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subtlebutterfly -> Dubai wakeup call? (4/7/2009 11:48:18 AM)

For some reason..I never had high opinion of Dubai, however I don't know one thing about the place but after reading this...
and if this's true then it's quite a wakeup call, at least for me.[&:]

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/johann-hari/the-dark-side-of-dubai-1664368.html




LaTigresse -> RE: Dubai wakeup call? (4/7/2009 11:56:32 AM)

And now we know why Michael Jackson loves it so much!

Not a place I've ever had an interest in visiting.




subtlebutterfly -> RE: Dubai wakeup call? (4/7/2009 11:58:13 AM)

LOL I don't think it's Michael Jackson's favorite I mean..he's almost bankrupt isn't he..he'll just end up in the jail in dubai unfortunately[;)]




hlen5 -> RE: Dubai wakeup call? (4/7/2009 12:28:36 PM)

Sixty Minutes did a piece on the Prince/Shiekh who is in charge. I remember the guest workers being mentioned. I don't think the investigators were all that effective if the article you posted here is true.




kittinSol -> RE: Dubai wakeup call? (4/7/2009 12:34:23 PM)

It's surprising that you should be surprised by this article. These things have been known for years, unfortunately.




MsFlutter -> RE: Dubai wakeup call? (4/7/2009 12:45:02 PM)

Interesting ! I will have to read that article in several visits - it does go on a bit.
 
Here's an article from a Canadian newspaper website http://www.thestar.com/news/insight/article/613885




Vendaval -> RE: Dubai wakeup call? (4/7/2009 12:48:07 PM)

Fast Reply -
 
Any city with that level of wealth on display inevitably has a large population of "invisible" workers who live as indentured servants or contract wage slaves.




subtlebutterfly -> RE: Dubai wakeup call? (4/7/2009 12:51:45 PM)

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

It's surprising that you should be surprised by this article. These things have been known for years, unfortunately.

Is it now? Not all of us are as well read/life experienced as you are I suppose.[;)]
I have honestly never taken any special interest in Dubai, I find most other places more fascinating..Dubai has always been far down on my list but it's still shocking.[8|]




kittinSol -> RE: Dubai wakeup call? (4/7/2009 1:00:10 PM)

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ORIGINAL: subtlebutterfly

Is it now? Not all of us are as well read/life experienced as you are I suppose.[;)]
I have honestly never taken any special interest in Dubai, I find most other places more fascinating..Dubai has always been far down on my list but it's still shocking.[8|]



All it takes is picking up a serious newspaper every once in a while (say, once or twice a week): this should ensure you remain 'au fait' with current affairs. The Independent, which you linked the article to, is an excellent source of news. Keep up the good work [8|] .




maybemaybenot -> RE: Dubai wakeup call? (4/7/2009 1:02:36 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: subtlebutterfly

For some reason..I never had high opinion of Dubai, however I don't know one thing about the place but after reading this...
and if this's true then it's quite a wakeup call, at least for me.[&:]

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/johann-hari/the-dark-side-of-dubai-1664368.html



I can attest to the part of this article that speaks to foriegn " workers" aka slaves. That is the absolute norm throughout the entire Middle East, not just Dubai. Anti slavery groups in the US and UK have been trying to bring this to the forefront for years, but few have been listening.
About twenty years ago, I was doing pediatric home care and had a client who was from Kuwait. The couple had a " maid"  who there mother sent to them from Kuwait. She was one of these " foriegn workers" they refer to. She was severely mistreated in Kuwait by the mother and jumped at the chance to leave and work for the son. Keep in mind these workers are under contract and the penalty for trying to escape or go home is beyond what you and I can imagine. So this woman comes to the US and her passport was taken immediately, by the son and her nightmare began. It's a very long story, but she was beaten, fed one cup of tea and one slice of Pita bread a day, made to sleep on the floor and work a 16 hour day. Not allowed to speak to we nurses, not allowed to write home, not paid  and denied medical and dental care after they made her clean with bleach and amonia mixed together, which resulted in her passing out, breaking her ribs and two teeth, plus she had an abcessed tooth from malnutrition, she ceased menstruating at the age of 24 and was near death when we came into the home. We nurses were told, that if anything happened to the child who had severe birth defects, the maid would be killed. It wasn't a joke, it was repeated over and over to us : "< name of child > dies and she dies. A life for a life " Myself and one other nurse helped her " escape" with the help of the police, a Boston attorney and a immigrant worker group.
Eventually the couple was brought to trial for involuntary servitude, Federally charged, found guilty and sentenced to one year in prison. Less than the mandatory sentence. I was a wittness in the trial. Well, to this day I am on a list in Kuwit and it's allied countries. If I ever enter these countries I will be arrested and tried for God knows what. The DOJ keeps me updated on things, since I am a wanted woman in the Middle East.

