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Swine Flu:Canadian Woman refused re entry - 4/28/2009 4:54:10 AM   
maybemaybenot


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Status: offline 		"The family of a Canadian woman who fell critically ill due to a severe asthma attack in Mexico says that health officials in Canada are refusing her a hospital bed in Toronto because of unfounded swine flu fears. "


http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20090426/victoria_mexico_090426/20090426?hub=Canada

This is the most frightening thing I have read regarding the Swine Flu. I am scheduled to leave for Playa del Carmen, Mexico in three weeks. Until I read this I had no plans on canceling unless the government prevented it. Now, I am considering canceling. The idea of being denied re entry into my own country  is unimaginable to me. My heart breaks for this family who may not get to say goodbye to their loved one who will die on foriegn soil, unless the Canadian Government takes a humane approach to a dying citizen.
I am not Canadian, but I can see reaction like this becoming more the norm, than a fluke. The over reaction and " sky is falling "attitude regarding this crisis is frightening. It's the flipping flu, for God's sake.
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RE: Swine Flu:Canadian Woman refused re entry - 4/28/2009 5:06:33 AM   
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"The family of a Canadian woman who fell critically ill due to a severe asthma attack in Mexico says that health officials in Canada are refusing her a hospital bed in Toronto because of unfounded swine flu fears. "
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20090426/victoria_mexico_090426/20090426?hub=Canada

This is the most frightening thing I have read regarding the Swine Flu. I am scheduled to leave for Playa del Carmen, Mexico in three weeks. Until I read this I had no plans on canceling unless the government prevented it. Now, I am considering canceling. The idea of being denied re entry into my own country  is unimaginable to me. My heart breaks for this family who may not get to say goodbye to their loved one who will die on foriegn soil, unless the Canadian Government takes a humane approach to a dying citizen.
I am not Canadian, but I can see reaction like this becoming more the norm, than a fluke. The over reaction and " sky is falling "attitude regarding this crisis is frightening. It's the flipping flu, for God's sake.
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This is only the beginning. In the future, there may be a whole list of additonal reason for any govt. to deny their own citizens...rentry into their own country.

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RE: Swine Flu:Canadian Woman refused re entry - 4/28/2009 5:16:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		Exactly, Mr R... it is truely frightening. I hope the Canadian people aredrowning their MPs with e mails and letters to get this girl home to her family. It's shameful, and sadly, I expect to see other countries follow suit.

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RE: Swine Flu:Canadian Woman refused re entry - 4/28/2009 6:10:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		From your link: "Andrew Morrison, a spokesperson for Ontario's Ministry of Health and Long-Term Care, said Monday that the ministry is unaware of any shortages of intensive care beds.

As well, hospitals in the province have not been told to turn away patients travelling from swine flu-infected countries, Morrison told CTV.ca."

The Canadian government isn't 'preventing' her from coming back to Canada. Your thread title is misleading at best.

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RE: Swine Flu:Canadian Woman refused re entry - 4/28/2009 6:52:50 AM   
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Exactly, Mr R... it is truely frightening. I hope the Canadian people aredrowning their MPs with e mails and letters to get this girl home to her family. It's shameful, and sadly, I expect to see other countries follow suit.


Well I read the story.  It doesn't sound like she is being stopped from coming home to me.  But let's say she did have the flu, and she was prevented from coming back.  So what?  Do you think we should endanger everyone for the sake of one person?  If a deadly disease broke out in a community, I would want them to be quarantined from leaving.  I'm sorry if that sounds heartless, but the safety of the majority outweighs my concern for the few poor souls that live in an area of a disease outbreak. 

You can call it an overreaction all you want.  Better safe than sorry is what I say.  We had an asshole with TB hop on a plane and come back here a year or so ago.  He endangered the lives of many, many people.  We have quarantines for a reason; it's not facism reborn despite what your emotions lead you to believe. 

