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On you knees! - 4/9/2009 4:05:25 PM   
dominika


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Status: offline 		Hello all. I want to ask your feeling about kneeling on the knees. What is the significance of one being on their knees, even in prayer?

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RE: On you knees! - 4/9/2009 4:10:01 PM   
wordstoponder


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Status: offline 		For me, I find it to be very peaceful when I am on my knees, especially in front of Master.  For some reason, it makes me feel more grounded, and it also makes me feel close to Him.  I enjoy being on my knees, but sometimes I forget how painful it is to get up again!  This is an interesting topic that Master and I often wonder about. 

Why do Asian societies have a tradition of kneeling, and what does it mean to them?

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RE: On you knees! - 4/9/2009 4:20:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		Kneeling is just fine as is sitting cross legged provided you joints aren't screwed or have bad legs, then a cushion is excellent.. 

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RE: On you knees! - 4/9/2009 4:49:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		When I sneak into Catholic churches for prayers for friends and family (I am paganistic) I do kneel. Any other time, its a pain the in knee literally (no cushions at Protestant churches).

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RE: On you knees! - 4/9/2009 4:55:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		In religion, kneeling is a sign of reverence and penance.

My reasons for kneeling for Master is basically the same plus it shows that his status is higher than mine and because he likes it.

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RE: On you knees! - 4/9/2009 5:27:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		Jews don't kneel in prayer. Maybe one of the reasons that it doesn't hold much symbolism for me and is just a pain to do.

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RE: On you knees! - 4/9/2009 5:36:19 PM   
kallisto


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Status: offline 		For me, it's an outward (physical) symbol/gesture of ultimate submission and surrender to my Dom.

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RE: On you knees! - 4/9/2009 5:50:42 PM   
IronBear


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Status: offline 		I kneel in my services and rites as a show of respect to those whom I worship. Just good manners really.

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RE: On you knees! - 4/9/2009 5:51:12 PM   
VampiresLair


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Status: offline 		Fox enjoys kneeling for me, becasue it puts him that much lower and in a more vulnerable position. Neither of us kneel to pray, we both stand. For him, the only connotation of the kneeling is his service to me. 

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RE: On you knees! - 4/9/2009 5:59:51 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: IronBear

I kneel in my services and rites as a show of respect to those whom I worship. Just good manners really.

But...it's not bad manners in other religions.

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RE: On you knees! - 4/9/2009 6:16:45 PM   
Leanne1954


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Status: offline 		Yes,Kneeling and looking up at Master is the ultimate. You are showing him respect and worship to him.Its a very submissive posture......Leanne

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RE: On you knees! - 4/9/2009 6:19:16 PM   
Andalusite


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Status: offline 		I don't feel that kneeling to pray or for practical reasons has any connection to D/s. For that matter, I frequently kneel even if I'm just bottoming in a S/M or bondage scene without any D/s power exchange. It certainly can be an expression of submission, but it doesn't need to be.

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RE: On you knees! - 4/9/2009 7:05:53 PM   
maykasumi


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Status: offline 		in Asian culture,
kneeling means humble , submission, accepting any demands from a master.
kneeling means dropping the ownership of oneself, both body and soul. 

< Message edited by maykasumi -- 4/9/2009 7:13:41 PM >

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RE: On you knees! - 4/9/2009 7:12:14 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: thornhappy

quote:

ORIGINAL: IronBear

I kneel in my services and rites as a show of respect to those whom I worship. Just good manners really.

But...it's not bad manners in other religions.



Such things should, by the careful and well mannered person, be enquired about along with all things which are considered not the done thing in that religion. Unless it is a no kneeling situation, then I would personally kneel at the appropriate places or make some form of acknowledgement of the reverence held by that faith. My point is that for me when visiting a Christian Church I kneel, not because it is expected but as a matter of respect to the Christian deities as I do for my own. I will kneel at the appropriate times when in the presence of British Royalist because I am a servant of the Crown. That too is good manners as well as correct protocol (At the appropriate times). Similarly I may bow my head, take my hat off or is in uniform, salute. Costs me nothing to follow protocol or exhibit good manners.


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RE: On you knees! - 4/9/2009 7:12:33 PM   
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ORIGINAL: kallisto

For me, it's an outward (physical) symbol/gesture of ultimate submission and surrender to my Dom.


What she said.

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RE: On you knees! - 4/9/2009 7:16:51 PM   
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ORIGINAL: maykasumi

in Asian culture,
kneeling means humble , submission, accepting any demands from a master.

Pardon me?  According to your profile, you're a 19-year-old from "Peking."  One of the major political protests that took place in your lifetime was done with guijian, which I suppose could be translated as "kneeling to show deference to position, but still saying there's a problem here and we have to talk."   I could understand an American being unaware of this, but is this really something you have never heard of?


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RE: On you knees! - 4/9/2009 7:17:49 PM   
akisha


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Status: offline 		what kneeling means to me is that if I'm in that position for more then 5 minutes I won't be walking for a couple days.

Both my knees were damaged in different accidents. Popped one out the back of my leg playing basketball and my horse fell on the other one.

Master has decided kneeling is not a good thing for me *S*

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RE: On you knees! - 4/9/2009 7:26:27 PM   
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RE: On you knees! - 4/9/2009 10:01:12 PM   
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I tried kneeling on my head once.

I just kept falling over.

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RE: On you knees! - 4/9/2009 10:59:50 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: IronBear

I kneel in my services and rites as a show of respect to those whom I worship. Just good manners really.


And good manners are very important! Kneeling brings me to a very special place and i have done it all my life only for one man, whom i consequently married.

When somebody is kneeling before me and it is the seldom case of a gracefully kneeling man, i feel honored.

Religiously, coming from a german prostetant background in which kneeling is not happening, i have no personal experience. In buddism you can sit, you do not have to kneel.

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