This girl, now a woman and one of my best friends, told me that she was in Kuwait, working as a house maid, when the Kuwaiti War broke out. She said as soon as they Kuwaitis heard they were being invaded they began preparation to flee to Saudi. One of those preparations was to hand all the foriegn workers their passport and send them into the streets to fen for themselves. She said it was pandimonium with foriegners running the streets, not speaking the language and trying to find a safe place. My friend was lucky, a kind Kuwaiti family picked her up, put her in a Birka and smuggled her into Saudi with the family. Upon arrival, she was sent to a refugee camp to await deportation home. Her best friend was not so fortunate. Never another word was heard from her, and she is assumed dead. Mt friend saiys not all are like that but a huge majority. Getting a kind  family to work for is rare. The problem is it is an agency in their own country < that they pay a large fee to> that makes the arrangements, they are told by the agency a wonderful fairy tail which becomes a nightmare. The agencies are aware of what they are sending their own people to, but they are making alot of money, and don't care. The workers are generally living in severe poverty and hope springs eternal that they will get a good family. Or they have no choice, their own parents make them go.

It was when this girl came to live with me after we helped her escape, I learned from her, the atrocities that take place there, hence my involvement with anti slavery groups, which has lead me to meet more and more young woman and men who are here in the US after being enslaved by their Middle Eastern captors.

If you want to know some of the horror stories simply Google:  "Sri Lankan worker Middle East", and change Sri Lankan to Filipino and Indian for furthercases of abuse.

                                              mbmbn

                                                              




subtlebutterfly -> RE: Dubai wakeup call? (4/7/2009 1:11:42 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: kittinSol

All it takes is picking up a serious newspaper every once in a while (say, once or twice a week): this should ensure you remain 'au fait' with current affairs. The Independent, which you linked the article to, is an excellent source of news. Keep up the good work [8|] .


There's not a lot of discussion about Dubai where I'm from.... I did read every single word printed on the magazine last summer and I swear they didn't mention Dubai once[&:]
However I prefer gossip magazines..I mean you know...22 yo's like what can you expect from them




IvyMorgan -> RE: Dubai wakeup call? (4/7/2009 1:19:02 PM)

This is not new.

I went to UAE/Dubai 4 (3?) years ago, and it was obvious then, before all the newest building work went up.

Talking to people who work out there (or have worked out there) it's great until it isn't any more.  And the "treat the workers like shit" attitude catches on fairly quick.

It's not a unique story to Dubai though.




kittinSol -> RE: Dubai wakeup call? (4/7/2009 1:36:54 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: subtlebutterfly
However I prefer gossip magazines..I mean you know...22 yo's like what can you expect from them


More. Way more.




subtlebutterfly -> RE: Dubai wakeup call? (4/7/2009 2:02:49 PM)

ouch[:)]




Aneirin -> RE: Dubai wakeup call? (4/7/2009 7:03:56 PM)

I have lived in Dubai, and have seen the places the immigrant workers live, it is certainly not those magnificent and daring buildings everyone marvels at, but as another said, it is the same everywhere. Take any city that prospers and offers an attraction to the wealthy, who is it that keeps everything moving, nought but the low paid workers who often work hard and receive more money despite the conditions than they would  in their homeland. These people work damn hard, perhaps so hard given the conditions, that it would put many westerners to shame. But what is the alternative for the poorer countries, try and scratch out a living which is little more than basic survival in an over populated  poor country with nothing to offer the foreigner's wealth, or go and work beneath the shining lights of places like Dubai and earn more than they could otherwise think of and send that money home to their family, or even attempt to rise from the gutter themselves by working hard in a place were they can get a job and improve their prospects.

