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RE: Dubai wakeup call? - 4/22/2009 2:35:12 PM   
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Why do people go to Vegas?

The thrill of taking a chance?  The sheer pleasure of betting away their children's college funds?

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RE: Dubai wakeup call? - 4/22/2009 2:44:16 PM   
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To see a second rate magic act?

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RE: Dubai wakeup call? - 4/22/2009 2:48:23 PM   
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I would go to see Sigfried feed himself to a tiger!!!!!!!

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RE: Dubai wakeup call? - 4/22/2009 2:52:19 PM   
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I was a bit disappointed this didn’t end up more gruesome especially considering the haircuts involved and the soundtrack.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btuxO-C2IzE

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RE: Dubai wakeup call? - 4/22/2009 2:59:59 PM   
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That is an awesome video.

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RE: Dubai wakeup call? - 4/22/2009 4:06:00 PM   
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Why do people go to Vegas?

The thrill of taking a chance?  The sheer pleasure of betting away their children's college funds?


In short, people go to Vegas for pure bollocks. It's not even pwetty  . Plastic city with cartoon people and money the colour of blood.

Nuke it.

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RE: Dubai wakeup call? - 4/22/2009 6:00:11 PM   
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Nuke it.

Weren't you the one complaining about us speaking of doing violence to someone in another thread?  I like this side of you...... What am I saying?  All sides of you are pretty damned nice.

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RE: Dubai wakeup call? - 4/22/2009 6:04:34 PM   
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Why do people go to Vegas?

The thrill of taking a chance?  The sheer pleasure of betting away their children's college funds?


In short, people go to Vegas for pure bollocks. It's not even pwetty  . Plastic city with cartoon people and money the colour of blood.

Nuke it.


Kittin have you ever been to Las Vegas?



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RE: Dubai wakeup call? - 4/22/2009 6:06:26 PM   
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RE: Dubai wakeup call? - 4/24/2009 12:27:22 AM   
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Hello; Why do people go to Vegas? Good question; and really; ...I can't see the attraction. THe Shows are costly, very costly. The rooms in one of the Mega Resorts, costly.....the Buffets; well, there you can eat if you are a glutton, or adore mainly cafeteria food. The nightclubs, costly, very costly. The legalized prostitution outside of clark county, very costly and you get to do it ramble shack mobilehomes stitched together. Now, the people working there are at min wage, yes even in the mega resorts, okay, some get a fair wage, but nothing to write home about. Don't have an adversary encounter with the police...they are (or have to be) the best in the world next to Calif.

Okay, the nude strippers in the off strip joints, are independant vendors, having their own contractors license, the house takes 40% of what they earn, the wardrobe mistress gets 50 bucks per night from each stripper. These stripper/dancers do NOT get a salary nor are they hourly. However, a good hustler can earn 1000 bucks a night, but not every night.

In the old days, when the 'mob' ruled Vegas, it was an age of glamour. Sinatra, Deano, Sammy, Lola Falana, Tony Benett and a host of other stars was the big attraction...when Elvis hit town, OMG, mayhem...Liberace was a standard, and constantly sold out, prehaps the greatest showman in the world. The record groups were a big attraction, Diana Ross, The Rightous Bros, etc....all brought in the people, it was a glorious time for one and all in vegas...and you won some, lost some, and when you lost, you had a big smile on your face, but broke ass as could me; and you went home telling everyone the great time you had, and you strat saving and planning your next trip.

Now....are you sitting down for this? The Mob was run out, left, arrested, died, just run out by the Banks and the Corporations. The Hotel/Casinos taken over. The headliner entertainers for the most part died of old age; the ones remaining are in their late 70's or early 80's. What replaced then...no one of any value, Sigfried & Roy were a mainstay and the most expensive show on the strip, then Roy got himself mauled by his tiger. No more show. They were lovers, Sigfried & Roy, they lived a most opulent lifestyle, even being invited to the 90th birthday of Leni Rosestelstaffen (I don't know how to spell her last name) she, being the Hitlers chief propaganda cinemagraher for the Nazis.

Now, the Arabs are the power behind the throne, funding the Mega Casinos...but something has gone awry.....and the construction sites which were all a thitther with activity is closed down.

Houses were, before the meltdown, so very expensive and virtually unafforable, now the boom is over, the foeclosure are mind boggling, and yet, the decrease still costs about the same as a normal Calif House...don't forget, there is not nearly a job market as in CA.

The high rise apartments start at nearly 400,000 (not a lot of sq. ft either, about 1400 maybe a little more). THey are mainly empty, and I know some people who bought, had to be in the trend, complain about the pimps and their working girls.