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RE: Swine Flu:Canadian Woman refused re entry - 4/28/2009 8:46:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well said Slaveboy.  even if they denied her reentry, so what?  If she is found to be free of swine flu, THEN she gets to come back in.  We need to do the same thing in this country.  We also need to finally be vigilant on our southern borders to prevent infected people from crossing into this country.  Will it happen?  Not in my lifetime.

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RE: Swine Flu:Canadian Woman refused re entry - 4/28/2009 8:54:26 AM   
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If she is found to be free of swine flu, THEN she gets to come back in. 


She is/was found free of the flu, but is still being denied entry back to Canada.  Supposedly they are saying that no beds are available in any of the ICU units, but there are supposed reports that that isn't true. 

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RE: Swine Flu:Canadian Woman refused re entry - 4/28/2009 8:57:39 AM   
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being denied entry back to Canada.

No she's not...the Gvt is NOT denying her reentry...the hospitals in the GTA are refusing her a bed. It may amount to the same result, but it is different

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RE: Swine Flu:Canadian Woman refused re entry - 4/28/2009 9:25:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		I am not worried about this swine flu thing. No more than I was/am over West Nile, and I get hundreds of mosquito bites a year.

I love to travel, but right this moment I think I will happily stay close to home. I've seen how crazy people get over this stuff. I would not be surprised at a US citizen being denied re-entry based upon contagious health issues. It just seems foolhardy to tempt fate and deal with the hassle.

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RE: Swine Flu:Canadian Woman refused re entry - 4/28/2009 10:16:05 AM   
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RE: Swine Flu:Canadian Woman refused re entry - 4/28/2009 10:39:59 AM   
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RE: Swine Flu:Canadian Woman refused re entry - 4/28/2009 10:47:44 AM   
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True, but my bank account does have some severe travel restrictions. 


Oh, that wasn't directed at you. It was that stupid "fast reply" function. One of the most useless and idiotic features in the history of the Internets.


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RE: Swine Flu:Canadian Woman refused re entry - 4/28/2009 11:10:21 AM   
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RE: Swine Flu:Canadian Woman refused re entry - 4/28/2009 11:56:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		It looks like the media attention and several MPs have helped get her on her way home today !

http://www.healthzone.ca/health/article/625591

And my thread title was not meant to be " misleading at best ", kittinsol it was my misunderstanding. When I read the healthcare provider would med evac her home, I  thought the hospitals/Docs were under some government control.

Thank you, Arpig, for clarifying for me.

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RE: Swine Flu:Canadian Woman refused re entry - 4/28/2009 12:21:00 PM   
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Exactly, Mr R... it is truely frightening. I hope the Canadian people aredrowning their MPs with e mails and letters to get this girl home to her family. It's shameful, and sadly, I expect to see other countries follow suit.


Well I read the story.  It doesn't sound like she is being stopped from coming home to me.  But let's say she did have the flu, and she was prevented from coming back.  So what?  Do you think we should endanger everyone for the sake of one person?  If a deadly disease broke out in a community, I would want them to be quarantined from leaving.  I'm sorry if that sounds heartless, but the safety of the majority outweighs my concern for the few poor souls that live in an area of a disease outbreak. 

You can call it an overreaction all you want.  Better safe than sorry is what I say.  We had an asshole with TB hop on a plane and come back here a year or so ago.  He endangered the lives of many, many people.  We have quarantines for a reason; it's not facism reborn despite what your emotions lead you to believe. 


There were a whole bunch of people who felt the exact same way back in the 80's about San Francisco. We have seen how idiotic they were.

Andrew Speaker, the asshole with TB, was isolated, not quarantined. Hair splitting ? yes, but a bit different. The US government rarely quarantines. It is generally done at the state level and some states have pretty strict restrictions. La, for example, health officials need a judge to court order it.

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RE: Swine Flu:Canadian Woman refused re entry - 4/28/2009 2:16:43 PM   
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And my thread title was not meant to be " misleading at best ", kittinsol it was my misunderstanding. When I read the healthcare provider would med evac her home, I  thought the hospitals/Docs were under some government control.