Once in Dubai, I went to the fish suq, as we fancied fish, lovely fresh red snapper and a hefty bag of king prawns from the mornings catch and at a silly price too, almost a throw away price. Anyways, in the suq there in the centre was the fish cleaners, independant trades people who for a few dirhams would gut and clean the fish, shell the prawns and make everything ready to use. There he sat cross legged, a Bangladeshi, sitting there with the tools of his trade, the razor sharp fish cleaning knives between the toes of his feet, the toes making a superb if bizarre knife rack. Well, he got to work and in super fast time, he had expertly cleaned the fish, he spoke pretty good English, a language he had picked up through his employment, he asked us, if we wanted the heads leaving on, to which we replied no, so he removed the heads and put them in a basket at his side, but the entrails and stuff went down a hole in the ground, the hole being a hygenic way of diposing of waste, the Dubai new fish suq had machinery in place to ensure hygene and believe me, they are shit hot on hygiene in Dubai. Ok, so noticing this basket, we asked him why the heads had not gone down the sluice, at that point he looked all apologetic and said he would put them down the hole if we wanted that, we enquired further and it was that he kept the heads as a perk of the job, that, is what he ate, fish heads and other salvageable fish parts. Fancy that, fish heads for dinner, now that is scratching the bottom of the barrel. I asked him where he was from, and he said Bangladesh, where he had a family with five dependants, whom he saw once a year, when he could afford to travel home to see his family and that was not flying, but paying a passage on one of the rickety old sambuks that trade around the region, many are lost with no one to know, out there, it is a cruel world. Did he like his job, he loved it, he was on big money in Dubai, more than he could think to earn in his homeland, the more money he had, the bigger family he could have, and family is wealth. So, this guy, who sat cross legged, his calloused and cracked feet clutching razor sharp blades got approximately UK  £0.04 per customer and had the perk of fish heads to eat, and he believed he was wealthy by comparison to most in his homeland, just shows what a rich life we lead, all of us, are we right to condemn the places like Dubai when to the poorer parts of the world, Dubai is a labour heaven and a means to escape extreme poverty, where the option to working in Dubay is possible starvation ?

But as far as the UAE nationals are concerned, all I have to say, is what a gracious , friendly  and hospitable people they are, all of them, even the ones far away from the bright lights, the ak47 toting camel farmers out in the desert. Oh, there is nothing like warm frothy milk complete with hairs served in not so clean glasses straight from the camel. In fact I can honestly say, I never came across anyone who differed from the gracious, friendly national whilst I was out there. The rule is simple, treat others how you would be like to be treated yourself and everything will be rosy. Being a guest in anothers country, it always helps to abide by that country's code of conduct and customs, doing that, is showing respect, and you will be thanked for it, abuse their standards, then the abusers will only mess it up for future travellers And there we always see what happens to westerners who mess up, something which taints oppinion  to a country never seen.




ienigma777 -> RE: Dubai wakeup call? (4/21/2009 10:43:28 AM)

Hello All; Having never been to 'Do-Buy'; from these readings anf the article...you do not even have to travel to Dibai...try Las Vegas. Some do well, most are wage slaves, work at the whim of their employers. The Hotel/Casinos...oh my....but nothing to compare to Macau, or Dubai. Traveling on Las Vegas Blvd, in North Las Vegas, on either side of the street, camped on the sidewalks are makeshift tents and hundreds of the tattered 'Street People'. Most everywhere you go you are bound to meet up with a begger. Now going south you have the majestic Hotel/Casinos.

Ah well;..... when you go to the gas pumps; you can think of Dubai; how you are funding the Arabs. THe last eight years of the past administration helped these Arabs...one even being made honorary member of the Bush family, thus giving the family the inside track to the Arabs. At the close of the Bush administration, news media showed Saudis being given a tour of and being educated in WAll 'GREED' Street operations. Didn't something happen to Greed Street wherein our saviour president Bush had to bail out some guys????

If you remember Kuwait, Bush the elder sent in American soldier's to do battle while the princes and sheiks went to Geneva to continue to trip the life fantastic.

To see Dubai, one should do a search for the images. Then you must realize, every civilization was built on the sweat, blood and labours of the slaves that serve that civilizations.

Want even more....years back, I knew people, in California, who held full time jobs with the Phone Company and were collecting Food Stamps.....NO they weren't cheating; their wages were so low, that they qualified for the program. Not all, but quite afew.

The US has a Mexican problem, and...well just see; the movie 'Fast Food Nation'. THe Mexicans are exploited by SOME employers.....they don't have to take away passports; hell, they never have one to take.

Free Health Care in Bubai for the Arabs.....funny, we the US can poor trillions into Dubai and other Arab states.....start a war with Iraq, costing Trillions, We had money for that...but nothing for a unversal health care program for any of the US citizens.

Nothing happens without money.




Termyn8or -> RE: Dubai wakeup call? (4/21/2009 2:47:28 PM)

FR

"with the enthusiastic support of the British – snuffed them out. "

The rebels were snufffed out by British statesmen ? I think not, more likely they used soldiers. In other words the class wars go on, it is simply more visible in some places than others. I, for a change did actually read the whole article. Things might be a bit worse there, for sure, but really it is just in more plain sight.

