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RE: Concerns and fears about the swine flu/Washing your... - 5/1/2009 6:04:53 PM   
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Good points Mz.

I think one of the reasons I'm not terribly worried is that there's a new pandemic of the week all the time.  Oh god, sars is going to kill millions!  Oh god, bird flu is going to kill millions!  Oh god spinach/tomato/peanut e-coli is going to kill millions!  Oh god swine flu is... *SLAP* SHUT UP!  I'm trying to sleep here...

I'm just so bored of hearing about all these things every time I turn around.  We seem to just get more terrified and panicky every day... 


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RE: Concerns and fears about the swine flu/Washing your... - 5/1/2009 6:08:24 PM   
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I must be a filthy germ bag hillbilly. I never wear rubber gloves and only wash my hands when their are dirty. I have zero intention of getting a silly paper mask.

I fully believe we have become too germaphobic which leads to weak immune systems. I am quite healthy and plan on staying that way.

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RE: Concerns and fears about the swine flu/Washing your... - 5/1/2009 6:17:53 PM   
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filthy germbag hillbilly... LOL!  But, you forgot hippie!  ;)

Kidding, of course.  That line just struck me as hilarious for some reason.


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RE: Concerns and fears about the swine flu/Washing your... - 5/1/2009 6:17:57 PM   
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Actually LaT, I don't wear gloves that often at home, unless I am doing something
really dirty.

At work, a few of my lovelies need assitance toileting, so gloves are provided, by law.  

I also live in the city, if I lived in the country I might feel different.

There are many dirty, nasty birds in the big city.

At the end of the day, it is whatever makes the individual comfortable.
If people want to wear masks while traveling, or take whatever precautions they feel are necessary it is their choice.

You have every right to NOT wash your hands, as do the people who wash their hands often, wear gloves, masks, or whatever
device they are comfortable using. 

I love individual differences!
LaT rarely washes her hands and she is very healthy, I wash my hands a lot and I am very healthy.

I almost never get a cold, or any other respiratory infections, despite the population I work very closely with.
But then, I have many other healthy habits, potions and concoctions that I use to help ward off nasty things.
I can't think of the last serious cold I had.
Viva la differnce.
Whatever works!

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RE: Concerns and fears about the swine flu/Washing your... - 5/1/2009 6:20:27 PM   
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I wash my hands pretty regularly. I'm not a fanatic about it, but I wash them everytime I go into a restroom or if I am about to handle food. If I handle one food item like a steak or a salad, I will wash my hands before handling the other. I do have some hand sanitizer, but I've only used it when I've actually got cuts or scratches on my hands.

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RE: Concerns and fears about the swine flu/Washing your... - 5/2/2009 3:03:04 PM   
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I constantly hear of kids of the current generation who have asthma, etc..and I truly think that much of it is due to their parents almost hysterical refusal to allow their kids to be near anyone or anything that could possibly have any taint of pollen, pet dander, smoke, etc.

I agree with your Grandma, Susie.... eat a bit of dirt and it's healthier.

I do wash my hand with anti-bacterial soap before I handle food, but thats just common sense, IMO



No, they say anti-bacterial soap and anti-bacterial household cleaners follow the same pattern you stated earlier.



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RE: Concerns and fears about the swine flu/Washing your... - 5/2/2009 3:16:57 PM   
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I think one of the reasons I'm not terribly worried is that there's a new pandemic of the week all the time.  Oh god, sars is going to kill millions!  Oh god, bird flu is going to kill millions!  Oh god spinach/tomato/peanut e-coli is going to kill millions!  Oh god swine flu is... *SLAP* SHUT UP!  I'm trying to sleep here...

I'm just so bored of hearing about all these things every time I turn around.  We seem to just get more terrified and panicky every day... 



Let's not forget West Nile Virus.  So we need to slather on chemical mosquito sprays that probably have a greater potential for long-term damage than any threat from a mosquito-borne virus.