Now, the architecture...one housing development boasts...the cutting edge of architecture design.....THEY are BOXES, I mean BOXES, no window treatments, no facade, flat roof, no slanted or tiled roof,.....imagine a stucco Box.

Now, they are building a Mall type Casino thingie, mega billions, which the buildings slant and bend and twist....construction stopped, no more Arab money. Another building is warped and appears to be falling down; this is daring.......the guy on the street just looks in awe and silence.

Trump Tower is just a tall rectangular box, with gold colored glass and a very large 'TRUMP' aross the roofline. off Industrial road, (the shanty, industrial section); Wynn Towers (Two) are back to back, curved and look like two giant bookends.

If any of you have the opportunity to visit Europe...Please do France, there you will marvel at real architecture, to see and touch what you only see in books...it is really something to behold. To regale your eyes on France, even the farm houses, you will be in awe. The Louve, the art, no digital copies on the walls like in Vegas.

Behind the tinsel of Vegas, you find the Tinsel of Vegas...nothing real all an illusion, to...separate you from your money.

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RE: Dubai wakeup call? - 4/24/2009 8:05:04 AM   
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I would rather deal with "the mob" than the internationalists of today. Treat them with a little respect and don't rip them off and you will get alon g just fine, but not today.

Interestingly I knew Paul Bruno, who had a promising carreer in the works but he made a mistake. He started falling for one of the CEO's (Sinatra's) Women. He didn't get far enough to get himself killed, but he was out of a job and pretty much blacklisted.

He could've done well though IMO, I have some of his material and for the hell of it I think I will rip it one day and put it on P2P with Sinatra as a "hook" (like a keyword). If Paulie could've kept his fingers out of the cookie jar he may have went far.

Of course there is a dirty side to every place in the world almost. The lucky few really make it. Go to Dubai, or Vegas, it is best to take alot of money. In fact going anywhere in the world you can seek a pot of gold but only find dust.

For example the kids who moved out, were free in CA, possibly moved a long way, some not so long, and some because life at home was so bad, well Charles Manson had a place for them. Girls move from Minnesota and wherever to the big city and wind up to be crack whores. That was not their intention, but lack of money and big promises from pimps get them started. Of course some of them dislike what they are doing so much that they have to live their lives high, and so it goes.

Maybe the point is that looking for that pot of gold is not all it's cracked up to be. For example not one person who went to Dubai expected to live in poverty, to such a degree that they cannot afford to leave.

My Father had a saying, and because I know there are exceptions I can't fully agree, but I think it used to largely true - "If you can't make it in your home town, you can't make it anywhere". This may have been true, here, at one time. But I think now the exceptions outweigh the (can't find the word right now). Indeed, you can't just get off the bus with nothing and expect things to fall in your lap.

And to get back to Dubai, I wouldn't touch it with a million mile pole. It is damn hard enough to deal with our law here, let alone a bunch of despotic relisious half crazoids who are friends with the worst crazoids in our government. Thanks but no thanks.

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RE: Dubai wakeup call? - 4/24/2009 8:45:32 AM   
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Seems to me they are just early. Maybe none of us here are young enough to live long enough to see it but this is the future of the world. Dubai is just an early microcosm of that future.

Who do you think does most of the services and work for the Saudis ? Palestinians. I am thinking 100's of thousands that will never immigrate back to Palestine...because they too are economic captives.

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RE: Dubai wakeup call? - 4/24/2009 6:06:51 PM   
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For some reason..I never had high opinion of Dubai, however I don't know one thing about the place but after reading this...
and if this's true then it's quite a wakeup call, at least for me.

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/johann-hari/the-dark-side-of-dubai-1664368.html



Dubai has more money than God....you're surprised that when excess funds follow large populations....that people will do decadent things?

Get a clue.