The author seems to be quite impartial actually, but may have not seen everything in the world. He has not been to certain other Arab countries or to a kibbutz in Israel, or to those secret places in Russia where Women seem to disappear. Perhaps he has, but that was not the subject of the article. The fact is that oppression goes on every day.

Even in what is touted erroneously as the freest country in the world, this brings to mind a buddy of mine. He is not ignorant, let's say he is a bit stupid but not being ignorant he can learn. He makes six bucks an hour as a cook at a bar right now. What do you think his chances are of getting a passport and a plane ticket outta here ? I'd say slim and none, and slim seems to have left town. In the meantime I have turned down a job making six times that.

Pity the fools if you care to, really. But it has been a long time since I have stopped chasing that pot of gold, thus it would be quite a hard sell to get me to leave my current environs. All of the people showed up there for one thing - money. Their hope was to get work, hopefully under the table, like the Mexicans do here. Then they want to live thirteen to a room and after enough food and intoxicants, send the rest of their money down to Mamasito in Juarez or whatever. For some there is no pot of gold, and even if there is, there are plenty of bandits.

That article is just more evidence that sometimes those bandits are not wearing a mask in a dark alley. They are wearing a suit and tie sitting behind a big desk in a confortable office. Built by slaves.

T




ienigma777 -> RE: Dubai wakeup call? (4/22/2009 9:12:07 AM)

Hello Termyn8or; Let me tell you what is going on in Las Vegas....a MAJOR hotel/casino partnered with Dubai Partners, and a MEGA Building Boom occurred; the casino CEO sent out a newsletter as usual; therein he BRAGGED about the partnership, the Mega Growth the company is experiencing, in Vegas, Detroit (of all places), Macau, and boasting that with the Dubai Partnership money was no object, the Arabs are willing to spend, cost is not a hinderance to progress..

So, I got the newsletter, read it, and scoffed at this gullible foolishness. You see, I had dealings with Arabs before....and since; not on this scale, mine was penny anti stuff.

Well, the Arabs left the partnership, pulled out, and there the iron stands, the gates are locked, and that is how it's done.

So, years before, in a town in CA, a MEGA residence mall was being built. Arabs funding the site, hundreds of buyer/investors were solicited, (I was called in as a sub-contractor).....I insisted on front money; and to be paid along the way.....my philosphy is...no pay, no work.

The arabs, took the investment money, strung out the vendors into heavy debt, and suddenly, their offices are closed, can't reach the Arabs, 10 years later, that Mall/residence site STILL had one giant hole in the middle of the town. Apparently the Arabs took the investment money and went back to Saudi Arabia. I mean, the escrow accounts, the bank accounts were still there, but no money, no Arabs.....the office was there, as if they went to lunch......the only clue was; no one answered the phone anymore.

A recent dealing ...after I completed the project, then we had to renegoiate the fee.

This notion that Arabs don't care what it costs is pure unadulterated BULLSHIT....yet everyone believes it. Everyone, no matter where.

At the closing of the Bush administration, over the news media, and internet, Wall 'Greed' Street' were shown giving some of the Saudi heads of state tours of Greed Street, being instructed as to the operations, computerizations and how the manipulations work.

I read, in Dubai, the Arabs have had built an enclosed SKI Resort.... snow sking in the desert, imagine that, and the money that took; the tallest building in the world is in Dubai, at a cost of some 800 billion usa dollars ?????? This is an office building mainly. Dubai is slated to be the CENTER of The World, all commerce conducted in the world will be centered and flow through Dubai.

When people come to vegas, they marvel at the mega casino resorts.....wow, and they proceed to eat, drink, gamble, each one thinking and remarking how they will win the Mega Bucks. Well, I have to remind them.....you see all this around you, these MEGA CASINOS.....they didn't get built by letting the people win, .... nothing but nothing would be built if they are giving their money away.

The logic simply escapes them.




kittinSol -> RE: Dubai wakeup call? (4/22/2009 9:20:17 AM)

Why do people go to Vegas?




camille65 -> RE: Dubai wakeup call? (4/22/2009 9:32:10 AM)

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

Why do people go to Vegas?


I adore architecture. Vegas has some really cool buildings and was a lot more fun than I ever would have expected, even though I don't do money gambling. It was really fascinating and at night simply beautiful.

I've also been interested in the architecture and buildings going up in Dubai, been watching that for several years... but then I'm kind of old.

Another interest of mine is how sudden technology or social structures change places on the surface while leaving levels of people behind. I'm just a curious minded sort of person though.




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