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RE: Swine Flu:Canadian Woman refused re entry - 4/28/2009 2:20:50 PM   
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The over reaction and " sky is falling "attitude regarding this crisis is frightening. It's the flipping flu, for God's sake.
                                           


Spot on. I'm sure we were all going to die when bird flu/ebola/aids/swine flu '70s edition broke out.

It seems it's very much in the mind: people are slaves to their own anxieties and fears.

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RE: Swine Flu:Canadian Woman refused re entry - 4/28/2009 2:24:30 PM   
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being denied entry back to Canada.

No she's not...the Gvt is NOT denying her reentry...the hospitals in the GTA are refusing her a bed. It may amount to the same result, but it is different


It's the same damn thing.  She HAS to go into a medical facility.  There are no ICU beds available (supposedly).  So they aren't directly saying "you can't come back to home soil until we're sure you're not bringing the flu in".... Instead they're creatively preventing her from coming home,  with some bullshit story that a hospital bed in all of the Toronto area can't be found.  What if she had fallen ill when she was home?  Do you think there would be no hospital bed for her? 

I doubt it.

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RE: Swine Flu:Canadian Woman refused re entry - 4/28/2009 5:53:03 PM   
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ORIGINAL: maybemaybenot

And my thread title was not meant to be " misleading at best ", kittinsol it was my misunderstanding. When I read the healthcare provider would med evac her home, I  thought the hospitals/Docs were under some government control.



Morality: check your facts and don't make assumptions before posting hysterical threads - it will do your credibility a heap of good in the long run.


Kittin:

Whether or not I checked my facts or not, my dear, my position remains the same. It was a travesty, a tragedy and an outrage due to hype and " sky is falling " mentality remains unchanged. I did not  post erroneous material. I posted the story. I interpreted one part erroneously.  And much to your dismay, I am sure, I still say the Government could have interceded before it did. If the government knew the healthcare provider was not being 100% truthful or on the up and up, the government should have taken steps to correct it. And it seems that is exactly what happened.

If the Minister of Health had conflicting information than what the healthcare provider was saying, the governemt needs to step in on behalf of the citizen.

Sorry, the fact that I said the Governmet was preventing her re entry was not 100% correct, it really changes nothing in the greater picture of the atrocity done to this family and this citizen. My title is not misleading, she WAS denied re entry. My narrative was incorrect.

As for my credibility, I need no advice from you or anyone else, thank you very much. My credibility is what it is. I occasionally make a mistake, when it is pointed out, I own up to it.  Which speak volumes to my credibility, that I admit my errors publically. Can you say the same? Have you ever " stood corrected " on a subject ?  In this case I think you have over reacted and overdisected one small part of the greater picture. The story is still appaling, the people involved have suffered, and it was an over reaction to the swine flu hype. Funny, that less than 48 hours after this became a news story, ICU beds mysteriously opened up at the urging of MPs who were petitioned by their constituents and media coverage.

If you looked at the story, and thought of your own sister, mother, friend or whatever, instead of looking for the misstep in my post, you just might have had a little sympathy for a family that could very well be yours someday.

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RE: Swine Flu:Canadian Woman refused re entry - 4/29/2009 6:13:10 PM   
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"The family of a Canadian woman who fell critically ill due to a severe asthma attack in Mexico says that health officials in Canada are refusing her a hospital bed in Toronto because of unfounded swine flu fears. "


http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20090426/victoria_mexico_090426/20090426?hub=Canada

This is the most frightening thing I have read regarding the Swine Flu. I am scheduled to leave for Playa del Carmen, Mexico in three weeks. Until I read this I had no plans on canceling unless the government prevented it. Now, I am considering canceling. The idea of being denied re entry into my own country  is unimaginable to me. My heart breaks for this family who may not get to say goodbye to their loved one who will die on foriegn soil, unless the Canadian Government takes a humane approach to a dying citizen.
I am not Canadian, but I can see reaction like this becoming more the norm, than a fluke. The over reaction and " sky is falling "attitude regarding this crisis is frightening. It's the flipping flu, for God's sake.
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What's equally frightening is....dying of something that was preventable.

Be thankful.

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