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RE: Concerns and fears about the swine flu/Washing your... - 5/2/2009 3:17:52 PM   
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I didn't notice anyone pointing out so I will.

The scary thing about Swine Flu (if it mutates further) is that currently it utilizes something called a cytokine storm... this makes the body fight itself. The stronger your immune systme pre-infection, the heavier hitting the virus is. It's a lot like the 1918 pandemic in the sense that younger people are at more risk from this than older people or children.

It's not particularly horrible right now, from what can be told... what's truely terrifying is what could happen IF it mutates.

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RE: Concerns and fears about the swine flu/Washing your... - 5/2/2009 3:19:03 PM   
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rule..notice I said I use it BEFORE I handle food (and after, I forgot to add).  The rest of the time, it's plain old soap and water.

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RE: Concerns and fears about the swine flu/Washing your... - 5/2/2009 3:41:07 PM   
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The point is the anti-bacterial part.  I don't see the distinction between using it only when handling food.  It's the same problem that you and others stated earlier, weakening the immune system by limiting our exposure to common bacteria that our bodies would normally handle.

Besides, those little critters add flavor to almost any meal.
 

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RE: Concerns and fears about the swine flu/Washing your... - 5/2/2009 3:46:52 PM   
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Swine flu isn't spreading as fast as the fear and that is the facts of that.

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RE: Concerns and fears about the swine flu/Washing your... - 5/2/2009 4:18:11 PM   
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Fast reply

In my earlier post I may have come across as a bit OCD or fanatical about how much I wash or use sanitizer. Under normal situations, when there isn't a current cold or flu virus going around, I'm no more of a fanatic about things than anyone else. And I agree that you have to catch some bugs to keep your immune system up to par. However, after having my spleen removed I was told that every time I even got a sniffle I should go see the doctor. I don't just get "sniffles". If I catch a cold it normally turns into at least bronchitis, and often walking pneumonia. I have coughed so hard at times that I have actually ripped open old surgical scars causing hernias. So if I know there is a cold or flu virus going around I do go to excesses to avoid catching those particular bugs.

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RE: Concerns and fears about the swine flu/Washing your... - 5/2/2009 4:19:15 PM   
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The point is the anti-bacterial part.  I don't see the distinction between using it only when handling food.  It's the same problem that you and others stated earlier, weakening the immune system by limiting our exposure to common bacteria that our bodies would normally handle.

Besides, those little critters add flavor to almost any meal.
 


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If I handle one food item like a steak or a salad, I will wash my hands before handling the other.


agreed.


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RE: Concerns and fears about the swine flu/Washing your... - 5/2/2009 5:32:00 PM   
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Add to your list MzMia:

Salt and pepper shakers on the table
Ketchup bottles on the table : let's not get into the proper spelling of ketchup etc.
Putting your hands on faucets and then lathering up your hands and then putting them back on the faucet to reinfect yourself
Sneezing and using your hands to cover your face and then opening a door with the door handle..

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RE: Concerns and fears about the swine flu/Washing your... - 5/3/2009 4:30:51 AM   
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Add to your list MzMia:

Salt and pepper shakers on the table
Ketchup bottles on the table : let's not get into the proper spelling of ketchup etc.
Putting your hands on faucets and then lathering up your hands and then putting them back on the faucet to reinfect yourself
Sneezing and using your hands to cover your face and then opening a door with the door handle..

I think there may be a fine line between being cautious and being paranoid. If is comes down to where anything you touch is suspect, then even buying food and any product in a store for that matter, is a potential hazzard. By that reasing, pumping gas is a danger, opening any door may be dangerous, breathing might be an issue. Short of locking yourself in you home and never going out, I don't see a logical solution if it is this serious. I'll stick to washing hands and avoiding places where folks may be in too close proximity for comfort, but I can't see avoiding the public world, in an effort to survive.

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RE: Concerns and fears about the swine flu/Washing your... - 5/3/2009 6:57:08 AM   
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I always wash before eating and after using a public restroom.I also use a paper towel to open the restroom door when leaving if it`s a pull door.I push it open w/ my foot if it`s an outie.