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RE: Dubai wakeup call? - 4/25/2009 8:32:50 AM   
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Hello Termy, If you have a chance, see the movie 'CASINO' that is about as close to the real workings of Las Vegas. When the so called 'Mob' ruled in Vegas, everyone who wanted to work, had work, no need to worry, keep yourself clean and you worked. Women could walk through a dark parking lot carring a bucket of quarters and not worry about being mugged...so I was told repeatedly by the old timers. Then the Banks and corporations came in, niow you are in danger in your own home.
Desparate people come to where they believe the money is...most just want a job, so they can live a decent life. Most are not asking for nor expecting to make the millions in 'bonus' money the executives think and believe they have a right to.
Dubai, the Arabs, the government corporate elite give not one thought to anyone making a living. The more broke and desparate they can make you, the better it is for them. Indoor covered snow ski resort in the desert in Dubai....that is how the ultra rich live...and can you actually believe that while cavorting with the beautiful blonde white bimbos as they cruise down the slopes, they are thinking of the poor souls sleeping in their cars, or in a make shift homeless tent in No. Las Vegas, no room for them in the shelter. Everywhere, there is a homeless derilict begging money, okay, some are exploiting that human wasteland. Can anyone actually believe Bush et al actually cares about the dignity of the common people, the Arabs are actually thinking of how they can better human kind with their vast resources? Just look at the recent events, the meltdown of the world economic system, the Iraq WAR - for democracy and human rights - not for the wealth of resourses of Iraq, the oil.
If anyone still believes it is all for human dignity they have got to be one compete simpleton.
The Arabs in Dubai have free health care.....who do you think is paying for that.....where is the 'free heathcare money' coming from. Just think, when you gas up; 30 bucks for you, how many other cars, trucks, gas up in an hour, a day, a week, a month, at that ONE service station, now figure how many such stations in one city, in one state, multiply that by the world, and the amount of money we are talking is staggering to the human mind.
And we have money to fund the Covered air-conditioned ski resort for the Arabs, their free healthcare etc;, and we cannot provide anything in social services to the American people; but a Trillon Dollar WAR, the rebuilding, of another country, funding GM, et al, ( by the way, GM invested a Billion or so in revamping their manufacturing...in Brazil); the Billions in bailouts to the ultra rich failures....all that is A-Okay. People here on this network, defend the Bush, and slam Obama, the guy who inherited the Bush epoch, for the very least of even attemping to keep the American illusion dream alive. You have got to give the people hope...that is all they will ever have.
Oliver Stone premeired his new movie 'W' in Dubai.
Dubai IS the capitol of the world....Macau is the entertainment capitol of the world. THere is nothing you can do about it....except continue being exploited and paying....that is God's Laws.

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RE: Dubai wakeup call? - 4/25/2009 8:39:20 AM   
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I had fun in Vegas during the late 70's and early 80's. It is unfortunate that the reason I was there was because my exhusband was doing business with some scary people. I did get to experience some amazing times though.

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RE: Dubai wakeup call? - 4/25/2009 9:54:44 AM   
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ienigma, I have slipped through the cracks. I am not all that exploited. The main taxes I pay are on alcohol and cigarettes. I have no need for a pot of gold, nor do I want to have to watch over same. This is what you can do about it. Just stop.

Other than that I pretty much agree completely. And Man's inhumanity to Man is practically universal. Extant conditions lead me to remember an episode of scifi I watched many years ago ( I used to love scifi ) in which aliens came to this planet and were encouraging us to adopt a set of laws etc., otherwise we would not be welcome "out there". True it was fiction, but I can easily see the rationale for it.

For the most part, the human race is like a child. Watch the cruelty as they interact in a schoolyard with all the bigotry and bullying and whatever else. And when it comes to space travel we are akin to a seven year old who thinks he can drive a car. I really think that if we developed our space travel capabilities to the point where we could go meet ETs, we would not be all that well recieved. Additionally I think it could be a reason why they rarely, if ever visit us. If you ever thought a certain race or ethnics group was xenophobic, take a look at the whole human race. We are not ready.

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RE: Dubai wakeup call? - 4/25/2009 3:17:13 PM   
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For some reason..I never had high opinion of Dubai, however I don't know one thing about the place but after reading this...
and if this's true then it's quite a wakeup call, at least for me.

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/johann-hari/the-dark-side-of-dubai-1664368.html



Dubai has more money than God....you're surprised that when excess funds follow large populations....that people will do decadent things?

Get a clue.



The way I heard it, the money from oil is all spoken for, so what else was Dubayy to do, I know, attract business. Dubay has the world's largest free port, Jebel Ali, many big names are in there.What the Dubayy Emirate has done, has hedged it's bets, the oil was not going to last forever, so create a something to attract the world. To me what they have done, is thought ahead, thought beyond the oil to a sustainable future. They have gone from an oil rich area to an advanced business hub, as long as there is business they have a future.

Dubayy is a hub, many of the poor from the east go there to improve their lot, they might have deplorable living conditions by a western standard, but it is better than what they would have where they came from, they have in that city the ability to improve themselves. To the west, the business world, that city provides many things that are attractive. My thoughts, good luck to Dubayy, it's Nationals, it's immigrants and all the others that call Dubayy home.

Anyone that has not been there, go there and see for yourself, look beyond the tourism and see what there is there. I always judge a city by it's inhabitants, if they come across as friendly, kind and courteous, then I know that city is doing ok, they must be doing something right, for if the inhabitants are miserable, then you know you are in a bad place.

