strawberries on top for $1.65.  How could I resist?  I came home and ate it with the same abandon Gollum ate that fish he caught in Lord of the Rings.  There's something about free or really cheap food that I find hard to pass up, so since I know it is my weakness I really don't go out of my way hunting for it.

I wish you success in all your food relationships!




housesub4you -> RE: Eat Less, Lose Weight (5/10/2009 4:25:43 AM)


Here is what I ate and the calorie count and the salt levels

Calamari  callories 890  salt 2300mg
Hot Artichoke-Spinach Dip  (c) 660   (s)1450mg

Chicken Alfredo (c) 1430  (s) 2030mg

Chocolate Gelato (c) 620  (s)150

This was for 1 meal, I thought it was around 1200, not 12000 so I looked it up again

totals   Calories 3600  salt 5140 mg  Now a 590mg = about 1/4 tsp of salt 

This was at Olive garden, I did not include drinks or the bread, nor the free salad they give you with the creamy dressing.  This was bad enough now the appiz. where split with 1 other person

I hardly ever eat out, mainly because, 1 I love to cook and 2, meals like this are common place at these national chains


















KatyLied -> RE: Eat Less, Lose Weight (5/10/2009 5:08:20 AM)

Kalista - it never works (long-term) to stop eating, it puts your body in starvation mode.  It's actually one of the worst things you can do to mess up your metabolism.




barelynangel -> RE: Eat Less, Lose Weight (5/10/2009 6:14:07 AM)

Every diet or way of life i have investigated and learned about even if its not at the beginning in the END CALORIES DO COUNT BUT so does WHAT you eat. So yeah it does matter how much you eat. YOU HAVE to eventually eat less than what you burn to lose weight. What people don't understand is sometimes certain ways of eating help you burn more fo you actually believe you are eating more not less. But most people if they add up calories before they attempted to lose weight versus when they are trying they will see that they actually do BURN more than they eat, which is what this whole concept really is. People are eating more food than they are burning which is causing the massive overweightness.

I am a big low carber and many believe that eating as much as you want is okay but its not. They do appear to eat more than say lower fat diets because of what they are eating but on average if they do the low carb correctly they are actually eating less calories than what they had before on average of a day eating less over all because the fat and protein they are eating keeps them full and body burning.

Also what most people don't realize that KatyLied touched on above, many people have completely screwed up their metabolisms and therefore, they have created issues as to why their body isn't working correctly. Its a consequence. So many times people have to spend time getting their body working correctly again.

angel




Aneirin -> RE: Eat Less, Lose Weight (5/10/2009 6:14:43 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

Increased Food Intake Alone Explains Rise In Obesity In United States, Study Finds

Excerpts:

The researchers found that in children, the predicted and actual weight increase matched exactly, indicating that the increases in energy intake alone over the 30 years studied could explain the weight increase....

"For adults, we predicted that they would be 10.8 kg heavier, but in fact they were 8.6 kg heavier. That suggests that excess food intake still explains the weight gain, but that there may have been increases in physical activity over the 30 years that have blunted what would otherwise have been a higher weight gain," Swinburn said.

He emphasized that physical activity should not be ignored as a contributor to reducing obesity and should continue to be promoted because of its many other benefits, but that expectations regarding what can be achieved with exercise need to be lowered and public health policy shifted more toward encouraging people to eat less.

K.





Wow, you don't say, whoever thought to linking the eating of more food to increased body size, what a novel idea.

Of course it is, I always knew that, the more food eaten, and not only of the wrong type, but any food in excess leads to increased mass, what is wrong with people.

Now I don't need to worry about waist line, mine stays the same no matter how much or how little I eat, has been that way for the last 30 yrs or so,the effect is I can't develop visual muscle, but I can't develop fat either.

I have gone sort of vegetarian, not because of ethics and stuff, but because I cannot afford organic meat, so I do still eat meat, but reserve it for a special occaision, a treat for myself now and again and I eat it with relish. Processed meat, mechanically recovered meat, I am wary of, this cradle to the prime in the shortest amount of time possible isn't natural, perhaps we are reaping what we have sown.

Now, I don't need to lose weight, nor gain it, but my diet has made me healthier in both body and mind, so perhaps meat is not meant to be eaten all the time, perhaps look at our ancestors, what they ate, those who had a good diet, what was it they were doing. The same with Asia, the middle east, the far east, the mediterranean, places where heart disease and the various cancers are not so much of a problem, what are they doing right and us in the west doing totally wrong.