With thousands dying every year from influenza complications,I`m puzzled as to why there is so much fear over this type.

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RE: Concerns and fears about the swine flu/Washing your... - 5/3/2009 2:48:03 PM   
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I always wash before eating and after using a public restroom.I also use a paper towel to open the restroom door when leaving if it`s a pull door.I push it open w/ my foot if it`s an outie.


Same here. I take it a step further, too. I don't flush the toilet unless I can do it with my foot. You know that push-button above the urinal? The last guy who pushed it? The last thing he touched before he pressed that button was his dripping dick.


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With thousands dying every year from influenza complications,I`m puzzled as to why there is so much fear over this type.


I think it was a combination of extremely poor information management and unprofessional methodology by Mexican heath authorities, compounded by hysterical reporting by American "news" agencies.

It all started with Mexico reporting that they had a new strain of the flu that had infected about 1,000 people and killed about 70 of them, numbers which quickly climbed to 2,000 cases and about 150 deaths. This initial report suggested a mortality rate of approximately 7%, which is extremely high. And the news networks jumped all over it without asking some very important questions. First of all, in retrospect, since when does a flu bug only infect 1,000 (or 2,000) people in a city as large and as densely packed as Mexico City? Common sense should have told all of us - and certainly told medical professionals specializing in epidemiology and infectious diseases - that there had to be way, way more than 2,000 actual cases, and the more actual cases there were, the lower the mortality rate. And the lower the mortality rate, the less unusual (and less dangerous) this strain is. Looking back now, a week later, it appears more and more that this flu was much more widespread than previously reported, but that most people didn't go to the doctor because... duh... it was just the flu. The couple of thousand who did seek treatment did so because they were unusually sick, and that's what skewed the initial numbers. And thus the initial estimates of the lethality.

And, while i don't want to rush to judgment, I have to wonder how badly American health officials dropped that very same ball. It's clear now, from the interviews I've seen over the last few days, that they're finally reaching that same conclusion, but given that ordinary people like myself were asking these questions 4 or 5 days ago, why did it seemingly take these medical experts so many days to start doing the same math I was doing on Tuesday and Wednesday? Everything they've been saying the last 48 hours or so has sounded like classic "cover-your-ass-speak." I think they just don't want to admit they acted too hastily on too little information.

And don't even get me started on their pathetic efforts to explain what Biden really meant to say when he so plainly announced he would recommend to his family that they stay off of airplanes and subways; everyone who saw the interview knows exactly what he said, and the Administration's subequent efforts to completely rewrite history serve only to undermine their overal credibility on the entire swine flu issue. It makes it more difficult for  me to believe that anything they say on the subject is the real truth, rather than some lame attempt to duck responsibility and manage public perceptions.

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RE: Concerns and fears about the swine flu/Washing your... - 5/3/2009 4:14:05 PM   
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Swine flu isn't spreading as fast as the fear and that is the facts of that.


You mean I can stop wearing my Haz-mat suit now?

You know it saved me from SARS, West Nile virus, and the Avian flu.

You can never be too careful!

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RE: Concerns and fears about the swine flu/Washing your... - 5/3/2009 4:19:07 PM   
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I do what I've always done. I wash my fricking hands... something that 99% of the sticky little population doesn't seem to comprehend. 

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RE: Concerns and fears about the swine flu/Washing your... - 5/3/2009 8:40:43 PM   
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Wearing surgical mask is kind of funny. The regular ones don't prevent you from catching anything. They only keep you from spreading your disease.

Anyways, just how serious is the swine flu? Entire school districts are shutting down for about a week. Day Care facilities are being ask to close down. Major city events such as Cinco de Myo, May Fest, and Special Olympics are being canceled.

However, if it's such a big deal, then why are the NBA play offs MLB games continue without missing a beat? Basket Ball is played indoors where it's crowed and the air gets thick. Shouldn't the NBA post pone a few games for the safety of its players and over charged ticket buying fans?

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