The only thing that I feel is of concern, is the clash of cultures, the liberal west and it's easy free attitudes, and the fact that the United, Arab Emirates, formerly Oman trucial states is an Islamic country subject to Islamic law and practices. Dubayy is in the world of Islam, the most tolerant of places, but a point must come where a line must be drawn, so guests in that country would do well to observe and comply with what customs and public decencies reign. Perhaps even Dubayy could be an example to all, both the world of Islam and the western world that we can all get on together, by just being honest, decent and understanding of each other. The more we understand them, and the more they understand us, the better relations will become.

Just to note, Dubayy is an Emirate, one of seven, Abu Dhabi is the largest Emirate, containing the capitol city, Dubay  is a seperate Emirate, the capitol being Dubayy.If you wish to see U.A.E Islam, go down the coast some few miles, ten I think, the Emirate and city of Sharjah is changing from what it was to more Islamic, still a friendly place, but vastly different from Dubayy.


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RE: Dubai wakeup call? - 4/25/2009 11:54:16 PM   
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Hello LaTigresse, Yes, like I said, in 'the Old Days, the day the 'Mob' ruled'...a normal person could have fun, see a couple of shows, they were decently priced then, you won actual 'Silver Dollars'... great to bring home 20 or so...even if it cost you 200 bucks in pumping the slot handle.

Now, I had some friends in recently from Germany, and they were all aglow, wanted to 'Gamble' (play the slots), so casually I told them if you want to win a good amount always bet Max coins. I turned away to get my cocktail, and they were pumping, hitting those buttons, WHOA, WHOA, NO NO, I told them, they dropped something like 300 bucks ....in less than a minute. Not even a trickle did they get. Quarter, Nickle slots I told them.....geezus.

Well, they stayed awhile, and we got together later, boy were they pissed...complained how much they spent, (they took the Limo to the Whore houses, er, trailers, in the other county....they were very disappointed to say the least. Now, their final impression of Las Vegas...."Last time, WE will NEVER come back, you have to pay everywhere, everyone has their hand out.".....this is not just these 'stingy' Germans, but I've heard the same sentiments from others upon leaving.

The times you remember are gone forever......MONEY and GREED rule.
The Arabs own Vegas. However, they seem to have pulled back on the construction money....now the sites are closed. Couldn't happen to a nicer city.

I guess they know the oil will run out soon, so they are hedging their 'Bets.' LOL, LOL......oil is running out....LOL,LOL,hedging their Bets...LOL, LOL, now they're business people in a hub.....LOL, LOL, oil running out, so now they are learning the Wall Greed Street.....oil running out, LOL,LOL,LOL,

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RE: Dubai wakeup call? - 4/26/2009 12:40:07 AM   
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Hi Termyn8or; I agree,.... the schoolyard is a hell for some; mine was. but space exploitation - stopped many years ago....now our focus is upon 'farming'...yes farming...harvesting the human race and ALL the planet's resources. If they knew for a certainty, that there was oil on Mars, or Venus...The US would have the greatest space program ever, possibly funded by the Arabs, who are funded by the world's working guy, wanting to go to work. to feed his family and live a decent life; Social Sercurity could even be diverted to pay for the benefits of Space Exploration which will provide for a healthy future for our children...... Come'on....those baby bloomers had their day, their old, they are dying anyhow....what do they need Social Security, Medicare for, ...and if any other country trys to beat us there...we'll just bomb the shit out of them, because we know they would be using their Space program to get the oil to attack our homes, and kill our children as they slept in their beds; destroy our democratic way of life.

If there were other beings out there, we'll just Take their planet, after all, since they had all this oil, then why didn't they share it with us.....oh NO, they are keeping it for themselves so they can wage WAR, yes, WAR against us....because the oil they have is being used for building Weapons of Inter-galatic Mega Destuction.

Yup, it all makes sense now. The Arabs are running out of oil (er...like there are not other oil fields elsewhere in the world)....so we NEED Space Exploration; we will build space ships like in...er, Event Horizon, or Space 1999, or we'll build a star cruiser, and call it 'VEGER'; and we'll culivate space, like in Silent Running. The Arabs are running out of oil, so we have to do, whatever it costs to secure the future for our children.

Okay, Docs to see: Standard Operating Procedure.....Taxi to the Dark Side. Get the popcorn ready and enjoy youself.

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RE: Dubai wakeup call? - 4/27/2009 7:11:49 AM   
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LOL I don't think it's Michael Jackson's favorite I mean..he's almost bankrupt isn't he..he'll just end up in the jail in dubai unfortunately

Yea, I think he's down to his last couple hundred million.

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