Venatrix -> RE: Eat Less, Lose Weight (5/10/2009 7:01:48 AM)

Yes, that sounds more likely, but it still definitely explains why Americans are so fat.  I virtually never eat out.  One, for health reasons and two, because I really do prefer my own cooking.  "Eating out" also refers to packaged food at the supermarket.  I can't tell you the number of things I've put back on the shelf after checking the nutrition label, and I'm not a particularly abstemious eater.  Obviously, though, people should check the nutritional information of their meals *before* they eat them, not afterwards.[;)]




barelynangel -> RE: Eat Less, Lose Weight (5/10/2009 7:15:02 AM)

That is something MANY plans are now teaching people. Low carb -- which is really one of the only ones i can speak of knowledgebly -- takes people away from the crap load of sugar in foods, have people read labels which many times shows them they are actually eating OFF plan or putting more of one type of food that throws their body off because its part of a packaged food (i.e., nuts, sugars, and sugar alcohols tend to be big ones), substituting good fats for the bad ones we are so use to having, getting back to basics to cooking, and realizing how many fillers are used in things as preservatives that doesn't work well with many metabolisms.

Also, i FULLY believe because i am LAZY lol that when something is prepared for you, its EASIER to eat more of it than if you have to prepare it yourself. I.e., take grated cheese versus grating your own. Its easier to simpy grab a HANDFUL of grated cheese to throw into a meal without considering how much you have thrown in or you do it as second nature while destracted doing something else, versus having to actually grate the cheese which focuses your attention as to the work you are doing.

Getting back to basics is difficult -- :-( especially if you are a horrible impatient cook lol. But i think personally if people spend more time preparing the food they eat it would bring people back to noticing portions again and not making A LOT because its easy too.

I remember when i was a kid a pound of ground beef would create a dish that would feed a family of four 2 preteens and 2 adults with left overs and now when i see families many of them use twice that much with no left overs.

angel




Irishknight -> RE: Eat Less, Lose Weight (5/10/2009 11:47:32 AM)

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ORIGINAL: YourhandMyAss

Not every one will loose weight by eating less and exercising. It is rare, but there are some people with medical conditions that make this not so, and before any one pooh poohs this, it's been proven. There are people That this one true way fits all will not work for them.


Even though we know that a small minority of people falls within this group, too many falsely claim it as an excuse.  I have known dozens who claim a medical condition when, in fact, they just eat too damned much. 
A friend of mine a few years ago sat blaiming her extra weight on having a baby.  She had already eaten half a package of Oreos while we were hanging out that afternoon.  I don't mean theone person ones either.  She was halfway through a family pack.  But her fat wasn't do to 50 cookies in an afternoon.  It was due to her 4 year old daughter? 
I know that certain meds cause one to pack on the weight.  I gained 70 lbs on prednisone and THEN the doctor told me that it might cause rapid weight gain.  I am still at fault for not looking up the drug's possible side effects myself.  I do that now with every med prescribed to me.




onefatkangaroo -> RE: Eat Less, Lose Weight (5/10/2009 11:54:55 AM)

Just to throw this out there, how about as i did, forget about what the scale says, what other people say about being fat, and eat right, excerise, have a treat once in awhile and above all LOVE YOURSELF?

*Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, behold! Your beautiful!*




YourhandMyAss -> RE: Eat Less, Lose Weight (5/10/2009 5:30:32 PM)

That's what I did once, I stopped eating tv dinners and having glasses of juice I didn't even have to exercise that much just a walk everyday, and the weight poured off.  Course i gained it and more back when we started eating fast food every week and not being careful, but now that we're restricting eating out, I am happily maintaining my weight.
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ORIGINAL: onefatkangaroo

Just to throw this out there, how about as i did, forget about what the scale says, what other people say about being fat, and eat right, excerise, have a treat once in awhile and above all LOVE YOURSELF?

*Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, behold! Your beautiful!*




YourhandMyAss -> RE: Eat Less, Lose Weight (5/10/2009 5:32:44 PM)

Yup, I did say that those people who medically can not help it, or are just fat and that's the way they're made are rare. I am just tired of this one way fits all stuff that's always preached. Because we're all unique and what worked for person  a will not always work for person b.
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ORIGINAL: Irishknight



Even though we know that a small minority of people falls within this group, too many falsely claim it as an excuse.  I have known dozens who claim a medical condition when, in fact, they just eat too damned much. 





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